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Marama Davidson says that she absolutely opposes any idea of requiring people to be citizens to vote.
Any such move would disproportionately impact Maori
Nobody cares what communists think about NZ’s democratic processes.
Go play in your aoteroaaaaaaaaa Marama.
Mad Marama makes two short planks look like a computer!!
She’s a deluded dunce.
You left out the //// Ed ?
Marama is a frickin idiot. Probably can’t even spell her last name.
Well if she’s convinced of that who are we to disabuse her.
If Maori are not citizens they fraudulently signed a treaty 180 years ago and it should immediately be rescinded and all monies repaid.
Maori weren’t indigenous. They arrived here a little over 600 years ago, and found a plentiful two food supply in the form of multiple races who were a pushover.
But it won’t be Maori that would be disproportionately impacted. It is all the stooges and immigrants that turn up to vote in multiple places for Labour.
Many Maori call for the return of “stolen land.”
If land is to be given back, then it should be given back in the form that it had when it was “stolen.” When I say “form,” I don’t mean physical form. (It would be stupid to destroy infrastructure or improvements made in the years since the land was “stolen.”) What do I mean?
I mean the English legal concept of freehold title.
The Maori can have their “stolen” land released from State ownership, but it will have no title protected by law. Anyone who claims it will have to hold it themselves from other interested parties. If any party moves to take the land, the government will not intervene. Anyone who can take the land by force may do so. If the occupier agrees to pay the same taxes and rates as surrounding titled landowners, then the State will grant then legal title.
Since the pre-European Maori operated on the principle of “might is right,” they should easy understand such an arrangement.
92 to 94 percent of land that Maori owned was sold in willing buyer willing seller transactions. The small amount not sold is either still Maori ownership, purchased under compulsory acquisition for public works or confiscated as punishment for treason and rebellion including the murder of innocent Maori and Europeans alike. Very small amounts had been taken unjustly and I’m okay with redress for that. Quite frankly this stolen land idea is just more communist bullshit. It’s just as much Bullshit as Matariki is. No one had ever heard of Matariki before about 25 years ago. It’s even more recent than Ernie Dingo’s welcome to country ceremony in Australia. That’s a 1970’s invention.
Nobody cares what you think ya quarter caste clack bunt.
Ed. Ya spelt the wiggers name wrong.
Sorry, can’t help myself.
Sloppy editorial. Keeps me awake at night.
While you are having a troubled night, leave ya missus alone too.
At least let her sleep.
🚨BREAKING: Leader of Reform UK Nigel Farage RESIGNS as a Member of British Parliament in order to force a by-election.
Grok explains
**Quick explainer on Farage’s move:**
In the UK, MPs can’t simply resign. They apply for a ceremonial Crown post (like Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds) to vacate the seat and trigger a **by-election** in their constituency.
Farage (Reform UK leader, MP for Clacton since 2024) announced he’ll do exactly that and stand again. He calls it a “people vs the establishment” fight and a chance to “stick two fingers up” to critics while letting Clacton voters judge him.
**The background & accusations:**
– Reports (Sunday Times) say he didn’t properly declare benefits from long-time ally George Cottrell (convicted of US wire fraud): pre-election security, accommodation, drivers & social media staff.
– Separate ongoing Parliamentary Commissioner investigation into a ~£5m gift from donor Christopher Harborne (for security) that may not have been registered correctly.
– Farage denies wrongdoing, says it was personal/not political, calls reports inaccurate and attacks a “hit job” with media harassment of his family.
**His strategy:**
By forcing the by-election now (likely next month), he bypasses or gets ahead of any potential sanctions/suspension from the standards process. He bets on winning a fresh, strong mandate in his safe seat to:
– Reaffirm his leadership
– Rally supporters against the “establishment”
– Continue pushing Reform’s agenda
If he wins, investigations can resume. It’s a high-stakes gamble to turn scrutiny into a narrative win. Classic UK political theater.
Clacton voters will decide soon.
My take is it’s to get more publicity. Frankly he’s not the cure that the UK need. That’s Rupert Lowe and the Restore party.
