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    • You have just led me to my first ever viewing of any part of that programme. The separation of this Country into different ethnic grouping is certainly in full force. So much for that much vaunted slogan created after 15 March “We are One”
      Was pleased however to learn that all those protesters are in fact tax payers – didn’t know that. Could have sworn that lots of them have been on site for a longer period than their annual holidays.

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      • Same Phil i have never seen it why would i waste my time on another bunch of middle aged progs trying to tell me how to think i believe they also kowtow at the feet of the mad queen on a regular basis if that isn’t vomit inducing enough i dont know what is
        On another note have you abandoned Whale Oil not that it matters as there are quite a few ex oilers floating around these parts, just curious as i rarely visit there anymore

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        • No, they abandoned me. In reply to a Nigel really really comment I put that was a lot of really’s. I was banned because they said I was a bully. Frankly I am pleased – I was at the stage that I had to read every comment and I think it had become quite an echo chamber. I really like like this site and indeed Kiwiblog as you get some real and robust comments. I now just have a look in each morning and most nights but it is not compulsive.
          Anyway – their loss, especially the monies we used to give to them.

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          • Quite bizarre as you were an important part of W/O setting up posts etc but then most of us have similar stories i was banned by the sneaky wee monkey for having a bit of a fun argument with my then girlfriend that i had introduced to the site (of course he didn’t know that) but took her side and gave me the boot after years of hassle free commenting i didn’t even bother asking wtf, if people like you are getting the boot that place is screwed, anyway great to have you here us Mainlanders are in short supply thats if i remember your Cantabrian credentials correctly

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          • I think Nige has had a major incident in his off blog life.
            He was offline for a while and is now keeping a low profile.
            I never really really warmed to him. Ego too large I think.

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  1. Re that Comment by Right Over Labour.
    He says that right now, the polls favor Labour and the Greens over National and Act. (ie without NZ First on either side.)
    I will go away and study the figures

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    • No that is a cut and paste straight from Herald Premium. That is the one part of Hootens bit that I disagree with. I was doing somebody a favour as they could’t aceess he premium stuff. I am not the author of that piece, aplolgies if people thoughtso, I’ll be clearer in future.

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        • She won’t. Cindy stated on yesterday AM Show that leadership didn’t include managing other COL parties.

          Cindy can’t see the wood for the trees… until the rotten old deadwood falls on her and takes down the whole COL. 😂

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  2. Many comments on Trademe forums about not wanting the government to lend any money to Auckland Council to buy that land from Fletchers.
    Its private land.
    It would set a precedentt that maori could protest over any land and win.
    How could Auckland City pay back the loan?

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      • Well as an Auckland rate payer I’m appalled that this is even being considered. Will Goff be upfront and call it what it really is; the Regional White Tax?

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      • As an Auckland Rate Payer, I don’t want to throw money after a Phill Goff virtue signal. Especially not when it’s likely being done because the Labour Party asked the “independent” council to do it for them, after a bit of a top-up of the coffers.

        Mow my damn berm, you muppets. Stop dicking around and trying to out-woke eachother.

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    • How would lending Tax payer generated money to the Auckland Council to pay Fletchers out solve the issue the illegal occupiers are complaining about. Just moves the ownership and does not give the solution the illegal occupiers want.

      This taxpayer does not wish to make any cash contribution, other than funding Police salaries, towards resolving an illegal occupation that has been allowed to drag on too long Discussion etc has not given a solution the illegal occupiers accept.

      I saw a comment the PM wants the matter tidy before she goes to Ratana. Well, a taxpayer funded hand over between Auckland City and Fletchers is not going to achieve that.

      Prime issue is moving the illegal occupiers out or off. Time for landowners rights to be stood up for by the government.

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      • Was for Otorohanga but yes today when I clicked on the icon to the right it gave me was it Upper Hutt City. It asked me to save my location yesterday which i did, now it has decided to behave again.

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      • 28ºc expected in Hamilton on Saturday.
        In the meantime it is nice and cool for my new plants to bed in. 🌤

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        • Just in from watering and moving all my hoses about….
          I’m not too keen on putting much more in at the moment… never know when the climate emergency is going to arrive.

