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    • “Security concerns” LOL. Like we get riots going off every day. Two Canadians with conservative views scared the crap out of Goff and Davidson.

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  1. Free Speech Coalition

    Dear Viking,

    It was standing room only today at the back of the Court for day one of our proceedings against Auckland Council and the Mayor for their de-platforming of two controversial speakers from Council-owned venues last year. Thank you to all of those members and supporters who came along.

    Our counsel, Jack Hodder QC, has now finished the opening submissions – the lawyers for the Council started this afternoon and will continue into the morning. The Human Rights Commission (who are appearing as ‘interveners’ in the proceeding) will present orally tomorrow, and then there will be submissions in reply.

    Now that they have been presented in Court, we can share with you our written submissions which are available to download here.
    Human Rights Commission arguing in favour of the council

    Until they are presented in Court, I am not allowed to share with you the submissions filed on behalf of the Human Rights Commission (HRC).

    But boy do I want to. The arguments of HRC seem to undermine the very legislation that established them in the first place. The undermining of fundamental freedoms of New Zealanders by an official organisation that is ostensibly dedicated to upholding those freedoms shows just how big our fight is. Believe it or not, the HRC argues:

    that freedom to form an opinion is only applicable in private – that freedom of thought does not extend to being allowed to adopt thoughts or beliefs at a public event;
    that consideration about “hateful and dangerous” speech “are relevant” for the Canadian speakers (despite there being no evidence before the Court that there was anything hateful or dangerous about the speakers) and therefore the Council should have been allowed to ban them;
    the “Heckler’s veto” (or “thug’s veto”) may be allowable under NZ law, even if US jurisprudence is strongly opposed to it; and
    there is a comparison between the proposed speaking event and gang headquarters.

    The New Zealand Human Rights Commission also make technical arguments in favour of the censorship, including:

    backing the Council’s view that it was acting as a commercial party and not in a “governance” role – and therefore the decision to cancel the event is not “judicially reviewable” by the Court; and
    our political discrimination argument should be heard only by the Human Rights Review Tribunal and not the High Court (a jurisdictional argument).

    Over the lunch break, I sat down with Jordan Williams, Patrick Corish, and Malcolm Moncrief-Spittle (an original ticket holder and the other applicant in these proceedings) for the podcast below.

    We invited representatives from the Human Rights Commission to justify the positions the HRC is taking in the Courtroom. They told us they would not be making public comment and wouldn’t come on the podcast to discuss it with us.

    This is truly David and Goliath stuff; never did I really think that we would have to put forward human rights argument against Auckland Council and also our Human Rights Commission. Your support is really appreciated.

    You can listen to the podcast online here, https://www.freespeechcoalition.nz/r?u=31LENR9BgsePFvyAr7aruH4vtzL-5HTg98olMm6PYIMHk17E1GORY5b-LevrU2eulAcum1jLat812VRUfzaCsRfFvUBj4iX3RCtmZApY6qwpHiUl5P73Dr9o1Wid46xXobL9Zp22QnO-mv5sPBB9HA&e=b199ce1dddedd8be0ac30a7c7a88dc6a&utm_source=freespeech&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=190902_day_one_update&n=3
    via Apple Itunes here,
    and via Spotify here.

    Thank you for your support and making our work possible.
    Dr David Cumin

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    Dr David Cumin
    Spokesperson
    Free Speech Coalition

    You’re Welcome
    They welcome donations to the Cause.
    This is an email copy so hence no link to the text.

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    • Thanks Viking.
      Free Speech, and to offend, that is if the listener wishes to be, is so important.

      The free speech has now changed to even so called “pre-crime prevention”.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/27/new-law-tackle-far-right-extremism-uk-tony-blair-thinktank

      The version in the USA is called “predictive policing”

      “The TAPS Act, Predictive Policing, and a PreCrime Dystopian
      Nightmare?”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN2xQGKnZx8
      19 min 55 secs.
      Threat Assessment, Prevention, and Safety Act= TAPS

      It seems that with that Free Speech is under fire all round the world and the immigrant Commissioners in Human Rights, have been educated to do the number on free speech in NZ.

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      • As Viking shows, the systems are being put in place.

        Both the Senate version (S. 265) and the House version (H.R. 838) of the bill contain an even more worrying provision. They ask to create:

        “… a grant program for states, local governments, tribal organizations, educational entities, and nongovernmental organizations to help establish community-based behavioral threat assessment and management units.”
        https://www.libertynation.com/the-tyranny-of-future-crimes-taps-act/

        Slipping through the systems and coming to a place near you!

