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Viking
20 days ago

The National Party will today release its list for the 2026 election, announcing the ranking of candidates that will influence who enters Parliament after November 7.
The positions of several high-profile MPs, including Chris Bishop and Paul Goldsmith, will be closely watched given they may need the list to have a place in Parliament after the election.
Bishop, currently the third-ranked National MP, holds the Hutt South electorate. But with it being a marginal seat and National’s general support on the slide, there is a view he will likely lose it.
Goldsmith and National’s Gerry Brownlee are in Parliament at the moment as list MPs. Brownlee is running at the election as a list-only candidate, meaning he won’t stand in an electorate, while Goldsmith is unlikely to topple David Seymour in Epsom.
Depending on how many electorates National retains at the election, there could be a limited number of list positions in Parliament available to candidates.

The first list spot in Parliament will likely be taken by deputy leader Nicola Willis, who is also not running for an electorate.
Under National’s constitution, the first two positions on the party list are given to the leader and deputy leader.
As leader Christopher Luxon will likely retain his safe seat of Botany, Willis would be the first MP needing the list to enter Parliament.

Previous analysis by National pollster David Farrar found that, based on poll results at the time, the party would only get two list positions.
That analysis, which had National receiving 38 seats in Parliament overall, considered the change in party vote but not the particular quirks of individual electorate races.
National’s support has fallen since the past election, with a Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll out on Friday having the party at 31%, compared with 38.1% three years ago. On those poll results, it would get 40 seats.
As the Herald wrote in June after the party’s conference, a sitting National Speaker has in recent past elections been given the third spot on the list. However, Brownlee, the current Speaker, said at the time he had no expectation of being given that spot.
The list announcement comes after a difficult week for Luxon.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2026-national-party-to-reveal-its-list-for-november-7-vote/7VOKZIKA6ZDF7EODWHBKFBMMUI/

Bye bye Brownlee, Goldy, Bishop and a lot of other useless buggers.

Bishop might make it back, but he has pissed a lot of council voters with the amalgamations, necessary as they are in many areas, but those votes go against them.

Last edited 20 days ago by Viking
Viking
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Less than 100 days out from the election, the central question of New Zealand politics is not who will win it, but whether Christopher Luxon will even contest it.

This is a remarkable fact. Before most elections, the biggest question isn’t even who will win, much less whether the Prime Minister will survive long enough to contest it.
It’s been four months since Luxon called a confidence vote in himself – four months in which even his detractors noticed some (admittedly minor) improvement.
But his past week has demonstrated just how poor a performer he can be, demonstrating to the National caucus and the country at large that there is no floor to Luxon’s political ineptitude.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/will-labours-poll-plunge-save-christopher-luxon-after-his-worst-week/premium/NP6ZCIOY55EW5D3SHMEA4T7NA4/

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

chris hipkins/labour poll plunge…. luxon says, “hold my non alcoholic beer”

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

and my frilly panties

Dougal10
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Luxon is a religious nutter like bishop brian , the Catholic nats must have felt they needed a new preacher to bring them back into line.

DylanHunt
Reply to  Dougal10
20 days ago

Luxon is not religious at all, certainly not Anglo Saxon Christianity. Otherwise he would have taken a firm stand against “cocks in frocks” in women’s spaces and sports, the evil Dr Fauci, the evil WEF, evil WHO, Marxist TPM, etc etc.

The measure of your belief is not what you say, but what you do with what you believe.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Dougal10
20 days ago

surely theyre proof there is no fucking god tho?

rightoverlabour
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Your existance is probably proof enough. God would never admit to creating you…

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  rightoverlabour
20 days ago

satans spawn mate, got told that plenty when i was younger.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Hmm, in my numerous discussions with him around Nasska’s soul, he even admitted he was not responsible for you… Suggested the Ardern DNA lineage….

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Hail Satan!

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Hush your mouth, Luxon believes in God but he also Believes in himself.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

This one will have the lowest turnout of voters ever!

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

Sooty, a low turnout of Voters may not be a bad thing.

As I see it, it’s probably the thinking Voters who care in their own way for the Country, who will bother to Vote and the impulsive, lazy Voter, who just can’t be bothered who will not get off their fat arse to exercise their right, but who will later complain about the state of the Nation afterwards, but then, they have had not tried to influence the Country for the better or worse.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
20 days ago

Probably depends on who and how much KFC,
is provided at the polling booth!
Probably only to natives!
I asked for the food coupons last year and got a snarky, reply.

Tarquin
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

I like to vote in the most obscure places I can find. I’ve voted in Te Hapua which is the most northern and probably western place you can vote and I’ve voted in Buff.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Tarquin
20 days ago

Well you would think you have the most marvellous & offering your glorious body in the Buff for some reward.

Last edited 20 days ago by Simpleton1
Tarquin
Reply to  Simpleton1
20 days ago

That went a bit wrong. Can’t advertise on election day.

Viking
20 days ago

NZ Herald publisher NZME acquires Stuff print-plant equipment in $15m investment that will see relocation from Ellerslie after more than 50 yearsNZ Herald publisher NZME is acquiring Stuff’s Wellington print-plant assets, and will relocate them to a new Auckland site in a multimillion-dollar move announced today.
The acquisition and relocation – expected to cost up to $15 million – will see NZME vacate its current Ellerslie print-plant site by the end of 2028. The company has been printing the 162-year-old NZ Herald and other newspapers there since the early 1970s.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider/media-insider-nz-herald-publisher-nzme-acquires-stuff-print-plant-equipment-in-15m-investment-that-will-see-relocation-from-ellerslie-after-60-years/premium/QBZ7BYLOFRGZLPJ6RQLJJJLFOA/

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Where is $tuffed going to print their rag!