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          • Eaten the first couple of Lebanese cucumbers. Need a bit more sun to increase flavour but a good start for my little plants.

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    • Tip, folks…

      If you really really really really need to know how the weather is in your neck of the woods just go stand out on your front lawn.

      That said, the site seems to think I live in Kilbirnie; a place I only ever visit if there’s a tin budgie I need to catch.

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  3. Reality in the post-truth era – what did you see?

    I saw this video of a man saving a woman from an out of control car, and it struck me that in today’s Clown Show world (where people believe what their indoctrination tells them to believe, regardless of the objective truth*) this event would produce vastly different comments depending on which of the millieu of ‘tribes’ the observers self-identifies themselves to be in, for example:
    – me (what I thought) “He’s a hero”
    – a feminist: “That’s assault! He didn’t get consent for touching her!
    – a Democrat: “Impeach him!”
    – a transgender “Nice yoga pants, I’d look good in them”
    – a radical Islamist: “Ooooh, sooo close”
    – NZ Labour: “We need to immediately ban everyone from driving assault vehicles, and the PM will wear yoga pants and say “We are you” or something else that doesn’t really make any sense”
    – a Remainer: “But the driver didn’t know what he was voting for when he got in the car, we need a second vote on that”
    – UK Labour: “Fucking jews”
    – Trudeau: “I don’t remember if I was wearing blackface on that day or not”
    – Barnier: “there is a special place in hell for people who save other people from terrible injury without proper planning for the consequences”
    – Prince Andrew: “(blinking 20 times) it couldn’t have been me driving the car as I was sweating at Epstein’s place that day”
    – NZ First: “We will talk to the proper authorities, they will decide whether we were driving the car or not, this is a matter for the party to answer and I only have responsibility for the parliamentary activities, we’ve been accused of these sorts of things before when there was incontrovertible proof and we wriggled out of it then and we’ll wriggle out of it this time you psycho”

    What was your first reaction?

    (“truth” – which as we all know is a neo-colonial social construct designed to serve the oppressive needs of male patriarchy)

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  4. Jacinda Ardern must act over New Zealand First hidden donation allegations – Simon Bridges
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/jacinda-ardern-must-act-over-new-zealand-first-hidden-donation-allegations-simon-bridges.html

    “Winston Peters won’t talk about it… and then you have got a situation where the Prime Minister is trying to wash her hands of this. She can’t,” he says.

    “It goes to the heart of her Government’s integrity and the party that props up the Government. She needs to lead on it and she needs to ensure there is a full independent investigation going on.”

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    • Did’t somebody resign and refuse to sign off the financials? This explains why. Some psycho needs to keep asking questions. Further I heard Jacinda dodge this while “coming” on Hosking yesterday, she is the Prime Minister, and effectively has confidence in Peters as the Deputy PM. So she can’t claim it’s not her issue. Being a political prostitute has its consequences.

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    • So lets have an only ask questions of the PM day – with the clowns known stuff ups on the agenda – oh wait that would require a year of questions.

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    • The corruption and rot is set so deep now. The Jacinda Ardern that promised us an open and transparent government and politics without lies or nastiness has presided over the most corrupt, dishonest and downright nasty government I have seen in my decades in New Zealand. The government Jacinda Ardern leads is actually as corrupt as a Chinese official, with policy for sale to the highest bidder and the politicians lining their own pockets. Supported by our Prime Minister, who has not only used our police force to protect ####### from their criminal wrongdoings, but has granted through her government the dealer special favours. The same Prime Minister that disarmed our population, increased the number of armed police hit squads roaming through the country and is actively seeking to shut down all dissent against her government.

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      • Same lol..and I can throughly recommend it, especially here in S/E Asia.
        Its not as hard to do as many people may think and its cheaper than living in NZ or AU.
        If you are 50+, easy peasy.