ANYTHINGS better than Air NZ. Fuk even Currymuncher Airlines Id fly on. I don’t care. AirNZ suck shit.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/361003244/theres-new-airline-looking-shake-trans-tasman-market-heres-what-we-know-so-far
Agreed. Feckin useless. Never take off on time.
Pic 2 reminds me of the desert stories that the returned guys used to tell about the Egyptians. If only they had been recorded.
Ask Hana – she was there front and center.
“….YEAH OHHH NZ U SILLY WOKE COW ….BRO …
GIZZ TEN BUCKS FOR DICKSCOVERINGS ANKTARTIC-ITAH-HA HA
OOOOOO HOO HOO HEE HEE
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
uzz dum honkys
Hey tnuC
You can pay your $10 bucks + here, & where you want to sit, for the screening.
There is a preamble which I will not repeat.
Then how we are to pay twice.
Made with the support of Te Māngai Pāho, TVNZ and RNZ.
https://docedge.nz/events/ranginui-call-of-the-ice/
Now the systemic education department will at an opportune time, using this glossy & pricey “documentary”, will be woven into our school curriculms.
We gave them much more than just $10 bucks and here is the proof of that discovery; when you figure what it would have cost to produce this “proof” & showing that glorious carving too.
Ranginui: Call of the Ice Trailer | Doc Edge Festival 2026
https://youtu.be/UghB1N-TzPQ
3 mins : Jun 27, 2026 : Doc Edge Festival :
Doc Edge is a not-for-profit organisation, advocating the power of documentaries.
It is an Academy Award-qualifying film festival and has received filmmaker permission to upload this trailer to the Doc Edge YouTube channel.
Just a matter of convincing the various silos of NZ government, that are well into DEI, multiculturism to cough up, & being far enough up the ‘totem’ pole, you too can travel far & wide in style.
This is all an addition of saying it often enough, proves it to be so.
A review of that mytho-doco “Call of the Ice” with even a more links & context.
…… funded by the New Zealand taxpayer, because costs that aren’t shared aren’t costs. Not really …..
….. But in order to justify this doco and unlock funding, Professor Rangi Mātāmua and co have successfully perpetuated the false narrative of early Maori voyaging to the ice. ….
…. The film recently took home the award for Best New Zealand Cinematography at the Doc Edge Awards. …..
https://yvonnevandongen.substack.com/p/frozen-myths
So as you can see, slowly in being repeated, more resources being drawn in; then it can only be true in the modern ongoing scientism & religiousity of today’s world.
Just finance & pay the ‘Indulgences’.so we can all achieve “Peace”
Further to the Antarctic exploration by Maori one can see that it is becoming an “scientific” established truth, and who can deny that. ? !
That is why that above mytho-doco, that started with a “star” has had a fair chunk of money spent on it, all to add a credence, a belief that is all so true, even by that carving near that base.
…… analysing two successful international approaches to negotiating Indigenous participation in environmental research, policy, and governance.
In doing so, this paper examines how Māori and other Indigenous peoples might continue to work towards equitable participation in Antarctica and the Southern Ocean. ……
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2154896X.2022.2058222#abstract
So long as equitable remains unaccountable, with no responsiblity, other than a money flow.
Of course not to pay rates in Antarctica either.
The backing by the only true science in NZ by the acknowledgements:—.
This work was supported by the New Zealand Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment under Grant C01x1710; Rutherford Discovery Fellowship from the Royal Society of New Zealand under Grants LCR-14-001 to P.M.W. and MAU-18-001 to K.W.
New Zealand probably in because of signing up to UNDRIP then has to support this case, with plenty of unaccountable $lucre, koha etc., and probably to increase & clip that money ticket.
Maori dominate Antartica due to it’s “WHITE priviledge” // 🤥🤮
Uh-oh
🤣 🤣 😂 😂
Why am I not surprized as the religious experience with the stars opens the pathways.
Well to more $ & koha, etc..
Hey Saggy where did your flax flag go???
I see an upgrade, an edit. ☺
Still missing a carving, a totem or pou to make the claim official. 😎😥
I edited it. Back now.
.. just watch fuckhead marxist Te-welfare idiots hand them ANOTHER blank cheque
“The early bird gets the worm but it’s the 2nd mouse that gets the cheese.”
