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  1. I just posted this on the previous thread – didn’t think you lot were up yet 🙂

    I have drawn a similarly unflattering picture of Justin Trudeau on a piece of dried dog turd I found in the street. Will Justin pay for my flight to Canada and accommodation so I can present it to him in person? I bet this Indian chancer would like to come here to present his dubious “artwork” to Cindy – and she’s stupid enough to encourage such nonsense – but will he go home again afterwards?

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  2. I heard Barry Soper on the radio last night saying that he has heard Colmar Brunton have been polling again, so we might see a TNVZ poll soon.
    As they often say “The next poll will be interesting”

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    • I have no idea how National are tracking but my insider tells me Labour are very underwhelmed with their Internal Polling, and banking on the Royal Wedding next year to revive ‘Jacindamania’….

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          • Our very own Chucky is supposed to be down there. Will he report back to us with some juicy goss?

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            • I am sure that he will report back, well based on the discussion we had at Tim McIndoe’s forum anyway. What is more I am sure that he will impart some of our wider concerns, where they align with his.

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          • Perhaps she got free accommodation with Jami Lee last time but this time JLR is not there 🙂

            The nasty tart would only have nasty things to say and spin fake news crap if she was.

            They are a particularly nasty and spiteful lot at TV3 although I have not seen it this year I can’t imagine they have changed.
            O’Brien, Burr, and Gower to name a few dirtbags and liars.
            Even their supposed poll numbers a month ago are very dubious and significantly different from other numbers.
            They are not a source of news – just hate, rumours they start, and vindictive tripe.

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          • I am sure that she is totally unsullied, where’s the Irish one gone and why do they only drag out the ex-Green MP’s daughter occasionally. Is that ageist?

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    • The problem is that the polls are largely unrepresentative (Trump, Brexit, Aussie etc prove this over and over again).

      Also, whatever they are gauging is a choice between two unpalatable and unrepresentative options presented to the electorate:
      a) the progressives in the CoL
      or
      b) the progressives in Labour Lite National

      Apathetic levels of support for one horrible choice or the other horrible choice – hardly represent the will of the people.

      So long as we continue to be faced with trying to choose which of the denizens of the swamp is the “least horrible” choice the polls show nothing useful.

      The MSM will continue their CNN-like behaviour over the worst government in history. The ‘we was robbed’ National party will continue to operate on the basis that ‘they know best’ and ‘it’s their turn’ in 2020.

      I’m torn between voting for NZF – in the hope that they continue to be the poster child for the cancer of MMP (hoping that NZ will allergically purge the blight of MMP) and ACT might emerge like a sleeping titan of sensible conservatism.

      Sadly, I see no one on the horizon who is ‘orange’ enough to save us. I’m loving Boris’s Cabinet – I particularly love that Priti Patel chick – the one that wanted the death penalty returned.

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      • Before the last election I was vocal on another blog in saying that I would never vote for a party which has that despicable creature Shane Jones on its list.

        You might be half joking…. but even for a laugh, please don’t even suggest voting for NZF. Jones will soon not only be wanking off our money with his corrupt PDF, but he will likely be their leader.

        Don’t ever think of voting for these unprincipled scum.

        ACT, however, might be a different story. Let’s see what they say and do in the lead up to the next election…… waiting……

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        • Yes. I think you are right. NZF had the lowest of expectations to meet last time around, yet they’ve managed to fall short of them. My heart tells me that the sell out on the UN race replacement pact will be a death knell for the least deserving of all NZ’s political parties.

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  3. Jacinda went to Aussie and tried to encourage Australians to invest in New Zealand. Then the Aussie investors thought about it and before making a decision they looked at NZ’s biggest newspaper and saw today’s cartoon.
    An Aussie said;
    “Farrk, mate, they want me to invest in a country that takes the piss out of investors? No way!”

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    • yes why would the COL think that people would want to invest in a country with an ant investment government.
      If it was not so serious I’d laugh.

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      • Who would want to invest in a new development here, when you risk ferals and greenies squatting and trashing the place before you’ve even built anything?

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      • No foreign company of note would invest in a country which has effectively banned oil and gas expansion and where some cockroach declared upon announcing a new government, no less, that capitalism has failed.

        If it wasn’t so tragic, our country would be comedy gold. I’m waiting for Sky City to host the first Venezuela-Aotearoa Business and Friendship Conference. That’ll be a grand opportunity for our political masters to learn new strategies for how to completely fuck a country.