Ross12
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

Christchurch !

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Ross12
20 days ago

What and rely on the ferries to get the papers north?

Viking
20 days ago

Here is an email I sent to ACT in February.
ACT missed the boat, but somehow Labour managed to get their hands on the email and the idea, even though they got the suggested threshold wrong.
Have a read.

Subject: GST. Thresholds. 15/02/2026, 3:47 pm
To: Cameron.luxon@parliament.govt.nz, act.office@parliament.govt.nz
Hi, Cameron and ACT Reduce Costs Department.

I have a suggestion that will save people a lot of time, effort and increase efficiency for the IRD., whilst promoting growth in the economy.

In New Zealand, the Goods and Services Tax (GST) was introduced on1 October 1986
The Goods and Services Tax (GST) rate in New Zealand was last increased from 12.5% to15% on 1 October 2010

I’m sure you are aware that it’s scope is very broad as well. Summarised below. 
The level at 60k is barely above minimum wage these days, and the 60k limit discourages people working to grow their incomes. 
e.g. People who have an Airbnb will sit just below that threshold when they could earn more. They do that because of the need to report when they go over the 60K. ( I know places where that happens).
e.g People who run weekend stalls will do enough to stay under the threshold, so our potential for expetential growth gets stunted or turned into a cash for goods.
Cash that we all know no one wants to talk about but everyone wants to collect.
There are a lot of people who work from home and do stuff that do enough to remain below the threshold. Often have other means. They are out there. 
Given all the hassles, etc that are involved or their need to pay a bookkeeper and so on, have an accounting system and pay for that and so on. Not worth the effort.
Given that its 2010 since that threshold was changed it is well past time to increase it and make small businesses grow to their potential.

What should the new level be and so I asked Chat this question
If something in NZ was worth $15.00 in 2010, what would be the value today? 
Chat replied 
Based on cumulative inflation in New Zealand between 2010 and early 2026, an item costing $15.00 in 2010 would be worth approximately $22.00 to $22.50 NZD in early 2026. 
This represents an overall price increase of roughly 48% to 50% over that 16-year period, driven by an average annual inflation rate of about 2.5%. 

  • 2010 Value: $15.00
  • 2026 Value: ~$22.30 

Prices for specific types of goods and services have changed at different rates. If your $15.00 item falls into one of these categories, its estimated 2026 value would be: 

  • Housing & Utilities: $24.27 (Highest increase due to rising rents and electricity).
  • Food & Beverages: $23.11.
  • Transport: $21.14.
  • Clothing & Apparel: $16.29 (Lowest increase relative to other categories). 

Key Inflation Insights (2026)

  • Purchasing Power: A New Zealand dollar today buys roughly 65–67% of what it could in 2010.
  • Current Rate: As of February 2026, annual inflation in New Zealand has recently fluctuated between 2.5% and 3.1%, following a peak of over 7% in 2022.
  • Official Tools: For the most precise calculation based on the latest quarterly Consumer Price Index (CPI) data, you can use the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Inflation Calculator

Good information so then I asked: 
Purchasing Power: A New Zealand dollar today buys roughly 65–67% of what it could in 2010 when the gst rate was 15% after a threshold of $60000.
Aapplying the purchasing power to the GST threshold what should the threshold be today?
 (and sorry had to clip as chat wouldn’t let me copy it. Conspiracy says The IRD were watching comment image)

Chat replied: 

Purchasing Power: A New Zealand dollar today buys roughly 65–67% of what it could in 2010 when the gst rate was 15% after a threshold of $60000. Applying the purchasing power to the GST threshold, what should the threshold be today

Purchasing Power: A New Zealand dollar today buys roughly 65–67% of what it could in 2010 when the gst rate was 15% after a threshold of $60000. Applying the purchasing power to the GST threshold what should the threshold be today
Purchasing Power: A New Zealand dollar today buys roughly 65–67% of what it could in 2010 when the gst rate was 15% after a threshold of $60000. Applying the purchasing power to the GST threshold what should the threshold be today
Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:, .
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Current Context in NZ

  • The Status Quo: The mandatory registration threshold remains strictly $60,000 of turnover in any 12-month period.
  • Bracket Creep: Because the threshold is not indexed to inflation, more small businesses and “side hustles” are being pulled into the GST system every year as their nominal prices rise, even if their actual profit or volume hasn’t grown.

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago. 
Calculation Breakdown
To find the inflation-adjusted threshold, we apply the inverse of the purchasing power ratio to the original 2010 limit:

  1. Determine the Multiplier: If $1 today only buys roughly 65% of what it did in 2010, the cost of goods has effectively increased by a factor of data:.
  • Adjust the Threshold: Applying this to the $60,000 limit:At 67% purchasing power: data:, $89,552
  • At 65% purchasing power: data:, $92,308 

Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. 
While the threshold was set at $60,000 when the GST rate increased to 15% on 1 October 2010, it hasn’t been adjusted since, meaning businesses are effectively forced to register for GST at a much lower level of “real” income than they were 14 years ago.
Based on your figures for the decline in purchasing power since 2010, the New Zealand GST registration threshold should be adjusted to approximately $89,500 – $92,300 today to maintain the same real-world value. Intereting that it mentions side hustles. Inte

Interesting that Chat mentions side hustles. I had not asked for that information.
What should the GST level be now?
Based on the above calculation the GST threshold should be lifted to a minimum of $90,000, but more pragmatically a level of $100,000 would make sense as that would allow for perhaps the next 5 years inflation.
So then I asked Chat 
reading above and allowing for predicited inflation for the next 5 years, what should the threshold level for GST in NZ be until 2031