— unknown quote
Here is a clear case of a business which became far too generous and when corrections were made or tried to be made, it all hits the fan with employees and unions.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bnz-boss-threatened-to-slash-annual-leave-if-workers-didnt-return-to-office-workers-claim/75QVVSMRGZFNTELSDQYBTHOTSQ/
For Britain, it is the anniversary of 7/7, of the four coordinated jihad bombing attacks that took place in London.
Fifty-two people were killed in the bombings and approximately eight hundred were wounded.
Seemingly washes out of memory in the migrant tide and many more mosques, masjids, cultural centres have been built.
Seems to be for the sake of “social cohesion”, ‘play nicely kids’ to move along as nobody cares.
Like who was Lee Rigby in 2013, 8 years after the “bombings”.
That surely can not be connected to the “Religion of Peace”, and whatever number of various incidents for the past 20+ years,
Yet it is believe, it can all be sorted with a course of civics in schools etc… as our Parliamentary representatives lead us on into multi-cultural, Diversity, Equity & Inclusion.
At many more stages; some one pays the price.
Tommy Robinson came to prominence about then & in 2009 established the English Defence League EDL
TR found it difficult to keep the worst out, and disbanded it, even though Lee Rigby was murdered & had his head severely hacked at in its final year.
#BREAKING Labour will create SolarSaver to remove the upfront cost that shuts most families out of solar.
Our plan will cover the full cost of panels and a battery with a Government-backed loan, subsidies of up to $3,000 for low- and middle-income households, plug-in solar for renters, and a community battery fund for whole neighbourhoods.
Real savings, straight back in your pocket.
“Real savings, straight back in your pocket.”
To be ripped back to the state in interest. particularly in interest rates rise % to control that inflation.
Could be classed for a Capital Gain Tax CGT as not only if, but when electricity rates soar even more, so the increased value could be worked in.
Then as the sun shines on land that has been robbed by the solar panel, then it could also to be in as a Land Value Tax LVT.
These days a solar panel or 2, a battery & an inverter & set to plug in a certain appliance could be set up far cheaper., plus be portable for even a tenant.
What happens to low- and middle-income households if repayment of said loan is not paid? What’s in the nitty gritty small print? Or have Labour only managed the usual good feel policy slogan
The modest abodes are sold to redeem the mortgage & are bought by private landlords who will rent them back to the ” low- and middle-income households” at a figure pulled out of the landlords arse & topped up by the ever benevolent state via welfare for landlords (aka the accommodation supplement).
Such are the vagaries of socialism.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy” 🏠🤗 //
He’s never happy. He complains every day. We notice.
Although the topic addressed at https://newsroom.co.nz/2026/07/08/why-large-language-models-are-an-economic-dead-end/ is well beyond the pay grade of a poorly educated retired cocky such as myself it may interest intellectuals who are less than totally awestruck by the wonders of AI.
Especially since its author, a UoO academic concedes that “the climate denialists have effectively won and the hydro-carbon intensive tech sector is playing a big part of their victory lap.”
Such humility & honesty is rare in the hallowed halls of knowledge.
Alistair Crozier of the New Zealand China Council explores China’s AI world
In June the New Zealand China Council partnered with AI Forum New Zealand to lead a New Zealand AI sector visit to four cities in China. Headed by Tech New Zealand CEO Graeme Muller, the group visited some of the big names in China AI including developers, end users, academics and robotics companies. Council executive director Alistair Crozier offers some personal reflections at the end of a busy week. The views in this article are his own.
By Alistair Crozier
On the first morning of our New Zealand AI sector visit to China, I roll over and tell Xiaodu I’m getting up. My lights switch on and my curtains open. She calmly answers my follow-up question about the day’s weather. English can be a problem, but my rusty Chinese gets me by.
Xiaodu is Chinese company Baidu’s AI assistant, available on the bedside console in my hotel room. She can also arrange a top up of room service water, delivered by a chatty robotic concierge which rings my doorbell when it arrives. Fulfilling my Alipay order, a local café’s delivery driver hands the same robot my morning coffee to bring to me as well. (Next year a drone may arrive outside the lobby, for fully automated end-to-end service).