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    • It sucks when life gets in the way of our fun WG i haven’t had a chance to comment for a few weeks now due to work commitments & a new house with lots of upgrades underway back with a vengeance now with much pent-up abuse for this shambolic Govt as will our fav yank Ducklin

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    • Yup they have all being doing this. And virtually no -one challenges them. I would argue that the temperature records for the last 100 or so years are at best a good estimate and that there are probably no absolutely reliable records anywhere in the world. We now have very accurate and senstive thermometers and obviously satellite measurements, but these cannot be compared to manually read analogue thermometers housed in screens that have had the surrounding conditions altered over the decades. And as for interpolated readings to fill in the gaps….. I read somewhere that nearly 50% of USA “measurements” are done this way. Its also intereseting that Global warming started at about the same time that many USSR measuring stations went off line… Take away thousands of cold temperatures, and guess what, the average temperature goes up. Idiots.

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  5. Jeffrey Epstein’s prison guards to be charged after alleged failure to check him before death
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/11/jeffrey-epstein-s-prison-guards-to-be-charged-after-alleged-failure-to-check-him-before-death.html

    “Law enforcement sources told Reuters after Epstein’s death that guards had failed to check on Epstein every 30 minutes as required by protocol, and that two cameras outside the jail cell had malfunctioned.

    Epstein had been taken off suicide watch shortly before his death.

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General launched probes into the circumstances of Epstein’s death.”

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  6. I did a search for the New Zealand First Foundation DuckDuckGo and could not find a website for it.

    Surely such a transparent organization with lofty goals would have a website!

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    • Great ploy though eh WG invited a left wing mong like Colbert over soak up the media adoration rinse & repeat next time the shit hits the fan at Govt HQ which as we all know is almost daily, makes a nice change from the kindy visits i guess

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      • Cindy invited Colbert to a backyard BBQ at her place. The AM Show were calling for the council building inspector to make a visit to assess the jerry-built child climbing frame with a platform that needed a railing that was in the background of the BBQ shots.

        Bet that inspection doesn’t happen.

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  7. Good to see Bridges on the attack against Peters & Ardern he does seem to bark at most passing cars but this one has the potential to hurt the Govt big time especially with Peters attacking the media we all know those pricks hunt in packs and he might have just given them enough of a push to actually attempt some journalism for a change either way i do love seeing the deceipful old fk on the back foot for a change, i do hope all this fuss doesn’t aggravate his old “rugby injury” again though lolz

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  8. Tova O’Brien said at the end of the TV3 report on NZF last night that “if Jacinda thinks she can avoid the investigation into NZF she has another think coming.”

    Looks like the glitter has all blown away and I’m looking forward to the msm doing their job.

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  9. Ever wonder why the UK voters voted to Leave the EU, other than the headline grabbers , immigration and sovereignty.

    The EU has just set their Budget for 2020:

    Some key highlights are

    “21% ( 35.4 billion) of the overall budget will go on climate change
    35% (€58.7 billion) will go to subsidising other EU countries. The EU refers to this as “narrowing economic gaps in and between Member States”
    34% (€58.1 billion) will go to EU farmers. Agriculture represents 0.5% of the UK economy (DEFRA)
    The European global satellite navigation system Galileo will get an extra €1.2 billion. This is the system part-paid for by UK taxpayers to which the EU will not give the UK access under the Withdrawal Agreement
    Over €¼ billion will be spent on EU defence projects which the UK will not be part of
    €2.9 billion will go to the EU’s Erasmus+ higher education programme. Only 0.5% of British students use it
    €2.4 billion will go to the Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund, the Internal Security Fund, and agencies “

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  10. Just nice to see some scammers rounded up,
    Just a pity they missed the 4 owners of this call centre.
    Some corrupt money probably helped to get the tip off.

    ….. The 32 employees were arrested for violating the Indian Telegraph Act, the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, and the Information Technology Act. …….

    ….Police also remind the public not to put too much faith in caller IDs or displays, as scammers typically use programs to create false names while calling potential victims. This also allows the scammers to make their calls appear as though they’re being made in Canada.
    https://www.thepostmillennial.com/over-30-scammers-arrested-at-indian-call-centre-that-targeted-canadians/

    Though I doubt there will be much of a dent in their nuisance phone calls.

    Then there is the NZ version, though I have never heard of it,,,, yet.
    Scam No 8
    https://scambusters.org/scamlines.html
    and a number of scams that can be adapted to NZ.