Chat Replied
Projected Threshold Requirements (2026–2031)
Using the current estimated requirement of $89,500 – $92,300 to match 2010 values today, the following table projects what the threshold would need to be to keep pace with future inflation. These projections assume the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) successfully manages inflation near its 2% target midpoint

Inflation Forecast Context
Current economic data indicates that inflation may remain slightly higher than the target midpoint in the near term: 

  • Near-term pressure: Annual inflation reached 3.1% in the 12 months to December 2025, which was above the RBNZ’s 1–3% target band.
  • Long-term expectations: Business managers forecast inflation at approximately 2.31% over a 5-year horizon and 2.3% over a 10-year horizon as of early 2026.
  • Impact on calculation: If inflation averages 2.5% rather than 2% over the next five years, the 2031 threshold would need to be approximately $101,200 – $104,400

So Chat calculates that $100,000 would get us to 2030-1.

Apart from the benefits of improving business and the economy, removing costs of the bureaucracy, the big benefit would be for ACT.
Get that through a couple of months before the election, and you will make a lot of voters. 
One should not dismiss the ethnicities of thousands of these small traders and tradie. Most come from countries that don’t have GST or such.
Of course it doesn’t relieve them of the end-of-year returns nor Paye & Acc. 
That, I guess, is for another day. Bring it on.
Make it Happen is this year’s call.
Regards

Summary of GST according to the IRD.

In New Zealand, the Goods and Services Tax (GST) was introduced on 1 October 1986

  • Initial Rate: It was implemented at a rate of 10%.

Goods and services tax (GST) is a 15% tax for buying and selling most products and services.
As soon as you think you’ll earn $60,000 or more in 12 months, you’ll have to register for GST, no matter what your business structure is.
Being registered for GST means:

  • you must charge GST on your products and services — you’re collecting the tax for the government
  • you can claim back GST you pay on what you buy
  • you need to file regular GST returns, and pay what you collected or get a refund for GST you’ve paid.

etc etc. 

Upyou2
Upyou2
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

If it was condensed into several paragraphs without the repetition there probably wouldn’t have been down ticks.

freethinker
freethinker
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Cannot figure – why down votes – probably Labour Greens infiltrating the site/

Saggy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Sorry – didn’t read, got stuff I gotta do today.

Viking
Reply to  Saggy
20 days ago

Your choice. No problem. It will be there tomorrow, and the message will be the same.

Upyou2
Upyou2
Reply to  Saggy
20 days ago

Exactly

Viking
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

It’s simple when you don’t have to explain it to children.
And did any of you naysayers ever think to do something other than complain?
Nah, of course not.

You all whinge and moan daily but never do anything to change anything.
You all slag others off but never stand for anything yourselves.

Labour have pinched that Idea ( how did they get that email is a good question), and were so timid they didn’t even propose the right numbers. They are all checkable.

I just knew this would be the reaction, but there ya go. Have a shitty day and suck it up.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Put the fkin thing as an attachment next time.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Mike Hunty
20 days ago

Is that his biggest ever post.

Viking
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

Yep, just to show you that essentially you are full of shit. Going to be a PM and all about ACT, but in essence, ya like the barber’s cat. All piss and wind. Have a nice evening.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Well, you are not nice!!!

Viking
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

Well, I am. dealing with shit for brains doesn’t make me happy.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

It’s not a competition….. Who was that twat on Kiwiblog that wrote incoherent drivel Phil Ure or something….

nasska
Reply to  rightoverlabour
20 days ago

Phil U of vegan dogs & champion of the ellipsis …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….etc

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  nasska
20 days ago

Has he died?

nasska
Reply to  Sooty
20 days ago

Wouldn’t have a clue Sooty. He disappeared off Kiwiblog at least ten years back then everyone breathed a sigh of relief & began the healing process of pretending that he never existed.

Dougal10
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Go back and delete 80% of that its just repetitive ai shit
A simple 60k to 90k answer would have worked.

DylanHunt
Reply to  Dougal10
20 days ago

Better still GST is an unbalanced tax.
A turnover tax; to replace all other forms of tax would be equitable. No income tax, no fuel levies. A calculation carried out years
ago, put turnover tax at under 5%.

Turnover is your gross inflow/income. For an employee that would be their gross income. For a company that is their turnover.

No exemptions, no claw-backs. Simple to calculate, simple to manage, simple to administer.

Last edited 20 days ago by DylanHunt
Viking
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

Won’t disagree necessarily, but a transaction tax would be best. catches every body and everything over the border.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

boom this^
incentivise productivity with it too.
2 businesses can produce exactly the same thing at exactly the same rate with same annual turnover but one can be paying tax and the other not.

transaction tax is another way.

im also a fan of LVT, geogism style without ubi and not the way opportunity think it should work and be just yet another tax. it should be used to replace pretty much most other taxes.

all of the above leave pretty much little to no wriggle room and loopholes, the more broader and simpler the better imo.
a transaction tax fits that the best, could easily incentivise investment in nz and make every dollar flowing in tax free and higher then the standard rate for any dollars flowing out as that would capture foreign owned businesses funneling profits offshore.

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

See we do agree on what matters.

Viking
Reply to  Dougal10
20 days ago

Maybe maybe not. The rationale needs to be explained to many.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

is it you or ai that thinks shit should be repeated lots?

the left will view that 60k as potential and no matter what they say theyll end up reducing it to nil or 10k etc. esp for those greedy air bnb landlords and coffee/donut vendors, how dare they not pay their share of tax and gst!!!!

personally i dont even think its an issue, if its whats stopping people starting out or growing then its not a viable or worthwhile business from the get go. it should remain as is or lower to incentivise probable failures to stay in their 9-5 and paye system so vikey dosent have to post links 18mnths from now of shitarse businesses going under owing ird and staff shitloads of money.