This sci-fi convenience is an entertaining novelty. But in China it’s the tip of the iceberg, not the main event.
The big picture is… really big
After five days of intensive itinerary, our kiwi team was left in no doubt that China has embarked on a massive AI-driven transformation designed to anchor a new era of socio-economic advancement. The government’s ‘AI Plus’ policy is a strategic, long-term effort focused on improving industrial productivity, research and innovation, and personal efficiency across the board.
https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/139294/alistair-crozier-new-zealand-china-council-explores-chinas-ai-world
Need to add Antarctica as well
All I can say is I’m glad they’re not after my job.
“Mahi” for your job would prove it is a very naughty, even cursed word in the native lingo.
A curse to be advoided at all costs, but gifting or is it grifting in the Koha is an artform that has been gaining credence.
In 2020 Stuff ran a headline. It trumpeted ” Helen Clark: New Zealand’s smoke-free gains among my proudest achievements, but there’s more work to do”. I wonder if her to do list included “extortion, firebombings and murder between illegal tobacco gangs” such as Australia are currently witnessing as a result of their futile attempt at social engineering.
From https://newsroom.co.nz/2026/07/08/beating-back-the-illicit-tobacco-trade/
#. “In Australia, government statisticians estimate that 80 percent of the tobacco market is illegal. It also has the highest excise tax in the world, and the worst tobacco-related violence.”
The article acknowledges that NZ, on this issue, didn’t go full retard:
#. “it’s out of control in Australia, but so far New Zealand has made the right moves and has staved off the problem until now. Those moves include making vapes a viable alternative to smoking, whereas Australia has made them prescription-only.”
If the present is bad the future is worse:
#. “In just six years the country’s excise tax take has gone down from $16.3 billion to $4.1b and that downward trajectory is set to continue, even though the smoking rates haven’t decreased.”
So much winning! //////
Getting rid of the airforce feature anywehere?
Nor did Helen make much of a splash about getting in front to protest the Chinese missile.
Owned by the CCP who fired the missile.
fuck the uniparty…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361003311/national-labour-and-subscribe-our-new-bill
and nats are fearmongering that winnie could possubly go with labour.
read the room you dumb fuck national pieces of shit, your bills a dud over reach.
….. And last week Prime Minister Christopher Luxon was adamant the government was pushing forward despite his Australian counterpart, Anthony Albanese, conceding his world-first laws had not yet been fully effective.
“We’re going to die trying to do something,” Luxon said. ……
….. Education Minister was considering a ban on Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), something she and the Prime Minister have since denied. ……
…… questions about enforceability may have put the issue on the table. …..
Manu comments seem to have the theme.
the social media companies need better regulation … …. and also the tax they [should] pay.
So why do not the parents do something, put settings and they have the password…. but oohh, the government must do somethink.
Joseph de Maistre: A French philosopher who wrote, “Every nation gets the government it deserves”.
Thomas Jefferson: Often misquoted as saying, “The government you elect is the government you deserve”.
The two pig slop parties National & Labour have once again come together to support the social media ban, and while Luxon and Stanford are pathetically trying to pretend that VPN bans are not part of the plan, it clearly is on the cards.
“It’s understood that a draft bill and paper was circulated to coalition partners two weeks ago and was proposed to go to cabinet committee last week.
However, a source has confirmed that after New Zealand First raised concerns about the paper and told National the bill would not have its support, the paper was removed from the agenda of the committee meeting.
Both New Zealand First and Act had expressed concerns about the potential ban from the beginning.
ACT had raised concerns about workability while New Zealand First was worried about the potential wider implication of introducing a digital government ID that everyone would need to access the platforms.
Both coalition partners were angered by reports on Tuesday morning the Education Minister was considering a ban on Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), something she and the Prime Minister have since denied.
and two parties could invoke their “agree to disagree” clauses and send it off to the house to be introduced, debated and potentially supported by others.
It’s understood New Zealand First will not be using agree to disagree – it will be expressing no support for the bill.”
The Uniparty of National & Labour is becoming laughable with how often they come together to usher in contentious bills. Piglet & gingernuts have struck deals with each other on the below:
* Genetech – Act support
* India Free trade – Act support
* Social media ban
NZF is the lone dissenter on all these 3 issue.