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  11. So next year, will Ardern & Peter’s wave crest & collapse?
    Will there be an alternative? a government in waiting should be the goal, with “no if’s & ‘and’s’ & buts ”

    …. This weekend will be the yellow vests’ acte 53 – the 53rd consecutive week of protest to mark the anniversary of the movement. …..
    …… causes of the yellow-vest revolt go far deeper than the fuel tax. Nevertheless, the tax is a useful prism through which to understand the movement, and, in particular, the chasm between the elites who make decisions and the people on the receiving end of them.

    …. A carbon tax that disproportionately affected the working class was only ever going to add insult to injury. As one oft-repeated yellow-vest slogan goes: ‘The government talks about the end of the world. We are talking about the end of the month.’ ….

    Another source of irritation was the government’s decision to cut the speed limit on rural roads from 90km/h to 80km/h (around 50mph) in early January.

    Perhaps a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, but again, this was experienced by many people as a needless imposition from an aloof and indifferent elite. Many saw it as an excuse to make money out of speeding tickets.
    In response, the yellow vests managed to take nearly 60 percent of the country’s speed cameras out of operation, usually by covering them in tape, painting them black, or smashing them up.

    These measures came against a broader backdrop of widening regional inequality.
    More than 10 years ago, geographer Christophe Guilluy foresaw a backlash to these developments when he came up with the concept of ‘peripheral France’. [north of the Brenduans & south of Bombay, except for Wellington City]

    This described the France of post-industrial towns, urban sprawl, villages and suburbs that have been left behind – or actively excluded – from the modern globalized economy.

    ….. The dismissal of working-class grievances or any challenge to the status quo as ‘fascist’ or ‘racist’ has become a tragic feature of politics common to almost all Western nations. Much of the same hysteria that followed the Brexit vote appeared in France in reaction to the yellow vests. The gilets jaunes are, in class terms, the French equivalent of the ‘deplorables’ or ‘gammon’. Only in France, the elite backlash took a violent turn. …..

    ….. ‘We exist.’ Those who had been long forgotten could be ignored no more. ,,,,,
    …. it fostered a new and necessary solidarity in an otherwise atomised society.
    Long may the revolt continue.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/15/gilets-jaunes-the-french-insurrection-one-year-on/

    It is a long read,
    The testing out of people, leaders, new parties, referenda concepts, etc.
    The denunciations, but like Trumps “deplorables” they are here, and they won! and are still winning!

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    • “Perhaps a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, but again, this was experienced by many people as a needless imposition from an aloof and indifferent elite. Many saw it as an excuse to make money out of speeding tickets.
      In response, the yellow vests managed to take nearly 60 percent of the country’s speed cameras out of operation, usually by covering them in tape, painting them black, or smashing them up.” (from Simpleton’s post above)

      Waipa region has lowered a large number of speed limits. It is obvious from sharing the roads with other drivers that many locals haven’t noticed the unnecessary reductions. Bloody JAG, she has no better regard for the people than Marie Antoinette and her “let them eat cake.” It’s just shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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      • I’ll vote for whichever party comes out to say they’ll rescind these ridiculous speed limit changes (where not justified by high accident rates). I drive down two out of three adjacent roads with new 80km speed limits by myself each day in two straight lines. Pointless.

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  12. Heard Peter Williams this morning as driving around town giving a republic, name change and flag.
    No changes untill Helen Clark and Geoffry Palmer are both senile and belivering idiots. Yer I know about next election!
    We don’t need her as President and any law writen by him!

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  13. Hey Ed, here is a suggestion.

    When you kindly share an article from another source, acknowledge the author and source. Preferably with a hyper link.

    One must maintain standards of conduct mustn’t one?

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  14. Canterbury Police NZ
    @NZPCanterbury
    Follow Follow @NZPCanterbury
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    Big storms in Timaru and decent sized hail stones descending.
    If it’s still going on, stay inside and if you’re on the road, put your phone down – you shouldn’t be reading this.
    And then drive safely in the conditions. Safe is better than fast.
    lol cheeky sods although i sometimes wonder what happened to our Police force
    New Zealand Police
    @nzpolice
    Oct 27
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    In our most compelling recruitment campaign yet we’re wearing our heart on our sleeves and revealing the ink beneath the blue.
    Take the first step and bring your unique story to the NZ Police whānau today –
    Really i would rather you just got on with the job you are employed to do & less of the virtue signalling bollocks

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  15. “Hayley Holt drops the f-bomb live on Breakfast TV”
    Yep this passes as news these days mabe Holt could follow her Green Taliban mate and start dropping the C bomb at least that would be true to form for these insufferable self opinionated media legends in their own minds

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  16. ‘Leopards don’t change their spots’ – Peter Dunne on Winston Peters
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/leopards-don-t-change-their-spots-peter-dunne-on-winston-peters.html

    “It’s the same behaviour we saw over the Owen Glen affair, which led to Helen Clark suspending Winston Peters and the party being voted out of Parliament in 2008.