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        • Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave. “Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.” Truer words have never been spoken. It explains leftie logic in one sentence.

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      • Time to get yourself a large German Shepherd dog. A friend of our’s moved to Hamilton and was sold a house that he wasn’t aware backed onto the local gang neighbourhood. His shepherd George was enormous and had a bark to match. George worked very well as a deterrent and alarm to any unwanted visitors.

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      • I’ll take death and mayhem over being silenced any day. Freedom is not up for compromise. Blair is a has-been, limp-wristed EU bootlicker.

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      • Real tough guys when they damn well know there will be no resistance. I remember one time a low-life punk got blown right through a liquor store window he was trying to rob when the clerk grabbed a 12-gauge and let him have it. Instant justice. It works.

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    • The HRC arguments are laughable. Are schools and universities considered private in their opinion –I certainly would not consider them private.
      Is sitting at an event listening to speakers (any speaker !!!) now to be banned because it is not private so the listener is not allowed to form an opinion.
      If the Coalition QC does not tear them to shreds they should ask for their money back.

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    • Peter Williams has been discussing the Free Speech coalition trial and read out what you posted above Viking. He is disappointed that no other msm in NZ is discussing or publishing this important court case.

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    • WG, I heard it on the radio this morning and thought it is about time. It is certainly one way of concentrating the minds of whet Tory Remoaners and their lobbyist patrons. Fall in line or face unemployment. If only the Torys had not selected May in 2016!

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      • Hullkiwi

        I think in hindsight we can see May was “appointed” by the elite to get around what they saw as a loss in the referendum. I think it was an attempt to change the situation in the same way they attempted the “silent coup” with President Trump.

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        • Ross12, I think you are right. It is always important to remember that British politics has always been “rotten” and it still is. The Remain side in the referendum was well funded, much of what was raised is still bring used to “buy” influence in the JK parliament. This would have also included funding May’s office and will explain why her negotiations were limp.

          Removing the whip from Remoaners and aligning with Farrage’s Brexit party wi kill off Labour and DimLib opposition!

          So, will Corbyn call BoJo’s “bluff”?

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          • It is certainly going to be interesting to watch the next few weeks. I see Blair has come out and said for Labour a snap election would be a disaster and the Conservatives would get a huge majority. I do not think so unless there is a very good alliance between the Conservatives and Farage’s team –if that happened Labour would be humiliated.
            As long as Boris does not agree to a watered down May agreement the UK will be fine, in my opinion.

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  2. Steve Maharey the Phamac boss thinks his Xmas has come early with the 60 million from the Government.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263828
    Three lots of drugs for different cancers are on the way, which means it could now ” make real inroads into funding medicine’s on our priority list.” Well if Steve Maharey thinks the drugs were this good why was the Prime Minister and the Health Minister holding out from their promises for two years that could have saved many lives.

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      • Well wouldn’t the easy answer be don’t promise what can’t deliver and give those that are needing these drugs for a better life false hope.

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      • Isn’t it the drug companies that are condemning people to death by charging so much?
        If any other entity was responsible for so many deaths by withholding treatment they would be charged with killing them wouldn’t they? Yes, yes I know corporates are there to make money, but so much?

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      • Why are Pharmac still consulting? Haven’t the Government kept them in the loop? How does that equate with next drug off the rank funding.

        Why announce the ‘policy’ on a Sunday prior to a non-sitting week?

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    • How much of the 60m, (only 20m this year, I thought) is being spent on cancer drugs? Not on contraception, meningitis et al mentioned in the article? Wasn’t this supposed to be a Cancer announcement?

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      • The Nats should not have announced an election plank this early as Labour will always outspend them to nullify Nationals otherwise good ideas. Save it until ten weeks out, them see the panic from Labour.

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  3. Pfft. You have not kept up with the loony Left. Blacks (e.g Candace Owens) and Asians (e.g Andy Ngo) can be white supremacist far right wingers apparently.

    No, wrong-think is the sole criteria.

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  4. Ardern and the COL seem to making things up regarding housing and health.
    They have been in power for 2 years now.

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  5. I used to have a picture of Helen Clarke pinned up on my wall when I was growing up,
    She was always a great influence for me.
    To be honest, I wouldn’t be the great darts player I am today if it wasn’t for her.
    Now to keep my eye in, I have a picture of Cindy which has the same affect.