Don’t worry. It’s just Luxon making yet another announcement to never be enacted.
“Well, Tonto old friend, looks like they’ve got us surrounded.”
“What do you mean ‘we,’ white man?”
🙃 🙃 Time for hibernation?
Or Winston Churchill’s “Never never, never give up”
Luxon is eyeing up the various moves in other countries.
We need a party, & or candidates, that declare that “free speech” is sancrosanct.
We had one but it folded. It advocated libertarianism, favoured self-government & limiting the power of the government over the individual. Its slogan “More Freedom, Less Government” was indicative of the party’s basic policy platform.
Libertarianz (1995- 2014)
As did DNZ
I do recall Lindsey Perigo.
Spoke very well.
Though no one stood in my electorate.
They never even got to 1% party vote, so one had to consider more of a vote to ACT had better value..
Libertarianz was founded by Ian Fraser after ACT became little more than a vehicle for Roger Douglas’s ‘Unfinished Business’. It was the same Ian Fraser who wrote ACT’s Party Principles. Quaintly, they partly read:
#. “To this end the Party upholds the following principles:
a) that individuals are the rightful owners of their own lives and therefore have inherent rights and responsibilities; and
b) that the proper purpose of government is to protect such rights and not to assume such responsibilities.”
If you don’t like them… well, they have others.
The Whakataki Times interviewed Alopecia Jesus on this very topic: ///
“What I will say though is that this is all absolutely to keep our kids safe, and it has nothing to do with social media being a place where teenagers might see weird opinions like thinking National or Labour might not be a good thing for the country,” he said with his hands deep in his pockets, as is his trademark.
“And LOOK, what I WILL SAY, is that I haven’t seen any evidence that says we’re developing digital ID so we can track the online behaviour of every single New Zealander.”
https://www.facebook.com/100076344611894/photos/ban-kids-or-die-tryinprime-minister-christopher-luxon-recently-told-reporters-we/1064935066061304/
well if they want to keep kids safe then i highly suggest they pull their fucking heads in, read the fucking room and sort the cost of living crisis otherwise the pedo loving, gender bending leftist freaks will be targeting our kids again once labour win the election.
seriously, its like national are wanting to lose the election. if not then theyre the most blind and tone deaf fuckers ever and honestly dont deserve to be in govt again.
fuck you ya useless nat cunts with ya bald peice of shit muppet leader and dumb as fuck finance whore minister.
your bills a dud over reach.
It will be shelved, temporarily as we can see how other establishments around the globe have prioritized in gaining this control.
The politics is being pushed by figuring how Canada, Australia & now in particular the UK, and the EU are working, ratcheting rat-shitting ways, endlessly pushing to control various social media, Utube algorithims, so that the official news channels are prioritized, as well stopping VPNs, in whatever ways they can.
All those countries are working in cahoots, coordinating.
Some a doing in Gramsci style, it the bite is too big, then slice it more thinly to get it through.
Not only not trust Luxon, but also Seymour, or even Peters, let alone the rest of them.
As depends on just what crosses their palms for this global control over our raw data, information to what becomes knowledge.
No other information can be allowed to distort your thinking, reasoning, consideration.
Do we really value “free speech” “liberty” and who will do anything about keeping, maintaining “free speech”?
how the orange mans ceasefire going 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the big flows of oil promised have been a mere trickle and most of it has been iranian oil heading to china.
from 150 ships each way per day and the past few weeks has only averaged 15 per day going in with only half of those being tankers.
the oil crunch is still coming, just delayed a few weeks with the 40odd million barrels of oil that did make it out of there.
good work ya orange retard, youre doing more failing bigly.
Diesel $1.93 today
stock up, well maybe stock up in a few weeks itll go down a bit more yet i rekon.
the asian refineries have 2mnths of oil on hand, the usa reserves are dwindling as they cant go below 300mil barrels without risk of the caverns collapsing and becoming unusable.