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        • SkyCity has the bedtime reading for the ‘Venezuela-Aotearoa Business and Friendship Conference’ sorted with the 2nd religious story of the climate emergency added to the Gideon bible. Climate emergency = religion for socialists.

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          • Yeah I read that on a previous thread here – which which was why I chose them for the conference! LOL

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  4. What’s that picture of? Are Jacinda’s followers now finding her image on things? (Like people see the Virgin Mary on bits of toast etc?)

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      • Looks like the locals sleep was interrupted by a pack of yahoos having a ‘gathering’ so the sleep deprived dealt to them?

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      • A regular occurrence so it wouldn’t be that they didn’t know. Just that they were tired out and sleeping after attacking all the law-abiding citizens and removing their guns. The shit heads need to get their priorities right. Go after the crims.L eave law abiding people alone.

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  5. Our rating on Alexa is now 816. For us to get this low means there are a shit load of visitors coming here every day and reading our conversations. The number of comments has remained fairly steady so the increase is from new visitors to ysb.
    I will do a post tomorrow with more in depth information about it.

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    • And monster insights is owned by google.
      Yes at this stage I think we can. They have bigger fish to fry than worry about us.

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      • I visit here each day now, but don’t often comment. The good thing is that if I do comment, i don’t have to wait 2 or 3 hrs for my comment to appear, which is where Kiwiblog has fallen down badly in my view, particularly if your comment relates to a current discussion. Yes, I’m afraid Tarrant has won as far as Kiwiblog is concerned.

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    • I feel guilty I haven’t been on here as much the last week or so, as I support this 100 %, but work is really starting to take off for my business and I want to make $$$ 🙂 YSB Rocks!

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      • Work takes priority when you support yourself and your family. Good to hear it’s onwards and upwards for your business. The taxman will be very pleased with your ‘contributions’.

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          • Pfft I caught no eels, I think it was the hawks, I have made some wind equipment, out of plastic fly strips lol, but there are some interesting things going on down in my neck of the woods regarding building permits and staffing in Otorohanga. We have projects at Waikeria and a new Dairy factory happening here for a start.

            With a law degree and having set up and owned a Real Estate Company, I have some knowledge and contacts, thanks muchly.

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        • LOL i work for Local Govt as a contractor from my home office- are you familiar with the NZ Building Code? You’re hired!

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    • I this case I think yes.
      When you look at the top sites they all make sense.
      Eg banks and news media and porn sites are all at the top as they are the sites that lots of people visit every day.
      But here in NZ the results can be skewed as there are not enough people using Alexa.

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      • What has using Alexa got to do with it? All it does is collate the visit numbers for each site.

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      • …..”here in NZ the results can be skewed as there are not enough people using Alexa”……

        From what I gather Alexa is an analytical company that sells its services to people trying to drive traffic to their websites. From Alexa:

        ……”Website traffic statistics, including Alexa Rank, engagement metrics, referral sources, and more for any site in our database.”……

        IOW they hold info for just about every site in the www regardless of whether the site owners or visitors use Alexa. They make the data on visits available as a marketing tool for their own product.

        On a lighter note, back in the good ol’days on Kiwiblog when baiting Redbaiter rivalled rugby as a Saturday afternoon sport I used to quote the latest Alexa ratings for ‘Trueblue’. Pointing out the news that his execrable grouping of hard right nutjobs was heading further down the shitter was the modern equivalent of bear-baiting. 🙂

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    • I suspect 90% of the ‘silent’ visitors are the Stasi NZ Police doing a stocktake of people to put on their ‘hate speech’ non-list.

      The fascists of the left will be working out whether they need to label this an Islamophobic, white supremacist alt-right blog to start the discrediting process before an uptick in politics in 2020.

      But congrats on a stellar rise in the blogosphere – kind of like the Brexit party of the blog world.

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  6. Lets hope something dynamic comes out of the National ParTy conference this weekend.
    Like an attack plan with some good doses of reversing and doubling down on all the COL’s measures so far.

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  7. And how did it come to the attention of our hallowed press? If anything shows what a soft touch we are seen to be now, that has to be, how cheaply ‘we’ sell ourselves to the world.

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  8. If Climate Change is all about “real science” then why …..

    Was NZ’s lead author on the IPCC not a real scientist?

    You’d have been forgiven for thinking that the UN’s Trojan horse project to destroy the western world International Panel on Climate Change was all about real science (ie meteorology, geology, marine biology, climate science, physics, oceanography etc).