    “Leopards don’t change their spots, I’m not at all surprised that this has occurred,” the former politician said.

    “It’s about that time in the electoral cycle where things always go wrong for New Zealand First.”

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  17. Crown called on to favour Māori for cannabis production if NZ votes yes to legalisation
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/crown-called-favour-m-ori-cannabis-production-if-nz-votes-yes-legalisation?auto=0

    “More than 50 Māori health leaders are calling on the Crown to ensure regulations for cannabis legislation favours Māori who want to participate and operate in the market, if New Zealand votes yes next year.

    In a statement released today, leaders from organisations including the Drug Foundation and Hāpai Te Hauora say the changes will only be transformational for Māori health, justice and economic outcomes if the regulations reflect a kaupapa Māori approach.”

    I didn’t know cannabis was a native plant of NZ! //

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  18. Just got back from the New Conservatives meeting at the CT club, Tauranga. An enthusiastic meeting with about 50 people there.
    The two leaders were there and a few local supports in nice lt Blue T shirts.
    Both leaders spoke for about 20 minutes with no notes and much audience participation.

    They discussed about 27 polices.
    I liked
    No race based laws.
    Prisoners do nto get out (ever) until they have learned a trade and done one year of outside work.
    Free Speech
    No LGBT ideology
    Welfare a hand up not a hand out. (no long term beneficiaries)
    No ETS
    Pull out of the Paris Accord
    All Referendum will be biding
    No rushed legislation like firearms, proper consultancy time.

    More meetings at Bethlehem, Katikati and Papamoa

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      • It’s all crap anyway. National have cut the ground out from underneath them by becoming a party of social conservatives & Godfreaks.

        The policy that Dignap outlines is the blanket for the trojan horse of a theocratic state.

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        • Would you rather have the alternative that we have now and are fast getting.
          A socialist government, that controls every aspect of your life?
          And a pro muslim state with Shria law and mosques on every corner?
          Like those 3 Bangladeshi women from Chistchurch that do not want to stay in their own country but want to come here so they can bludge on our taxes.

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          • Dig, there isn’t really much difference. National has the same pro migration, including Islamic. They have the same kow towing to wokeness. They control your life, just like Labour. They don’t roll taxes back, they also take our freedoms away. They are there with Labour on the gun buyback and even supported Shaw and his policy. Where were they when Southern and Molineux happened? Are they fightimg back against Massey? What about education? 6 charter schools in 9 years? How much did they do to get out of the way of industry for building houses? And for building State houses? Jeez, don’t forget the meth testing fuck up.

            The sooner Kiwis realise that voting for a blue left of centre party is no different to voting for a red left of centre party the better off we will be.

            Unfortunately, even somebody as close to the topics and disasters in politics as you is still caught up in that one of two choices tribalism. What hope for the rest of them?

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  19. Anyone who follows or shows an interest in US politics remember the name Elise Stefanik –a Republican Congress woman.
    She first came to my attention during the Comey hearings where she hammered Comey.

    She is now doing the same in the Impeachment circus –absolutely nailing Schiff and his cronies to the wall. She questions in a way you might expect from a very good experienced, lawyer but she ( only about 30 years old) has a degree in Government from Harvard. She must have gone through before Harvard went all PC and lefty.

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    • She is the congresswoman for NY and worked in the West Wing under George W Bush. She is very good. I posted a clip of her (9.56am above) asking questions at the impeachment hearing.

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    • Looks like I may have been wrong about Comey.
      He WAS going to indict HRC on the 33,000 missing emails.