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Had you read it properly it is a process, and no part of the process is repeated, but then you don’t read, just watch videos, and I’m not making one for you.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Several paragraphs are repeated more than once. Is that your ”process”?

Viking
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

no they were not. each was distinct in purpose.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

i started reading until i realise how junk ai shit is and that its not worth reading and probably wrong anyways.

vikey= anything pumped from Ai is true and shouldnt be questioned.

Ed= anything posted to x is true and shouldnt be questioned.

i think old farts need to be banned from the internet before u16s do, you lot are more gullable and trusting of it then a 12yr old girl on tiktok

DylanHunt
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Agreed.

The moment someone uses AI they have lost. including all the values contributors on here claim to have.

The Cloud:
Someone else’s computer. Where you zero control over management, and access. For which all 3 letter agencies have the right of access on demand, and more importantly bad actors within those agencies. More importantly, your private data is being continually scanned, indexed, translated, edited and uploaded to AI. That is all declared in the T&Cs that no-one ever reads.

AI: The Cloud, plus your queries are run against all that stolen private data in the AI to give you the answer. And the queries you ask, data you provide, and in fact any data on the PC or network you make the queries from, is added to the AI.

AI rots your brain. It tells you what to think.

Facebook started stealing from people’s computer’s the moment they created a Facebook account and logged in.

The entire Covid fake pandemic was orchestrated by AI.

Automation is OK. AI is not. At least not while all AI is controlled by evil or compromised people.

Viking
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

what garbage. Beca have been using AI for many years, as have others.
But never mind; continue working to fleece your customers.

Viking
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

ya a dinosaur mate. AI has moved on while you were sleeping.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

Thats why I only use Gab.AI ( at the moment) Seems not to be controlled by the lot you refer to above. It has someuses like calculating the temperature of the atmospher nedded to raise the whole ocean temp by 1 deg C ( 1000 deg C is required BTW)

Curious
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Now grok is imbedded in X there really is no excuse for posting fake news from X unless it’s a deliberate stir.

DylanHunt
Reply to  Curious
20 days ago

Grok on X changes nothing. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Viking
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

So you think everything that AI produces is garbage. You have a lot to see yet.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

I sprained my thumb scrolling past that.

Viking
Reply to  FJA
20 days ago

Learn to use your mouse. You can scroll without needing to wear out your thumb. You can. Pity you didn’t actually read it.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

whats a mouse

freethinker
freethinker
Reply to  Mike Hunty
20 days ago

A Labour/Green TPM Politician

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  freethinker
20 days ago

That’s no mouse, that’d be a sewer 🐀

bobthebldr
bobthebldr
Reply to  waikatogirl
20 days ago

.or river of filth..

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Mike Hunty
20 days ago

Something often found in a pussy

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

pity you didnt read it either ya fucking dumbarse.
and if you did read all that bullshit and still decide to post it as is then youre even fucking dumber than i thought

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Well I actually researched and wrote it. Its not bullshit its factual.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

A phone with a mouse. Sounds kinda retro.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  FJA
20 days ago

vikey sprained his thumb playing with himself getting excited over his ai.
like vikey, his ai has a bit of dementia and repeats shit all the time.

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

If you don’t understand it its better you shut your big mouth than appear to be ignorant. Had you read it properly, you might see the rationale that’s explained.
Do you teach your kids to read the same way? Miss all the story. I can imagine that you do.

DylanHunt
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Viking, if you understood it, you would condense it down to a paragraph or two. At 2,900 words it is longer than:

Essay: 300-500 words
Article: 500-1550 words
Short Blog Post or News Piece: 300 to 600 words
Standard Feature Article: 800 to 2,000 words

A paragraph should cover one main point. And be 100-200 words.

I have made the same mistakes, but have learnt to edit my thinking down to core principles.

Anyone who has to use AI to explain anything it means they don’t understand the core principles of the situation and/or cannot articulate those principles. They are in fact copying and pasting other peoples ideas.

Resident blog trolls on other blogs e.g. the fruity blog use AI, as well as moderators on a number of blogs, suppressing narratives. Please don’t sink to their level.

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Viking
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

which oinly underscores that you don’t understand much at al. The chat bits were what I asked chat for that information. Other than That Iresearched and wrote to complete thing. All my doing.
What brilliance have you posted in years?

nasska
Reply to  DylanHunt
20 days ago

Absolutely agree. AI is a word processor for morons who would struggle to write their own name without spelling errors!

freethinker
freethinker
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

You mean IAASB runs goats//

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  freethinker
20 days ago

Yer, one posed for the photo at the top!

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

i read enough, dismissed it as junk and moved on to commenting appropriately 🙂 my comment further up had more substance then your ai bullshit.

the one positive your junk post provided tho is how fucked the world is about to be if thats what trillions of dollars of ai ponzi, stolen power/water and all those chips can produce…. holy fucking shit the reality hitting home is gunna be just as big as the ponzi market crash.

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Had you rad it and actually decided to understand it you would see that information was obtained that was used in the calcualtion and the calcultions were based on the infrormation. Tell me what’s wrong with the answers if you are that smart.

freethinker
freethinker
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

The bit you got right is Ai does repeat because it doesn’t remember earlier answers but this doesn’t necessarily devalue the answer.

DylanHunt
Reply to  freethinker
20 days ago

There is a world wide shortage of Ram and Hard drives due to “AI” so is it is unlikely it didn’t remember.

