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  1. Free Speech Coalition

    Dear Viking,

    It was standing room only today at the back of the Court for day one of our proceedings against Auckland Council and the Mayor for their de-platforming of two controversial speakers from Council-owned venues last year. Thank you to all of those members and supporters who came along.

    Our counsel, Jack Hodder QC, has now finished the opening submissions – the lawyers for the Council started this afternoon and will continue into the morning. The Human Rights Commission (who are appearing as ‘interveners’ in the proceeding) will present orally tomorrow, and then there will be submissions in reply.

    Now that they have been presented in Court, we can share with you our written submissions which are available to download here.
    Human Rights Commission arguing in favour of the council

    Until they are presented in Court, I am not allowed to share with you the submissions filed on behalf of the Human Rights Commission (HRC).

    But boy do I want to. The arguments of HRC seem to undermine the very legislation that established them in the first place. The undermining of fundamental freedoms of New Zealanders by an official organisation that is ostensibly dedicated to upholding those freedoms shows just how big our fight is. Believe it or not, the HRC argues:

    that freedom to form an opinion is only applicable in private – that freedom of thought does not extend to being allowed to adopt thoughts or beliefs at a public event;
    that consideration about “hateful and dangerous” speech “are relevant” for the Canadian speakers (despite there being no evidence before the Court that there was anything hateful or dangerous about the speakers) and therefore the Council should have been allowed to ban them;
    the “Heckler’s veto” (or “thug’s veto”) may be allowable under NZ law, even if US jurisprudence is strongly opposed to it; and
    there is a comparison between the proposed speaking event and gang headquarters.

    The New Zealand Human Rights Commission also make technical arguments in favour of the censorship, including:

    backing the Council’s view that it was acting as a commercial party and not in a “governance” role – and therefore the decision to cancel the event is not “judicially reviewable” by the Court; and
    our political discrimination argument should be heard only by the Human Rights Review Tribunal and not the High Court (a jurisdictional argument).

    Over the lunch break, I sat down with Jordan Williams, Patrick Corish, and Malcolm Moncrief-Spittle (an original ticket holder and the other applicant in these proceedings) for the podcast below.

    We invited representatives from the Human Rights Commission to justify the positions the HRC is taking in the Courtroom. They told us they would not be making public comment and wouldn’t come on the podcast to discuss it with us.

    This is truly David and Goliath stuff; never did I really think that we would have to put forward human rights argument against Auckland Council and also our Human Rights Commission. Your support is really appreciated.

    You can listen to the podcast online here, https://www.freespeechcoalition.nz/r?u=31LENR9BgsePFvyAr7aruH4vtzL-5HTg98olMm6PYIMHk17E1GORY5b-LevrU2eulAcum1jLat812VRUfzaCsRfFvUBj4iX3RCtmZApY6qwpHiUl5P73Dr9o1Wid46xXobL9Zp22QnO-mv5sPBB9HA&e=b199ce1dddedd8be0ac30a7c7a88dc6a&utm_source=freespeech&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=190902_day_one_update&n=3
    via Apple Itunes here,
    and via Spotify here.

    Thank you for your support and making our work possible.
    Dr David Cumin

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    Dr David Cumin
    Spokesperson
    Free Speech Coalition

    You’re Welcome
    They welcome donations to the Cause.
    This is an email copy so hence no link to the text.

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    • WG, I heard it on the radio this morning and thought it is about time. It is certainly one way of concentrating the minds of whet Tory Remoaners and their lobbyist patrons. Fall in line or face unemployment. If only the Torys had not selected May in 2016!

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      • Hullkiwi

        I think in hindsight we can see May was “appointed” by the elite to get around what they saw as a loss in the referendum. I think it was an attempt to change the situation in the same way they attempted the “silent coup” with President Trump.

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        • Ross12, I think you are right. It is always important to remember that British politics has always been “rotten” and it still is. The Remain side in the referendum was well funded, much of what was raised is still bring used to “buy” influence in the JK parliament. This would have also included funding May’s office and will explain why her negotiations were limp.

          Removing the whip from Remoaners and aligning with Farrage’s Brexit party wi kill off Labour and DimLib opposition!