      Qbama’s Attorney General, Loretta Lynch put the kibosh on it after meeting with Slick Willie. (that infamous tarmac meeting.)

      Comeys daughter is a federal prosecutor in the Epstein sex trafficking case.
      He might just be a white hat.
      He has taken a shit load of heat from Republicans which has deflected the heat from the Dems.

      We’ll see if its true shortly, when Huber, Horowitz and Barr release their findings on their respective investigations.

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    • Labour installed an expensive tax payer funded playground outside their offices, to attract children for the use and enjoyment of party faithful. Its sickening.

      Funny thing is there were more kids in the adjacent tree today than in the playground. I’m picking the joyless pricks will ban that.

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  20. Re the New Conservatives meeting in Tauranga today.
    I just re-assessed my calculation of the numbers there, I’d say it was more like 120.

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  21. ‘Devast8’ tattoo man Mark Cropp says he’s been beaten up in jail

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/devast8-tattoo-man-mark-cropp-says-he-s-been-beaten-up-in-jail.html

    “A Kiwi man famous for having the word ‘Devast8’ tattooed on his face has been sentenced to 10 months in jail.

    Mark Cropp made headlines in 2017 for complaining that he couldn’t get a job because of his tattoo.
    NZME reports that in the Christchurch District Court on Wednesday, he said he’d been beaten up in prison while awaiting sentencing for several charges including intimidating behaviour and presenting a fake pistol. Cropp has been held in custody since May.”

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  22. Well the prosecution’s case against the Millane accused is in tatters. As I rightly predicted from the sleazy emotive prosecution tactics.

    What intellectual and moral cripples can’t get their tiny brains around is the trial is about a murder charge. Not a trial of the accused’s character.

    Let’s home the jury is not made up of virtue signaling imbeciles.

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    • Even if it was consensual or encouraged on her part.
      He is still an evil bastard.
      He tried to meet other girls afterwards
      He did not report it to the police
      He hid the body and tried to hide the evidence
      He wasted lots of police time on finding poor Grace.
      He has cost us millions

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      • Yawn.

        They did away with trials for “evil” about the same time as they stopped the Catholic Church torturing women to death for witch craft.

        It was an unfortunate sex accident. The frightened young fella panicked and exercised poor judgment. Can’t blame him given the anti male hysteria and appalling prosecution conduct.

        He has suffered enough for his lapse of judgment. He should walk. Hopefully a little wiser.

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    • The question I have is if he has been charged with murder and the jury determine he didn’t murder her as it was “accidental”, I have the feeling they cannot then find him guilty of manslaughter so must find him not guilty? He should have been charged with manslaughter for a conviction but the prosecution service but on the face of his actions afterwards went with murder.

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      • Murder is an exception and you can be found not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.

        He is not guilty of manslaughter either. Same as when the cops gun innocent people down in cold blood – accident- no charges even laid.

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          • Current front page news in all the major outlets in NZ.

            So the real question is why the lies and misrepresentation from you?

            Anyone can see you lied with your description. Just like the prosecution have.

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  23. I just joined this blog yesterday – it’s *great* to see the blog doing well!

    I think it’s fair to say that this is a “conservative-friendly” area, and such areas are much appreciated given the online near-monopoly of sites for knuckledragging fawning Cindy-followers.

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    • Here’s a guess.
      Round up 600 lab rats. Euthenaise them and then spread them along a west coast beach hoping to besmirch DdOC and 1080

      Now who would do that I wonder?

      Eother that or there should be some immigrants following that wern’t able to swim either. 😆

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    • Rachel.I found the result very interesting.
      About a month ago we had 150mm of rain over two days here in HB.
      There are heaps of rats around and with all the rain I was finding them running around in the open.The rain had filled all their holes and driven them out .
      I had never observed this before and think the rain down south may well have drowned them.

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      • Owl, rats don’t drown if it rains. You were probably thinking of candy floss.

        They are great wee swimmers in fact.

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    • Gosh , no-one ever heard of floods on the West-Coast.

      Did they expect the little ratties to swim down the swollen Buller and wander back home?

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    • The article Rachael refers to covers escalation of gang rivalry in Hawkes Bay. The driver behind the violence is not difficult to find…….once again it’s meth.