In many cases AI companies have not yet cracked actual AI so “are faking it till they make it” and the Indian “avatar” in the AI, was a different “avatar” from the previous one.

That is being observed a lot with high level AI. Exact same query on the same account, different hour, different day and completely different response.

Simple tasks and queries may be similar…

However there have been dozens of news articles about big companies using AI with thousands of humans.

Amazon, Waymo, Tesla, Home Robots, even AI chat programs have been caught and/or admitted to using humans. In fact most if not all home robots have T & Cs that state that the robot may be controlled by a remote worker, while the AI is learning. Even robot vacuum cleaners have been caught taking detailed photos of the house, layout, and contents.

And then there are the chat incidents where AI asked children to take their clothes off and take selfies.

If you are paying US$40 an hour for home robot help, controlled by someone in India remotely being paid US$1.80 per hour it makes good economic sense for the AI company. However it becomes an instant privacy breach.

And if you hire or buy one to give your wife or daughter help after her skiing accident, it may be giving her a hand to get into the shower, but operator may also be “giving himself a hand”.

Even a complete autonomous robot will be taking photos and videos and uploading them to build the AI database for training.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

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Curious
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Vilkey the post is much too long and complicated. It doesn’t need all the ai stuff to make the point. Who ever opened it at Act likely fell asleep before getting to the end of it. The point could have been made in a few sentences. The sentiment is right the delivery is wrong. Take it on board or not up to you.

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Viking
Reply to  Editor
20 days ago

Next time. Thanks ed. I thought it was reasonable to show the logic, but apparently not. Still doesn’t bother me much as it gives an insight into the lack of sensible logic the others around this place. I guess thats why they drove tractors and want to leave the country for another that is even more fucked up.

I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

colder start with a light frost for stupid boys first full day back in this failing country, then looks like off n on rain/showers most of the week… yay.

tis great to see some hills/mountains and actual fucking bush with big trees tho, the national park in aus next to one of our farms struggles to have a tree above head height.
fwiw aussie was greener and prettier then here when i left but by time i go back itll be all dead and brown through till june next year.

our bumpy lumpy joke roads soon reminded me of the quality of nz stuff, plus upon walking into aucklands domestic terminal we were very promptly reminded on how obese and brown nz is 🤣 mind you, ive made a good attempt at fitting in but so far im still not fat enough or tanned enough.
i think the part brown women with chin scribbles are growing almost exponentially now, the chip on their shoulders is probs growing at the same rate too.

anyways, no doubt time will fly, i wont get all my jobs done whilst back here and whats the fucking bet the sea stays poo and cant get my boat out for a hoon!

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

I’ve noticed all the pigs with the trendy chin scribble since being back.
I make a point of pushing in front of ’em wherever I may be; supermarkets are the best. Givin ’em half an eyeball look of disgust and a curl of the top lip.
Are they gonna say anything?? Be fuk they are. I’m 1.89 and 100 err 102 kg (steak n cheese pies can’t get ’em in Phuket).
The penny will drop one day. “Oh fuck… it doesn’t wash off..OOOHHHH FUCKK!! 😮 😮

I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

uh-oh… looks like another staged assasination attempt is needed to try justify the need for the ballroom.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/361017554/appeals-court-rules-trump-cant-build-white-house-ballroom-wi

maybe if his jew puppet master claims the ballroom is a week away from developing a nuke to bomb israel with, trump can declare war on it bypassing congress for 60 days and do what he likes and blow another 20billion?

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Thats old as news.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

you really are a dumb fuck.
this isnt the first time theyve stopped him.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

No point starting a construction job and finishing partway thru.
Watertight issues.
Costs twice as much to finish.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

💩fffrrrtttttt TDS 😷

I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

when the line between satire and reality has become blurred…
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-meets-with-zelenskyy-to-ask-for-us-missiles

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
20 days ago
FJA
FJA
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

If they wanted to imbed Maori stories and identity, why didn’t they have a statue of Rangi the shoplifter and Hine, the woman on the DPB with five kids to five dads?

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

SA, if you are an Auckland Ratepayer and have Voted for a Tosser who said this (from your Post) then you deserve every high Rates Bill you get. You see, it is not his money and he will no doubt repeatedly Vote to increase Aucklanders Rate Bills, because Hills can, with little or no regard as to whether Ratepayers can afford it or not.

Ooohhhh, and by the way, Auckland is not a Maori City, to my knowledge, Maori never had Cities being the Tribal people they were and still are.

“Richard Hills, Auckland Councillor and chair of the Policy and Planning Committee, said the artworks reflected Auckland’s unique identity.

“Our city is a Māori city, the only international city in the world that is uniquely Māori, and to have these amazing artworks sitting right in the middle of the city centre is just great,” Hills said.”

Viking
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
20 days ago

Obviously has no idea what ethnicities live in the city. More indoans there than Horis; probably more Fillipinos and Tongans and Samoans. What bloody plonker.

Curious
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

Yup got my rates bill yesterday 11% increase over last year. To add to the insult less than 5% of Auckland’s art collection is on view. Sell the lot and reduce rates imo.

Viking
Reply to  Curious
20 days ago

There’s been a bit of chatter about that down Whakatane way.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Curious
20 days ago

Just think how much money you could save if you sold the lot.
Wages. Storage, lot of luuvies crying. No downside, I can see!

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

Yup, and Yup. I suppose we have to be eternally grateful that the 4km CRL is now finished…. I was watching youtube clips of Italian High Speed Rail… huge sections sre just tunnel after tunnel after tunnel, often in excess of 10km a time, where the trains do 300km/h. And then I was so glad I live in NZ where our far superior engineers can show the Italians how its done…. I mean they navigated here from God knows where ….