More proof Trump has always been a US patriot
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kujWW94qepg
Trump rescued the 50th Anniversary parade for US Veterans
short
It’s Fantasy. Wishful storytelling and potentially lucrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwztz3Bu260
The Latest Taxpayer Funded Matariki Mumbo Jumbo Exposed
The Platform NZ
Yvonne van Dongen exposes the latest taxpayer funded Matariki mumbo jumbo.
It will be played on propaganda tv this Sunday morning.
That is good wg, but I guess many will just swallow the wonderment of it all.
It does make one wonder if this has been taught in schools, coordinated to be a virtous echo of reinforcing what has been taught.
Yvonne’s substacked review on this is linked as well as showing the support by MBIE government department, RNZ, TVNZ, Royal Society of New Zealand in a scientism indigenous equality paper, as well the trailer to the mytho-doco. in this earlier thread.
https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-806/#comment-482745
Despite our protestations it is being leveraged into a money flow by the UN Declaration of Rights of Indignenous People. UNDRIP
You will see that in the link that the government MBIE contributed to.
Never mind maori arguing amongst themselves as it will be the global UN that uses this division for their globalist gain.
One would have to suspend all commonsense to believe their fairytale. If there was a story, it appears to have originated from The Cook Islands, so not even a local myth.
A hollowed out open canoe may fluke a fine, calm trip across the Southern Pacific, the notorious Roaring 40’s the dangerously cold and angry Southern Ocean to Antartica but the chances of returning…
Ask Ernest Shackleton his opinion!
Now for a break from politics – something unusual and beautiful:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/the-universe-just-pulled-off-something-almost-impossible-over-iceland/
Spectacular. Thanks SA.
Certainly worth chasing to and then setting up the cameras while “being a frog” taking a soak in one of their thermal hot pools.
I have had a curiousity of the movement of the North Magnetic Pole, as anyone with old fashion navigation leads to wandering just what effects that may bring about with-in the earth and then to the solar winds & the creation of those auroas:—
Here is how the magnetic pole’s movement has changed over time:
The wonderment of what will still come to be, just here on earth?
Not to worry. When the magnetic poles flip, no one will get out alive
Happened before, and they survived.
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Agent to agent (A2A) e-commerce is an easy example to describe agentic AI transformation at a personal level, and a good example of why New Zealand needs to keep up.
At present when I shop online, I use a search engine to find a range of vendor websites. Then I enter the most promising (or perhaps two or three, to compare), select my chosen supplier and product, click “add to shopping cart” and arrange my credit card payment.
In China, AI ‘agents’ are rapidly taking over both buying and selling.
Consumers request a desired product as an instruction, and AI takes over – comparing multiple suppliers, gathering important transaction information (cost, availability, delivery method and speed), making a final decision and completing the order and payment, all without the user hitting a single further button. Just as importantly, the customer’s agent does this by talking to vendors’ agents (hence ‘A2A’).
An e-commerce expert we met posed the simple question: When a Chinese customer’s AI visits a New Zealand online store in future, who will meet it at the (virtual) door? If there is no 24/7 agent waiting, the consumer’s agent will simply keep ‘walking’ until it finds one.
https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/139294/alistair-crozier-new-zealand-china-council-explores-chinas-ai-world
Data is power
It is well known to the tech sector that data – the experiences and knowledge that are needed to train an AI ‘brain’ – are key to the sector’s continuing advancement. It became abundantly clear during our week that a country the size of China has a lot of it.
We visited a Beijing hospital that conducts 25,000 open heart surgeries a year. Alibaba told us it knows the spending habits of 1.2 billion customers. A large bank we visited has over 13,600 domestic branches.
That’s a lot of training data. To capitalise further, many of China’s developers have adopted an open-source approach, to expand data collection further.
My theory of evolution is that V2 was adopted.
Thats ok, the robots are lining up to carry your paper coffin direct to the melting pot.
What flavour is your chemical?
If you weren’t such a coward, you could get on an aeroplane and go visit some of the places and see for yourself.
Even spend some of that money you were going to buy the kids house with.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/home-property/361003959/jacinda-arderns-auckland-home-heads-auction-tonight
Hopefully this means she won’t be back.
No exorcism nor any expurgation known to man will make that house fit for human habitation.
Presumably the history was disclosed prior to auction but they bought it anyway. No one to blame but themselves.