    But no! NZ’s lead author on the IPCC was a social scientist! How the fuck does that make any sense at all? Surely when the prediction of a preventable apocalyptic event is premised on scientific evidence and fantasy robust modelling – the lead author has to be someone who has unimpeachable credentials in the science being debated – or is that just me being all logical and reasonable again?

    Why then was Professor Bronwen Hayward NZ’s – Associate Professor of Political Science at Canterbury – lead author on the last IPCC? Surely a political scientist would only be involved if you are trying to engineer a skewed political outcome and not when good quality science is required?

    Or is the science only just a bit of window-dressing to provide a flimsy excuse for a cynical globalist cabal’s political manipulation of the masses?

    I’ll be looking froward to an Associate Professor of Quantum Mechanics giving us all insightful political commentary when the 2020 General Election comes around – pass me a Tui!

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    • My gut reaction ones. One can never foretell what will hit that funny bone.

      Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: “Does this taste funny to you?”
      My dog can do magic tricks. He’s a Labracadabrador.

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  9. Re Alexa ratings I just noticed that Trademe has gone up to number 4.
    They have been number 5 for many years.
    My Kiwibank is on 33

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      • Good one Rachael.
        I’m hoping my cap arrives any day soon, unless the COl has got to NZ post….

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      • I had 5 police people (4 men and a girl) come to my house the other day looking for a guy who falsely gave my address as his. There was a warrant out for his arrest.
        On reflection I was lucky they did not come for me as I had ordered one of the caps, or that I was a member of YSB, or that I had emailed Ardern about her paper bag and oi mining bans.

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        • That seems like a lot of Cops looking for a guy who is WTA mate! Are you sure it wasn’t Jacinda’s ‘ ‘Geheime Staatspolizei’ squad looking to sniff out anyone with (*Gasp!) ‘Right Wing’ Political views??

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  10. How do Normal People change a lightbulb?
    They go to the cupboard where they keep the spare lightbulbs and replace it.
    Time spent: 1 minute
    Cost: $2.00
    How do Liarbour change a lightbulb?
    First they form a working group of 20 people to study the problem.
    They hire two more people to conduct the environmental impact study.
    They hire another person to handle administrative tasks such as paperwork.
    The committee holds public hearings to determine the most efficient way to change the bulb.
    The committee accepts bid from various contractors offering to replace the bulb.
    The committee votes and selects a contractor.
    A Union files a work injunction and a legal suit against the Govt for accepting a bid from a non-Union shop. After a few months of legal proceedings the court rules in favour of the union.
    The committee votes again to select another contractor.
    The contractor tries to install a new bulb but is prevented by protesters from the environmental group Green Peace assisted by the tangatwhenua, Iwi and Hapu.
    Police are ordered to remove the protesters. Finally, the contractor installs the bulb.
    Time spent: 18 months
    Cost including salaries and court costs: $2,650,002.00 (the $2 is for the light bulb).

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    • That is why unemployment is down in Wellington so many losers in bureaucracy.
      I can’t wait for National to get back in and boot them all out.
      Especially anyone working in a Maori named organisation.

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      • They are all employed either on one of the 279 working groups or suppling services to on.
        It’s cost 317mill so far and when the end, Wellington is going to turn into a desert, tumbleweeds will be blowing up the street!

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      • Ha, they won’t do anything of the sort. We need a Roger Douglas for that to happen. The National socialists are as bad as the Labour communists.

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    • yes but one of the guys was in a fight at the house before.
      So who caused that?
      Just saying…
      And then a thug kills a security guard at a supermarket and gets Home Detention.

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      • Or be prepared to stay away over night. Are there any rules around temporary accommodation in tents? Health and safety, toilets? Food prep?

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        • You think they’re going to enforce our Pakeha “racist” Health License nonsense? It will soon, if not already, become a shantytown slum. And we will still be paying them for this shit. They sure do like Pakeha MONEY.

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          • I was also thinking about illegal buildings on Marae etc and whether they were going to be caught under the new ‘and garages’ law?

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      • Yes indeed. Very well said Rachael. We know that Soros money has started to emerge in NZ. It’d be naive to assume that the same ‘renta-mob’ practices that are so widely deployed in the US are not being used here. I wonder how many of them come prepared with loaded debit cards – like the refugees in the southern border migrant caravan.

        My fear is that after Podesta’s appearance in NZ early March that the unfathomably evil do not see NZ as a kind of test-tube for trying out destabilising of a nation. The disarmament plan has been far easier than even the most cynical could have dreamed – they will be emboldened!