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    • If they buy the statehouse they are in, that will reduce state housing stock, if it is into unwanted Kiwibuild houses, will it be for immigrants who live where they are told?

      Will there be the same bright-line test?

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      • What happens to the equity if they rent to buy but later want to sell and move somewhere else. Does their equity follow them? How much is this subsidy scheme going to cost taxpayers?

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        • And should benefits be advanced to cover the deposit like used to happen with the old family benefit, unfortunately, that presupposes being on a benefit for the life of the contract?

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    • Did you see the article I posted at some ungodly hour this morning, regarding the Greens letting the genie out of the bottle lol For once the media could read between the lines, how refreshing.

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      • He was well known for mental health issues apparently. If WINZ was the trigger why kill your family, let alone complete strangers?

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    • With all due respect to my friend Keith ( we were in the same shearing gang in the 70’s) I don’t think he is in the right place to be making such comments. One time I visited him in his rest home accommodation, he was adamant he would be going home in 3 months time. Last time I went he was still there. He will not be fully recovered any time soon.
      The next door neighbour was a mental health worker and they were concerned about Ross’s mental state before the tragedy occurred.
      Keith was an avid gun collector, but knew not to tell his son where the keys to his gun safes were.

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  6. I am looking forward to the Labour Youth Camp trial. It would be very interesting to see who if and is a witness for the defence. Happy and I will go up to Auckland on Thursday. Is anyone planning on going then or on another day?
    Anyone living in the Hamilton area can come with us on Thursday.

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    • But they gave the impression yesterday that ALL the $60 mill increase for Pharmac is going on cancer drugs. That is just another Liarbour lie

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      • No Parliament this week… heck, they’ve just done 2 weeks and next week, they go 3 weeks without a break.

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        • Can I have a consensus on ’till’, sorry to be a wanker, but there we go, we all have our peeves. I always thought that it was short for until. That would make it ’til?

          The ‘media’ do it a lot too.

          And few instead of less. Less is money. That’s all for now lol.

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          • Till and Until have the same meaning.
            Once upon a time till was treated as informal use (British English), but I thing that day has long past.

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            • Oh, but it should have been clear that if till has the same meaning as until in a sentence it is being employed as a preposition or conjunction.

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              • Till (noun) or Till (verb) are not synonyms of until…..but I don’t think that was Rachel’s peeve.
                Till (conjunction, preposition) has been in use since at least the 1590s.

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  7. Apparently The Mad Queen was waffling nonsensically on Mike Hosking’s show this morning?
    My wife said she was sounding like someone cracking under pressure…
    Must be time for another Taxpayer-funded Island holiday?

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    • I listened to it and I’m not sure that’s right. I think Mike’s derision is actually helping Ardern. He points out the inanity of her replies in the past and the world mocks her for ‘uhhm’ and ‘ahhhing’ through every response – and today she was better.

      Still her answers were a bit ‘babbly’ but she didn’t ‘uhhhm’ and ‘aaahm’ so much. This is a perfect example of how a robust opposition makes for good performance in a government. Now that Soimon has decided to oppose we’re seeing the CoL pick their shit up (ref the cancer agency announcement). I’m hopeful that National might oppose further gun opposition properly and announce a heavy-handed crackdown on guns in gangs – because Labour need someone to do their policy thinking for them and borrowing National’s stuff is a reasonable start.

      While Ardern was getting a free pass for everything because of pulling sadfaces and wearing a towel on her head – she was slacking off and treating everyone the voters like idiots.

      One thing though, we all know Ardern is like tits on a bull. I’d just wish Mike to return to his normal respectful style of interviewing when talking to her – the last thing I want is the best radio journalist in the land lowering himself to the level of the see you next Tuesday lot on RNZ.

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    • Yes, not so many umm and aarhs.
      It was all Mike this, and Mike that.
      But it was the COL’s lack of progress, and lack of solid policy and targets that got me laughing.
      Its all one big joke.
      As I’ve said before, the less they do, the bedda for us all.

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  8. I once worked for a real asshole who made me redundant as i wouldn’t work for his crappy wage, and rather than freak out with guns I went and found another job. True story.

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    • Like the image at the top of HYS – that behaviour of yours is very suggestive that you might be an alt-right, deplorable, white supremacist – only fucked-in-the-head socialists (like Tarrant) go on shooting rampages.