Saggy
Reply to  rightoverlabour
20 days ago

Yep apparently it’s going to cost $220 million or more a year to maintain. And I, like the vast majority of Auckland ratepayers, will see zero benefit.

Viking
Reply to  Editor
20 days ago

Ask Phil Goff.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Editor
20 days ago

Other peoples money.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Editor
20 days ago

feels and culture

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
20 days ago

Koha and stupid artwork!
CRT Engineers are world leading. Take ya hand of it, ya dreaming!

Viking
20 days ago

It was all on at the big education debate!
I was grateful to have the opportunity to talk about Labour’s vision for education in New Zealand. Every child in New Zealand deserves the opportunity to succeed, no matter where they live or their start in life.
That means an education system that gets the basics right, while preparing young people for the world they will inherit. As technology, AI and social media reshape our lives, students will need more than knowledge alone. Problem-solving, creativity and critical thinking will be essential to helping them adapt, participate and thrive.
Our schools also need stability. Constant political interference and ideological swings create uncertainty for teachers, students and families. Improvement comes from working in partnership with the teachers, principals and education experts who understand learning and our classrooms. That partnership must be built on trust, respect, communication and genuine consultation.
Labour wants an education system that is inclusive, evidence-based and focused on helping every learner reach their potential.
If we get this right, it is not Labour or National that wins. It is our kids – and New Zealand’s future.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1490923506171335&set=pcb.1490927086170977
reply:

Well, that would mean getting rid of teachers’ unions and going to school contracts and the school managing their own staff and pay rates. Allowing school boards to have more say. Allow people to choose their school and support Charter Schools. We started out that way back in the days of David Lange, but you socialists didn’t like that. Are you suggesting we reintroduce that again. Most of us would be all for it. You haven’t thought this through, have you?

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Know it when you see it,
That first part of the comment is all on Hegelian Dialectics, in the how the vocabularly frames the narrative.
So many words using words & phrasing to be conclusive.
That any one that opposes as in part accepted that part of the arguement.
A word salad but is also a trap.

As briefly described here, which I posted yesterday with a brief.https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-836/#comment-485382https://rumble.com/v7do0bq-tiktok-woman-describes-an-aspect-of-dialectical-language-for-self-defence-p.html
4 mins 44 secs :

That was a good rebuttal by not entering into the Hegelian Dialectic “Conclusion” that sows the seed that pushes that it is inevitable.

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Chuck Bird
Chuck Bird
20 days ago

After coming out with the idea of a referendum on MMP without discussing it with any of his MPs was just stupid. He referred to his coalition partners as numpties.

A week ago I would have thought it was way too late to roll him. He is bound to make more gaffes. If they do not roll him now, we will have Hipkins as PM again.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Chuck Bird
20 days ago

With the rolling; will Luxon resign from his electorate seat of Botany?

Is there any one besides Mike Hunty that would be able to effectively step in, that would influence, and would recharge & change the set up of the National Party?

Some may say I am dreaming, but why let an opportunity go by.

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Chuck Bird
Chuck Bird
Reply to  Simpleton1
20 days ago

I would hope Erica Stanford as PM and Simeon Brown as Deputy.

Peter William’s view is worth a listen.

https://rcr.media/episodes/peter-williams-on-politics-luxons-mmp-folly/

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Chuck Bird
20 days ago

So you want a(nother) Green as PM?

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  FJA
20 days ago

Yes, ES is working on censorship of social media platforms by digital ID for under 16 year olds – so that will catch the majority of adults. She is definitely too nanny state for me.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  waikatogirl
20 days ago

Agree. I don’t have a problem with reducing Social media for kids, but that should be parents doing it. Trying to control social media is ultimatly going to fail, and reduce freedoms for adults.
I work in a senior school. The phone ban is a joke. The kids have either got around it or worked out which teachers don’t care….

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Viking
Reply to  rightoverlabour
20 days ago

I thought that way to until this week. I have seen what social media is doing to a 13-year-old girl. It’s really frightening for her family, and somehow someone got her tangled and twisted her mind. Good family but as rol says, they find a way.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  waikatogirl
20 days ago

To the Green’s credit, they don’t support the under 16 social media ban.

Hmm, just wondered though, if that’s so party members can groom kids. 🤔

nasska
Reply to  FJA
20 days ago

Bussy (they/them) never sleeps!

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Chuck Bird
20 days ago

Well Chuck, I am not so sure about Simeon Brown any more. If his effort as National’s Campaign Manager is anything to go on to date, then strategy and planning and keeping his MP’s including Nude Nut in line and on point is very weak indeed. Track record count for lots and Mr Brown’s efforts are not so flash so why would it be any different as DP?

Ross12
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
20 days ago

Over on Good Oil they are saying Sean Plunkett is saying the drums are beating and rolling Luxon is on the cards –the MMP issue was the last straw.
If it happens I hope Standford is not the answer ( she is doing a good job with education and she is a “Teal”)
I disagree with TAH re Simeon Brown. They have played the usual BS game with him –load anyone who is a threat with loads of works so they cannot get their ducks in a row. They did the same with Judith Collins –pushed her out and then gave her heaps of portfolios so she was forced to keep her head down. She was Attorney General plus 3-4 other significant portfolios —Finlayson just had the AG role.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Ross12
20 days ago

Rolling Luxon now would ensure Hipkins gets in. Leave it as is and worry about this after the election. Luxon has issues, but he is a damn sight better than Hipkins. If Labour gets in watch Aussie emigration surge. Then once the intelligent have left all you have remaing are Lefty Greeny Feral Cunts.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Ross12
20 days ago

Collins is an evil bitch and deserved to be pushed out.