        And Ihaumata has all the looks of a ‘created’ protest. Fascism in NZ – this is what it looks like.

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        • I am curious about the white woke folk who are involving themselves in what is a generational scrap amongst an iwi. This matter has already been before courts local and international, even a UN body I believe.
          All it demonstrates to me is the words Maori and land can’t be relied upon.

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            • Nah the tangatawhenuas used to raise and eat pigs there. The bones will be everywhere. No Mosque there.

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    • yes Ardern should have backed the iwi and the police with a a firm statement three days ago.
      Not set up another working group
      Now it will drag on for weeks as more and more bus loads of losers arrive, plus 3 Green Mps’ and half the Labour Maori caucus.
      And Hone Hawiriwa

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    • Thanks for the link Harvey. I have always loved the Civilian’s delicious humour, but I had almost given up on visiting because of the long gaps between postings. Great stuff, cheers!

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  11. Lost the link but this comment was made by David Seymour on the Ihumatoa quagmire Cindy has reluctantly waded into before swanning off on holiday.

    “The Prime Minister just made a decision that could be career defining if the Ihumātao development now doesn’t go ahead,” according to ACT Leader David Seymour. “Jacinda Ardern has legitimised unlawful behaviour by capitulating to an illegal occupation as her opening move.” “The PM has cultivated a brand of a kinder, more inclusive politics, but some things such as occupying private property are always wrong. She has just sent the message: ‘if you occupy private property, the Government will take your side instead of protecting property rights.'” “It appears that the Prime Minister has prevented the legal owners of land from carrying out a consented development, and offered the protesters a seat at the table. “I hoped Jacinda Ardern might have some sort of master plan to persuade the protesters to back down, but instead she is leaving to spend three days in Tokelau, a country whose population is a quarter of Kaitaia’s.'”
    -David Seymour

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    • Cindy’s decision to get involved with Ihumatoa has been forced with pressure from her COL fragmenting over this with Labour not wanting to get involved in private property rights but the greens joined the protesters. Willy Jackson said on the AMShow that he supports the kaumatua of the marae who have a contract with Fletchers to build housing for maori people, but now younger members of the same marae are protesting the use of the land. Cindy has left her ‘maori caucus’ to wade into this quagmire while she swans off on holiday.

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      • Jacinda’s Foreshore and Seabed moment lol. She teased Maori too. What a naughty white person.

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      • Tova’s headline ‘Simon Bridges too caught up in his Nationa;l Party convention to care about the protests in Akl’. He doesn’t deserve to be PM lol.
        Nothing about the actual PM.

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    • I can’t find the video when Cindy made the announcement she was stopping building on the Fletchers Ihumatoa site but she looked decidedly embarrassed. She knows she is in over her head and didn’t want to get involved. Did her COL partner the greens back her into a corner? Love it how Golly knows what Maori need. That woman imagines she knows what is best for all.

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      • Stopping building, suggests that there is building started. When sections behind my bach were ‘filled’ it was a swamp, they had machinery vandalised, windscreens smashed etc, the work was also undertaken by local iwi members.

        From my understanding sand from the forests out at Kawhia was used. The developers paid money to whoever said they had authority and others that didn’t get money didn’t agree. If that was how Maori operated back in the day it must have been shambolic. Shouldn’t part of Tikanga be respecting the Kaumatua and their decisions?

        Or is Tikanga only rolled out when it is convenient?

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      • I was just talking to a friend on messenger who is on her way to the ‘protest’ in Akl.

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        • I wouldn’t have put her down as a Maori radical, so the matter is having broader reach.

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          • As happens at most protests there are also Gangmembers also turning up to have a crack at the Police…(Which the media are refusing to report)
            I’d disown any friend who got involved with that rabble…

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    • And Bridges:
      Hoi.
      Oim Soimon.

      That’s all Iove got to say about that.

      A real leader would be getting cut-through like Trump by using Twitter and Youtube and rightly invadilating the lying media filth.
      Relying on talking to media in the hallway of Parliament and expecting them to present this on TV is for yesterday’s man.

      Guerrilla marketing is the way ..but when you are a Chimp there is not much one can do!

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    • Is there actually more gun crime or is it just being reported more? When a person is refused a gun licence renewal do they have to hand in their guns currently? What do the Police do?

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      • I know someone with an expired gun license that has been contacted by the police, they felt it was to make sure that her husband complied as he has guns, I do hope that police are taking care of other business, I thought that they were undermanned and under-resourced.