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    • Yeah, the same thing happened to Mama Bear. Her role was disestablished and after a year of gardening and thinking about what she wanted to do, she started working for herself. Now she sets her own hours and makes around 3 times what she used to.

      Also a true story 🙂

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    • I just remembered that I did something similar to myself when I was 16. I take back the creepy.
      It would be incorrect to say that my only tattoo is a cover-up but I did get the name Ian tattooed on my left upper arm when I was 16. The one I have now I got when I was 35 and is meaningful and it did cover a dot.

      Anyway, my mother was aghast and took me to a plastic surgeon, he recommended as a first resort to rub it out with salt on gauze wrapped around my finger, it was a dark deep tattoo done with a fountain pen nib and black Indian ink.

      I duly scrubbed it with the salt and when it scabbed I picked it off and the tattoo pretty much came off intact and I did think about preserving it in epoxy resin. The scab was thick too.

      At least that way I didn’t have to marry an Ian lol. And yes it hurt like the bejesus.

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      • Cripes, a tough way to get it off. I lived with my homebuilt tats for a few years and then got a couple of God awful “professional” ones to cover them.
        When I managed to get a few bucks behind me I had them removed by laser, that was painful enough.

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            • Every one what? Are you being cheeky Sooty?
              As I have sailed alone (not counting kids), for most of my adult life, other than the odd, ‘it must be me moment’. I am barely run in lol.

              And as I don’t have pity sex, I am all good ta.

              So anyhow, my tattoo is a white flower with a spider hidden in it, the legs being camouflaged, so you only see it if you get close. I can also assure everyone that the marijuana leaf added by the tattooist was not at my request lol.

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    • Oh dear, what a problem for the poor vegan. Can the neighbours counter claim for being sick of all her complaining? The judge has her measure. She needs to go and live somewhere isolated from normal people but the country and its smells would not be acceptable to her either. Moo!

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      • This sort of shit is coming to NZ real soon.
        If Labour and the Greens govern alone we can expect a full ban on BBQ meats…They are that fucking crazy

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        • Wait until the country folk uncover their silage pit. Now there is a smell you either love or will make you close all the doors and windows. Guess it is a little less intense these days with silage bails being more popular with farmers.

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  9. She’d just love me as a neighbour. In the summer I bbq every day, over coal not gas. Lots of yummy meat. My kids make a hell of a racket. I’d say “tough shit lady!”

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    • There is nothing better than a cold beer over a sizzling BBQ on a hot summer day…
      Fuck all those Lefty wankers who want to take such pleasures away from us!

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    • Oh and those noisy kids of yours better not be enjoying themselves pal…Oh no, there will be no enjoyment in our socialist vegan paradise.

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      • I have an issue with whistling, when I had my shop there was this one guy whose whistling I could hear from a long way away. Possibly something to do with my hearing register.

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    • Speaking of being henpecked.
      At a dinner party the other night my wife tried to embarrass me by telling our guests about an argument that’s been ongoing in our house hold.

      “Yes,” she said smugly. “He’s well trained, I have constantly reminded him to put the seat down after he’s used the toilet and like a good little boy, he now does as he’s told.”

      They all started laughing at me then one of her friends turned to me and said, “Haha, totally pussy whipped aren’t you!”

      “No not really,” I replied calmly. “I’ve just been pissing in the sink for the last 6 months.”

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    • I have had some vicious ones, birds are descended from dinosaurs, I well believe it. That one just sounds unlucky and no intent.

      Mine have intent, ducks can be vicious too. More to each other though.

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      • I don’t know why the ministry of health lot left it so long before attacking the obvious problem of a highly infectious disease and those who haven’t been vaccinated. Now we have potential for an explosion of numbers infected with up to 2 weeks before those who receive the vaccination to build up their immunity. Did they wait to panic the anti-vaxers into getting vaccinated? Have the health ministry put the vulnerable young and aged at more risk by waiting so long?

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        • Are you saying that it is Labour’s fault? Are you sure that they won’t find a way to excuse themselves from being responsible for anything negative?

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          • They are in charge. I don’t know if it is protocol to wait till the numbers explode but it seems to be asking for even more trouble to wait for a huge bubble of infected society before tackling the problem on all fronts.

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  10. I just heard Peter Beck on the radio.
    What an amazing guy
    I must admit that when I heard about Rocket Lab 4 years ago I scoffed at it.
    Now I really admire him, and what he is doing for NZ.
    He employs 500 people in Auckland and starts 5 news ones every week.