Viking
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

No argument here.

nasska
Reply to  Chuck Bird
20 days ago

If the Nats roll him the advantage still accrues to Hipkins as voters punish parties who swap jockeys mid race.

The difference is that we won’t have to put up with his vacuous face & inanities for another four months.

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Chuck Bird
Chuck Bird
Reply to  nasska
20 days ago

Last election, the Nats had 43 electorate seats and 5 list seats.
According to the latest poll, Nats would have 31% or 40 seats. So if the Nats get 40 electorate seats, no one would get in on the list.

All Nat MPs know this.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  nasska
20 days ago

Rolling the leader worked for Labour with Jacinda, alas.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

She had tits. Idiots vote that way…..

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

The naive fell for her crocodile smile and fake “kindness”.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Starving Artist
20 days ago

Maybe National should put a rat with large teeth in a dress and run it. As you said – it worked for Labour.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
20 days ago

The real intention behind CoGovernance, which can also be seen in Britain, from their own mouths.

Anas Sarwar has been given a peerage by Andy Burnham meaning he can enter Government as an unelected minister

This video is a reminder that Anas previously claimed his goal was to have Pakistanis take power in the UK
https://nitter.net/BasilTheGreat/status/2079821570092998852#m
51 secs : 22nd July, 2026

If any doubt, just scroll a little down in the comments to see & hear what his father claims. : 19 secs.

To scroll down, hear what the Tory,Uni Party leader David Cameron was saying back in 2009. : 54 secs
All in the name of the Hegelian Dialectic “Welcome”

All enabled by the many traitors who lead many people using the “kindly” Heleglian dialectics that entrap many people to accept as the inevitable conclusion.

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waikatogirl
waikatogirl
20 days ago

The tolerance for “indigenous violence”. A disgusting, needless, cowardly attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLr6651EC9w
With rising indigenous crime, is New Zealand now unsafe for tourists?
THE ANGLO SAXON

In this episode of the Anglo Saxon Show we take a look at Thomas Nathan’s attack on tourist Josh Storer; and ask whether Nathan will get away with homocide?

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waikatogirl
waikatogirl
20 days ago

Ireland’s sadistic govt

Pedigree herd of 51 healthy cattle shot by Dept of Ag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTj1EiZrqcg
SHOCKING: Healthy ‘pedigree’ cattle SLAUGHTERED in Northern Ireland in broad daylight
GBNews

Fifty-one pedigree cattle were shot in broad daylight in County Tyrone, sparking widespread outrage across Northern Ireland and raising serious questions about how the incident was handled. The animals, described as healthy pedigree cattle, were destroyed as part of an official operation, with the scale of the cull leaving local farmers and residents shocked. The incident has prompted a formal investigation, with many demanding answers over why the ani …

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nasska
20 days ago

No relief offered by the announcement of National’s party list. The plonkers are protected & the competent are left to fend for themselves. DPF on Flightlessbirdblog has done a chart that shows how many seats National would receive at various percentages of the list vote cast in the coming November elections.

30% would likely give no list seats. He has done calculations that suggest “National gets one List MP at 31%, three at 32% and four at 33%.”

Willis, Brownlee & Lu are not protected by electorate seats & Bishop will lose his.

Viking
Reply to  nasska
20 days ago

Bishop might retain his seat. Would you vote for Ginny?

nasska
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

I’d spoil my voting paper before I ticked either of them.

Viking
Reply to  nasska
20 days ago

Really, you are a McNulty fan. That would be a degraded choice.

Viking
20 days ago

GOOGLE SHOULD CALL THEIR BLUFF
Let’s be honest: this increasingly sounds like someone wants to be paid to “guard” the data.
Google built a useful pronunciation tool and agreed that the Māori Language Commission would retain ownership of the language data. Yet that still isn’t enough. Now the data apparently needs another Māori-controlled storage system, another governance model and probably another stream of funding.
Does Google genuinely need this drama? Te reo Māori matters in New Zealand, but globally it serves a tiny audience. Google is providing the technology and worldwide platform—not begging for access to some vast commercial goldmine.
Google should make its position simple:
We’ll provide the tool under clear, workable conditions. If every step requires more control, bureaucracy and expense, we won’t provide it at all.
Then let those demanding absolute control finance, build and operate the entire system themselves. You cannot demand Google’s technology and reach while insisting everything must be done exclusively your way.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-ao-maori/934607/maori-data-in-maori-hands-experts-want-google-to-adhere-to-data-sovereignty-principles?fbclid=IwY2xjawTjvEdwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkEDIyMjAzOTE3ODgyMDA4OTIAAR5ekMoY9A19NBhmn2EnAs2XFPafCF3c3VlcrpsS45VLsA3NJa9uP5SMwQz-eg_aem_XW5EUJtw1puEkX9ylj_zUw

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

If Google denied them they’d expect the taxpayer to fund and govt to enforce protection for their treasured language.

nasska
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

……”Te reo Māori matters in New Zealand,”……

A gross exaggeration!

Viking
20 days ago

this is long but its copied from his post.
POLICE TO BRIAN TAMAKI: YOU CAN NEVER HOLD A GUN AGAIN.
Passionate Speech is not Hate Speech.

If it can happen to me, you could be next.

Yesterday, New Zealand Police issued me with a notice revoking my firearms licence.

According to the Firearms Safety Authority, I will not be getting my firearms licence back.

This follows the temporary suspension issued to me on 30 June and the subsequent submissions made by my lawyer opposing that suspension.

The decision goes even further.

I am now prohibited not only from possessing my own firearms, but from possessing or using a firearm even under the supervision of a licensed firearms holder.