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    • Imagine my shock. The trouble with importing the third world is that they bring all their nasty, corrupt third world ways with them. It really is the height of stupidity.

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  12. My MAGA hat arrived today. I shall wear it tomorrow when I have a tough choice to make, attend a local gun hand in event or go shooting with one of the guns I am still allowed to own. Difficult decision I think you will agree but as the weather looks like being nice not that difficult!

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  13. I see Minto has turned up at the Maori land protest- And Labour MPs are starting to openly criticise the Police.
    I think most New Zealanders will be pretty disgusted by Ardern pandering to a bunch of violent, dropkick gangmembers and activists…

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    • She she should have told the protesters right at the start that it was an illegal protest, and let Fletchers get on with.
      Not my PM!

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      • So what the fuck has happened to the rule of law in this country? Or can we all pick and choose which ones to ignore? I think I’ll ignore the one about owning a MSSA rifle and will freely distribute Brenton Tarrants Left Wing Manifesto. Seems only reasonable.

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  14. From RNZ:

    …..”Ihumātao: Government ministers welcomed to protest site with powerful powhiri”……

    A ‘powerful’ powhiri. Okay then……all’s well.

    Nothing worse than a piss weak powhiri. 🙂

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    • So Government Ministers are protesting alongside Gangmembers against New Zealand Police (Who are lawfully upholding the Law/Peace)??
      This lunatic Government fucking disgusts me.
      I wonder how many other New Zealanders feel the same way?

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      • The snivelling Ministers are only there for the virtue signalling & publicity. Ditto for the sickly Pakeha clutching at the flax skirts of the perennial travelling Maori grievance brigade. It’s a Maori vs Maori problem & as it’s about tribally owned land it only concerns members of the iwi involved.

        Someone should call Weber Bros & see if they can rush a few merry go rounds & a hot dog stand out to Mangere.

        Then they can have a proper circus. 🙂

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        • Don’t worry, they’ll all be gone by Sunday night as they will have work to go to on Monday.

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    • Nothing worse than a piss weak powhiri at any time. Us Vikings knew how to do this. With a bloody sharp sword.

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  15. How lovely our Mad Queen has her face on a nut and not the boyfriends!
    New name,
    Nutinda,
    Jacnut,
    Jauntinda,
    Holidainda,
    What ever you call her, she’s bloody useless,
    Imagine when Charlie gets here, will she be fawning over him, or ignoring him!
    Did you see when she went to the protest, she had half a tree on her neck. No teatowel!

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  16. TVNZ reporting that the road roller attacked “car enthusiasts”. Bloody 500 unlawful boy racers being a damn noisy unwanted nuisance at 12.30am but they are now renamed “car enthusiasts”.

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      • When hell freezes over!

        Oh crap, with all this globby warming that will never happen.

        Car enthusiasts!
        Media filth remain lying bastards to the end of days.

        As usual in our topsy turvy world the citizen who took action because lazy crooked cops did not will be prosecuted.
        FUBAR.

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      • Eat McDonalds, ticket speedsters, attend PR events, harass law abiding gun owners and anyone who does not hold the correct political views?

        Do they have time for anything else?

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  17. Login issues:

    ” You must enter a password to proceed .”
    -roses

    ” Sorry, too few characters .”
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    -1FuckingPrettyRoseShovedUpYourArseIfYouDon’tGiveMeAccessRightFuckingNow!

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    • I will feel safe when our government stops letting muslims into to our beautiful western country.
      They will and their offspring will, cause us problems, violence and their evil laws and trying to impose their medieval ways on us.
      I will also feel safer when our government goes after all the gangs and their illegal guns and actividies.
      I will also feel safer when we get a government that restarts building the roads of National significance that will save many lives on well known major killer roads, instead of installing useless “road improvements” which will only slow traffic and cause frustration and risk taking.

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    • A good article W.M.

      Promises that the changes will prevent future mass shootings have quietly been dropped. Indeed, police have even started to say that the new laws are about making people “feel safe.” ….
      …. the focus in New Zealand is slowly shifting away from firm, well-defined outcomes and towards rhetoric that is intended to make people “feel safe.” But this raises its own set of troubling questions. ….
      …. to programs that soothe anxieties?

      Yip, virtual signalling, pieces of kindness, flowers, feelz, hugz, kissy wissies, hand-holding, hijabs, etc.. there, there go back to sleep,
      Will this be the program, Ardern calling for another national adhan, and put your burka on to be safe. Yeah right.