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    • My dear departed mother attended Te Awa School in Napier during the 1930’s [remembers the earthquake] and says it never happened there. I attended the same school in the 1950’s and it never happened then.
      Te Awa School in Napier is innocent of this ‘offence’ and does not need to apologise.

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    • I was taught by Nuns and Christian Brothers. They strapped the living daylights out of us for any indiscretion…(sometimes being in the wrong place at the wrong time)
      Do I get an apology? $$$ Compensation?? (Or am I the wrong skin colour?)

      *And yes I fully expect Nasska to arrive any minute and make some kind of joke about me being molested

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  11. Mama Bear came home and is chatting about the weather for the next week. Exciting stuff, I know, we’re planning a braai with people that won’t normally braai in -40 degrees snowstorms.

    She says: “I checked the advertising, and it’s horrible until next week!

    Had to chuckle at that. With the way the media and apologists are fucking with our climate, it is just about advertising rather than forecasting.

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    • She noted how the Treaty of Waitangi guaranteed Māori their full rights and benefits as citizens, yet more than 80 years after the establishment of the public health system, the outcomes for Māori are “still significantly poorer”.
      And what is the main cause of this poor performance?
      No personal responsability.
      If they took better care in their diet, not smoking and keeping off the booze and drugs, I am sure their health outcomes would improve

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    • Not sure what the cost of the report is too date but note the group needs to keep ploughing on to refine their recommendations. Given the interim piece we do have that is blaming colonisation, shutting them down now seems the wisest move.

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      • All rural people have worse access to health care.
        the medical centre is not next door.
        But white people are rural as well.
        And rural people don’t have access to good roads
        or good broadband.
        Or good shops
        But maybe they like the lifestyle!

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  12. Czech couple’s decision-making on deadly Great Walk tramp criticised
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115457620/czech-couples-decisionmaking-on-deadly-great-walk-tramp-criticised

    Dumb tourists wanted to save money by not staying in huts on the Routeburn while it was snowing in the mountains. Locals told them not to go.

    “In what Pizova would later say was “one of the big mistakes”, they decided not to notify anyone as they wanted to avoid paying for the use of huts on the track.”

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      • “Edy MacDonald, a social science manager at DOC…
        MacDonald said: “Young males ignoring warnings… is not restricted to New Zealand”. “Young males have a propensity for risk, especially physical risk.”

        What the actual fuck? So the female has no responsibility here either???

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  13. Maori should apologise to New Zealanders
    For giving our country a bad reputation
    For being abusive, violent, stealing and bashing tourists.
    For making us build more jails
    For making us look like a third world country with fat ugly guys in grass skirts jumping up and down, sticking their tongues out and calling it culture!

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  14. National could have some fun with Labour catch Phrase’s on Election hoarding if they were inclined. Like Let’s do this it felz so good if you go to Labour summer camps Jacinda will be there to help cover it up.

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      • From HC’s link:

        ……” On Tuesday, a second complainant – who was 16 years old at the time of the alleged offending – told the court there was a significant amount of drinking at the event.

        It was “drinking for the goal of getting absolutely hammered”, he said.”…….

        The article records that he had signed an agreement not to drink alcohol. Since when would that agreement hold up in court if the venue was a nightclub or pub? Ditto for a private party supervised by parents at a private address.

        The cops have hammered licensees for years. How the hell can they refuse to prosecute the organisers of the Karangahake Kiddie Kamp?

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  15. A group of about 7 black kids came into my store. They were all wearing their trousers down around their knees. I said to them directly, “You all aren’t dressed properly, you’ll have to get out.”
    The oldest one glared at me and hissed, “Show some respect… a rapper got shot and we’s wearin’ our trousers at half mast !”

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  16. A terrorist attack has blown away two houses in Syria. One was made of straw & the other made of wood.

    Police have said that it’s probably the work of a lone wolf.

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    • I would have thought this more to your liking.

      Two priests are driving down the road when they are stopped by two police officers.
      “We’re looking for two child molesters,” the officers tell them.
      The priests look at each other before they speak. “We’ll do it.”

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  17. Do the All Blacks have a choice in how they react to this?

    Competition is an inherent part of sport. It’s an inherent part of life in many things we do. Wouldn’t a better lesson at a young age be to lose gracefully, but to try and improve afterwards?

    “This includes pushing back against early specialisation, over-emphasis on winning, and other factors that are driving young New Zealanders away from sport.”

    The All Blacks. Preaching participation over winning?

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