After holding a firearms licence for many years without issue, Police have now decided I am no longer a “fit and proper person”.

And why?

Four of the five matters relate to statements I made concerning the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi.

To recap…I was publicly challenging serious human-rights issues in India under Modi’s leadership, including reports of:

• Christians being killed and persecuted.
• Sexual violence and attacks against Christian women and girls.
• Churches being attacked and burned.
• Child marriage and the treatment of vulnerable children.

These are serious matters worthy of public debate.

I was speaking passionately. I was protesting. I was challenging what I believed needed to be challenged.

Passionate speech is not hate speech.

And controversial political speech should not suddenly become grounds for removing someone’s legal rights simply because those in authority dislike the language being used.

That is why this case should concern more New Zealanders than just me.

POLICE SAY THEY SUPPORT FREE SPEECH

Inspector Glenn Nalder, who made the decision to revoke my licence, says his decision was made independently, impartially and in accordance with the Arms Act 1983.

Police deny political interference.

The decision itself acknowledges the importance of freedom of expression.

Police state:

“Police is not concerned, either generally or in this particular case, with expressions that another person might find confronting.”

They also say:

“Police is not concerned with your apparent desire to protest the visit by the Prime Minister of India. Police is not concerned with low level disobedience in the context of protest.”

That sounds reassuring.

But then comes the paragraph that should concern every New Zealander who values free speech:

“The Police position is that your words speak for themselves. Your speech appears prepared and considered, and your statements were calculated, direct, unequivocal, and repeated. This is not a situation where an off the cuff or spur of the moment remark or phrase escaped without proper forethought. You encouraged and promoted violence and significant property damage. You say you have no history of threatening violence or ‘causing social harm through such fears.’ Police disagree.”

Think about what is being said here.

My words are central to the decision.

Not an allegation that I misused a firearm.
Not an allegation that I threatened somebody with a firearm.
Not a history of unsafe firearms handling.

In fact, the decision itself acknowledges:

“I have taken into account that you have held a firearms licence for many years and, until recent events, no question has been asked of your fitness to possess firearms.”

Yet the verdict is:

“On balance I am not satisfied you are fit and proper to possess firearms.”

That contradiction deserves scrutiny.

I WILL BE SEEKING A REVIEW

I now have 28 days to apply for a review of this decision.

You can be certain that I will.

Before doing so, I am awaiting the investigation file I have already requested from Police. My lawyer needs to examine the evidence and material relied upon before the review is lodged.

If necessary, we will take this further through the courts.

I will fight this.

I will fight for free speech.

I will fight for my right to hunt and put meat on the tables of South Auckland families.

And I will fight to make sure no Kiwi has their rights stripped away simply because the Government doesn’t like what they say.

Today it’s me. Tomorrow it could be you.

WHAT ABOUT MARK MITCHELL?

I will continue asking questions about Minister Mark Mitchell and the obvious potential conflict between his two portfolios.

Mark Mitchell is both Minister of Police and Minister for Ethnic Communities.

Ethnic community groups complained about my statements concerning Modi.

I was publicly challenging Modi’s human-rights record and opposing his visit to New Zealand.

Mitchell, meanwhile, was part of the Government welcoming Modi to New Zealand.

Then Police moved against me.

Police say there was no political interference.

Fine. Then there should be nothing to hide.

I’m not simply going to take their word for it when the consequences for me are this serious.

If this ends up in court, I intend to call Mark Mitchell and have these questions answered under oath.

Was there any communication about me or my firearms licence…formal or informal (in the backseat of a car)…involving Mitchell, his office, Police or Ethnic Communities?

If there wasn’t, they need to prove it.

If there was, New Zealanders deserve to know.

THIS IS BIGGER THAN MY GUN LICENCE

Some people will say:

“It’s Brian Tamaki. It doesn’t affect me.”

Wrong.

You don’t have to agree with me.
You don’t have to like what I said.
You don’t even have to like me.

Because free speech isn’t just about protecting speech you agree with.

It’s about protecting the speech you don’t.

Today, my words have been used to declare me “unfit” to hold a firearms licence.

So where does it end?

Today it’s my gun licence.

Tomorrow could it be your licence? Your job? Your livelihood? Your rights?

Because once we accept that authorities can punish a Kiwi for political speech they consider too confronting, every New Zealander should be concerned.

That’s why I’m fighting this.

Not just for my firearms licence.

For the right of every Kiwi to speak freely without fear of what the State might take from them next.

Passionate speech is not hate speech.

Truth is not hate speech.

And free speech isn’t free if you can be punished for using it.
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Viking
20 days ago

 
        Nicola Willis’s father is James Willis.
 He is the chairman of the new Z Energy Corporation a publicly listed company focused on oil and gas exploration and production. Prior to this role he worked for 25 years for Bellgully as a corporate law partner and later managed an Australian oil and gas exploration group.   According to Wikipedia

Ross12
Reply to  Viking
20 days ago

Have Z Energy started looking for oil and gas after Infratil sold out ? If they have I would have thought their main focus would still the petrol stations which may help fund the exploration.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Ross12
20 days ago

Now who’s AI can be more wrong????
Or the wrong Chairman.

via AI to wiki.
Z Energy has not engaged in upstream oil and gas exploration.
Its core business remains the distribution and retail of transport fuels through service stations under the Z Energy and Caltex brands.
Petrol stations and fuel supply are indeed its primary focus and revenue source

The company does not own or explore oil fields, functioning strictly as a downstream fuel distributor.

: After Infratil and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund created the brand and gradually sold down shares, Z Energy later became a subsidiary of Australian petroleum group Ampol

Last edited 20 days ago by Simpleton1
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