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  18. Do not be surprised if the changes in the RMA may include a money making set up as in the USA. 😉

    Dunedin [Florida] officials declined to be interviewed but insisted through a spokesman that the fines they impose are neither excessive nor abusive. Dunedin’s code enforcement policies are meant to “protect the integrity of neighborhoods and the quality of the community,” spokesman Ron Sachs said. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/07/19/florida-city-hits-homeowners-massive-penalties-supreme-court-excessive-fines/1691703001/

    Yet some believe a bit of long grass is being kind to the environment, but I guess it will always will be “follow the money”.

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  19. This always has been talked about, and Ardern could have lead the way in the world for poverddddy kids and their families.

    Australians receiving their unemployment benefits on the controversial cashless debit card scheme have revealed how the new system has changed their lives, for better or worse.

    The Indue cashless card was introduced in February in the Queensland regions of Bundaberg and Hervey Bay and can be only used at major chain stores such as supermarkets and participating retail outlets.

    The card’s trial, which is six months in, aims to stop people on welfare spending taxpayers’ money on alcohol, drugs and gambling. ….
    ….. if the trial is successful over the period of two years, he believes it should be rolled out nationally. …..
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7281689/Cashless-Centrelink-scheme-restricting-unemployment-benefits-spent-sparks-fierce-debate.html

    When can NZ start this?
    I guess our “kindness” government would never consider this.
    I know the system can be ‘rorted’ but it should help deliver more food, some on the table, shoes on the feet, etc..for the ‘poverddddy’ kids.

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    • Just another thing this crappy COl will never contemplate. They have dropped all reliable ways to measure performance of govt agencies. They will never introduce something that would piss off their voters. To deny them something for nothing just isn’t the Liarbour way. THe Greens are even worse.

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      • Ed. so right; “Let’s do this” is off the agenda,
        and not even to have a “conversation” or be put into a “working group” 🙂
        Do not want to scare their voters.

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    • A major drug problem, seeing their at least 8 “related stories” to the “county lines” problem.
      I believe there is a similiar problem in NZ, as drugs like meth being higher profit, are being pushed as the replacement to marijuana, seeing that may be soon legalized.
      The gangs are positioning themselves for territory, and into more provincial towns.

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  20. China does not mince about when it has the power.

    The world’s top Muslim governments didn’t just settle for abstract praise of China’s human rights. Instead, they explicitly defended China’s crackdown on Muslims in Xinjiang.

    “Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and de-radicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers,” the letter reads. “The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security.”

    The war of letters humiliated Western governments which had failed to convince a single Muslim country to sign on to a letter criticizing China’s crackdown on Muslims. And they humiliated the Muslim signatories who demonstrated that China could intimidate them into endorsing a crackdown on Islam.

    The People’s Republic of China’s idea of de-radicalization measures had allegedly included forcing Muslims to drink alcohol and eat pork, a ban on beards, hijabs and the name Mohammed.

    Even Qatar, whose Al Jazeera propaganda outlet has broadcast claims of Islamist oppression in Xinjiang, was finally forced to sign on to a letter that effectively disavowed what its own media has been saying.

    The Uyghur Muslims are a Turkic minority, its Islamists had sought to set up a separatist Turkic Islamic state, and the Islamist regime in Turkey had been vocal about their cause.
    Erdogan, the Islamist thug running Turkey, had in the past accused China of genocide. This year, the spokesman for Turkey’s foreign ministry had described China’s crackdown on Islamists as a “great cause of shame for humanity”.
    The spokesman had accused China of engaging in torture and brainwashing in concentration camps.

    But then Erdogan, the most aggressive national exponent of Islamist causes in the region, visited China, and declared,
    “It is a fact that the peoples of China’s Xinjiang region live happily in China’s development and prosperity.”
    Then he told critics to keep quiet to avoid spoiling Turkey’s relationship with the PRC.

    …. The People’s Republic of China doesn’t view insults and threats as an incentive for outreach. Instead, it uses its economic clout to reward or punish countries based on how those countries treat it. ….
    https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/effective-diplomacy-16-muslim-countries-endorse-china-forcing-muslims-to-eat-pork/

    So it seems ok that things do not have to be halal, enjoy so bacon, ham and pork, and ok wash that down with alcohol and be merry,

    An interesting comparison is made how China shows up the USA in dealing with muslim countries and the problems they create.

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    • As I have always said.
      Long live Sobeiski, Long live Hungary, Long Live Myanmar, Long Live Slovakia and now Long Live China.
      Banning naming their children Mohammed! I like it.

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