          So, will Corbyn call BoJo’s “bluff”?

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          • It is certainly going to be interesting to watch the next few weeks. I see Blair has come out and said for Labour a snap election would be a disaster and the Conservatives would get a huge majority. I do not think so unless there is a very good alliance between the Conservatives and Farage’s team –if that happened Labour would be humiliated.
            As long as Boris does not agree to a watered down May agreement the UK will be fine, in my opinion.

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  2. Steve Maharey the Phamac boss thinks his Xmas has come early with the 60 million from the Government.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263828
    Three lots of drugs for different cancers are on the way, which means it could now ” make real inroads into funding medicine’s on our priority list.” Well if Steve Maharey thinks the drugs were this good why was the Prime Minister and the Health Minister holding out from their promises for two years that could have saved many lives.

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  3. I used to have a picture of Helen Clarke pinned up on my wall when I was growing up,
    She was always a great influence for me.
    To be honest, I wouldn’t be the great darts player I am today if it wasn’t for her.
    Now to keep my eye in, I have a picture of Cindy which has the same affect.

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    • With all due respect to my friend Keith ( we were in the same shearing gang in the 70’s) I don’t think he is in the right place to be making such comments. One time I visited him in his rest home accommodation, he was adamant he would be going home in 3 months time. Last time I went he was still there. He will not be fully recovered any time soon.
      The next door neighbour was a mental health worker and they were concerned about Ross’s mental state before the tragedy occurred.
      Keith was an avid gun collector, but knew not to tell his son where the keys to his gun safes were.

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  4. I am looking forward to the Labour Youth Camp trial. It would be very interesting to see who if and is a witness for the defence. Happy and I will go up to Auckland on Thursday. Is anyone planning on going then or on another day?
    Anyone living in the Hamilton area can come with us on Thursday.

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  5. Apparently The Mad Queen was waffling nonsensically on Mike Hosking’s show this morning?
    My wife said she was sounding like someone cracking under pressure…
    Must be time for another Taxpayer-funded Island holiday?

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    • I listened to it and I’m not sure that’s right. I think Mike’s derision is actually helping Ardern. He points out the inanity of her replies in the past and the world mocks her for ‘uhhm’ and ‘ahhhing’ through every response – and today she was better.

      Still her answers were a bit ‘babbly’ but she didn’t ‘uhhhm’ and ‘aaahm’ so much. This is a perfect example of how a robust opposition makes for good performance in a government. Now that Soimon has decided to oppose we’re seeing the CoL pick their shit up (ref the cancer agency announcement). I’m hopeful that National might oppose further gun opposition properly and announce a heavy-handed crackdown on guns in gangs – because Labour need someone to do their policy thinking for them and borrowing National’s stuff is a reasonable start.

      While Ardern was getting a free pass for everything because of pulling sadfaces and wearing a towel on her head – she was slacking off and treating everyone the voters like idiots.

      One thing though, we all know Ardern is like tits on a bull. I’d just wish Mike to return to his normal respectful style of interviewing when talking to her – the last thing I want is the best radio journalist in the land lowering himself to the level of the see you next Tuesday lot on RNZ.

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    • Yes, not so many umm and aarhs.
      It was all Mike this, and Mike that.
      But it was the COL’s lack of progress, and lack of solid policy and targets that got me laughing.
      Its all one big joke.
      As I’ve said before, the less they do, the bedda for us all.

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    • Like the image at the top of HYS – that behaviour of yours is very suggestive that you might be an alt-right, deplorable, white supremacist – only fucked-in-the-head socialists (like Tarrant) go on shooting rampages.

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    • Yeah, the same thing happened to Mama Bear. Her role was disestablished and after a year of gardening and thinking about what she wanted to do, she started working for herself. Now she sets her own hours and makes around 3 times what she used to.

      Also a true story 🙂

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    • I just remembered that I did something similar to myself when I was 16. I take back the creepy.
      It would be incorrect to say that my only tattoo is a cover-up but I did get the name Ian tattooed on my left upper arm when I was 16. The one I have now I got when I was 35 and is meaningful and it did cover a dot.