      The police would have us believe that methamphetamine took everyone by surprise. Bullshit! The signs of an impending epidemic were there thirty years ago but the pig headed politicians & police bosses weren’t having a bar of it. Heroin was the biggy although the “Mr Asia” days were history. “H” & the devil drug behind Reefer Madness were the targets & once they were wiped out NZ would revert to the alcoholics’ paradise it had always been.

      They were wrong……very wrong & the price is being paid. Paid with the lives of addicts, their kids & the community P users prey on to feed their habits.

      From a Herald article written earlier this year.

      “It was about 1998 when the first red flags about methamphetamine were raised in New Zealand.
      It was a relatively unknown drug at the time, until detectives started hearing stories about standovers and shootings.”

      ” P had changed everything, O’Connor was told.
      His warnings to Police National Headquarters and politicians in Wellington were written off as scare-mongering.”

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12228010

      The article is worth a read. If there were ever a better example of closing doors after horses have bolted I’ve yet to find it.

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        • I honestly don’t know Kea. The problem from my POV is that NZ is saturated with social conservatives who, gin & cigar in hand, declare that drug users should be shot. Heroin & meth are nasties mostly because of their addictive qualities & should not be compared with ecstasy, mushrooms or cannabis.

          I guess the best answer I can give is for legalisation to be carried out progressively, the order being determined by the likelihood of the user becoming addicted or vegetative.

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          • Dealing Meth carries a life sentence. Yet we are told the country is overrun with it.

            Clearly the current approach simply does not work and is informed by those who gain satisfaction from their views being imposed on others by force, rather than by achieving tangible outcomes for people.

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            • About the way I see it too. All the good little conservatives who love Baby Jesus & know how to run our lives want the status quo & worse, though it obviously hasn’t worked & never will. Singapore, for instance, regularly executes dealers yet drugs are easily obtainable.

              The one thing that we never see discussed is that some people simply live to get out of it. The vehicle may be marijuana, H, meth or alcohol & they will use what is available. I saw it when I was in re-hab & to the best of my knowledge they are generally beyond hope.

              Which also well describes NZ’s current drug laws.

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            • How many people have been given a life sentence for dealing meth?
              And why is a life sentence in NZ only 7 years?

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          • Heroin & meth are nasties mostly because of their addictive qualities & should not be compared with ecstasy, mushrooms or cannabis.

            Third most addictive drug is nicotine, yet we can buy it freely in New Zealand. Alcohol ranks in the top 5? Or was it top 7? It’s close to the top anyway. All of these things have some level of impact on your health, are addictive to some degree, etc. It makes no sense that some are deemed “illegal” and others are “part of our Kiwi culture”.

            It’s okay to get black-out drunk every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night? Play vomit-comet, beat the missus or whatever the hell the “social” drinkers get up to? But have a joint or a hit of some kind and you’re the great evil?

            I like my single malts. Smoked for 20 or 25 odd years, a few packs a day. I’ve never tried anything stronger and likely never will. I get green fever far too easily, so not for me. But far out, if you want to do something else and you can keep it to yourself, who am I stop you?

            Don’t market it to kids, keep it to yourself, don’t harm others and I really don’t give a stuff what you get up to in the privacy of your own home.

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  24. Government surplus should actually be a $30 billion deficit – Sir Roger Douglas

    Sir Roger Douglas, the architect of the massive economic reforms of the 1980s dubbed ‘Rogernomics’, claims the recent cash surplus reported by the Government should actually be a $30 billion deficit.

    “If you applied accrual accounting in the way they do in the private sector, then you would have to take in the debt for super and for healthcare for future retirees,” he told Newshub Nation on Saturday morning.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html

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    • Yes its says that housing New Zealand tenant like big bedrooms
      But private buyers do not!
      I am sure that everyone would like big bedrooms, but they cost more.

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      • Housing corp tenants are all on the dpb, dole etc. They need the big rooms to accommodate all the uncles who visit at night to produce more ITM machines at taxpayers expense.

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    • If ever you wanted to understand why we are fucked as a country … this is it. The grasshoppers consume more and “deserve” better than the ants producing it all. And this is what Labour and the majority of our population believes. Why would anybody work when there is just some fat trougher or bludger waiting to take it all from you?

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