      Anyway, my mother was aghast and took me to a plastic surgeon, he recommended as a first resort to rub it out with salt on gauze wrapped around my finger, it was a dark deep tattoo done with a fountain pen nib and black Indian ink.

      I duly scrubbed it with the salt and when it scabbed I picked it off and the tattoo pretty much came off intact and I did think about preserving it in epoxy resin. The scab was thick too.

      At least that way I didn’t have to marry an Ian lol. And yes it hurt like the bejesus.

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    • Oh dear, what a problem for the poor vegan. Can the neighbours counter claim for being sick of all her complaining? The judge has her measure. She needs to go and live somewhere isolated from normal people but the country and its smells would not be acceptable to her either. Moo!

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  6. I just heard Peter Beck on the radio.
    What an amazing guy
    I must admit that when I heard about Rocket Lab 4 years ago I scoffed at it.
    Now I really admire him, and what he is doing for NZ.
    He employs 500 people in Auckland and starts 5 news ones every week.

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  7. Mama Bear came home and is chatting about the weather for the next week. Exciting stuff, I know, we’re planning a braai with people that won’t normally braai in -40 degrees snowstorms.

    She says: “I checked the advertising, and it’s horrible until next week!

    Had to chuckle at that. With the way the media and apologists are fucking with our climate, it is just about advertising rather than forecasting.

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    • She noted how the Treaty of Waitangi guaranteed Māori their full rights and benefits as citizens, yet more than 80 years after the establishment of the public health system, the outcomes for Māori are “still significantly poorer”.
      And what is the main cause of this poor performance?
      No personal responsability.
      If they took better care in their diet, not smoking and keeping off the booze and drugs, I am sure their health outcomes would improve

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    • Not sure what the cost of the report is too date but note the group needs to keep ploughing on to refine their recommendations. Given the interim piece we do have that is blaming colonisation, shutting them down now seems the wisest move.

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      • All rural people have worse access to health care.
        the medical centre is not next door.
        But white people are rural as well.
        And rural people don’t have access to good roads
        or good broadband.
        Or good shops
        But maybe they like the lifestyle!

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  8. Czech couple’s decision-making on deadly Great Walk tramp criticised
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115457620/czech-couples-decisionmaking-on-deadly-great-walk-tramp-criticised

    Dumb tourists wanted to save money by not staying in huts on the Routeburn while it was snowing in the mountains. Locals told them not to go.

    “In what Pizova would later say was “one of the big mistakes”, they decided not to notify anyone as they wanted to avoid paying for the use of huts on the track.”

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  9. Maori should apologise to New Zealanders
    For giving our country a bad reputation
    For being abusive, violent, stealing and bashing tourists.
    For making us build more jails
    For making us look like a third world country with fat ugly guys in grass skirts jumping up and down, sticking their tongues out and calling it culture!

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  10. A while back I took a file copy of an entry in the Urban Dictionary:

    “jacinda effect

    To completely bullshit your way into the hearts and minds of gullible and lazy, uneducated simpletons.
    By smiling like a horse and promising to fuck a country, the retarded succumbed to the jacinda effect.”

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jacinda+effect&defid=11975319

    I checked the link & the entry no longer exists. I wonder why.

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  11. National could have some fun with Labour catch Phrase’s on Election hoarding if they were inclined. Like Let’s do this it felz so good if you go to Labour summer camps Jacinda will be there to help cover it up.

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  12. A group of about 7 black kids came into my store. They were all wearing their trousers down around their knees. I said to them directly, “You all aren’t dressed properly, you’ll have to get out.”
    The oldest one glared at me and hissed, “Show some respect… a rapper got shot and we’s wearin’ our trousers at half mast !”

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  13. Do the All Blacks have a choice in how they react to this?

    Competition is an inherent part of sport. It’s an inherent part of life in many things we do. Wouldn’t a better lesson at a young age be to lose gracefully, but to try and improve afterwards?

    “This includes pushing back against early specialisation, over-emphasis on winning, and other factors that are driving young New Zealanders away from sport.”

    The All Blacks. Preaching participation over winning?

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