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    • What only 15 minutes!
      Yer and the teachers have to lead by example from the front, not the sidelines or on the tv!

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    • You could imagine the uproar if there had been an accident?

      Totally outrageous that mother and baby welfare is secondary to optics.
      They could have died, and that would be uncomfortable for you?
      Is that really what it takes to move these pen-pushing wankers?

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      • Headline is a bit misleading though, she wasn’t actually doing the driving, which would have been very difficult on all fours.

        What ever are the powers that be, thinking?

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        • They think giving taxpayers money to pacific islands more important than the very same taxpayers in their hour of need.
          COL at it’s very worst.

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          • Money to the islands? If we had enough of the imunisation the person from Sth Akl might not have taken the measles with them to Samoa too infect all of them!

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  1. North Korea carries out mystery test at site US thought it was going to close
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/12/north-korea-carries-out-mystery-test-at-site-us-thought-it-was-going-to-close.html

    Trump said on Sunday that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un risks losing “everything” if he resumes hostility and his country must denuclearise.

    “Kim Jong-un is too smart and has far too much to lose, everything actually, if he acts in a hostile way. He signed a strong Denuclearization Agreement with me in Singapore,” Trump said on Twitter, referring to his first summit with Kim in Singapore in 2018.

    “He does not want to void his special relationship with the President of the United States or interfere with the US presidential Election in November,” he said.”

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    • Japan and South Korea need to step up to the plate.
      They need to start enforcing the sanctions!
      Starve them out, its the only way.

      KJU is not going to give up his nukes as that keeps him and the military elite in power.

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      • Show me where the nasty North Korean touched you Diggy?

        Don’t forget South Koreans have family in the North.

        They are Zero threat to us.

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        • Just stick to the subject Kea!

          You know full well that if NK and SK start a war the whole China and the USA could be dragged in.
          So seeing as how SK don’t want to invade NK
          It must be NK and KJun causing the trouble

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          • Yes yes yes I read the same propaganda too.

            War is not the way. But don’t fret, Trump is not a warmonger. Even though he supports Israel.

            A true statesman. Watch and learn.

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    • We were told yesterday that these issues with North Korea is caused by Jews. And that if we don’t agree with that, we’re stupid Goys or human garbage. It seemed to alternate a bit yesterday between what anybody who disagrees with the mad prophet was.

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        • KB has Stephieboy (Stephieboy2, this week)
          YSB gets its own version of the goat botherer.
          Just as repetitious, but hasn’t started the cut&paste yet.

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            • I understand you’re not here for approval. But it’s starting to feel like you’re not even here for discussion. Any chance you’d consider maybe slowing down on the “I’m a shit flinging monkey” act?

              Or, maybe for variety, try a few different insults. Or maybe a few more minutes between repeating the same lines between your accounts. Or somehow mixing it up a bit so it’s not so repetitive?

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              • Yes I agree. Kea, tone it back. No one likes to be called a goy repeatedly.Your right to free speech is not a reason to be constantly abusive to those you disagree with. If you cannot avoid sounding like a nut job, then don’t comment at all.

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      • Did you know North Korea sent pilots to fight Israel in the Yom Kippur war? In 2007 Israel killed 10 North Koreans in “operation orchard”.

        Yes you are Stupid goys. Not the jews they aren’t stupid, they truly believe this is their planet given to them by God because they are “The chosen ones”. Talmudic scripture says every jew will have 2500 goyim slaves …i see 2 of those slaves right here.

        Deuteronomy 7:16

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        • You’re trawling if you’re quoting a 1973 war and the bombing of a Syrian Nuclear Reactor as evidence. Even moreso if you’re using scripture to try and prove something. My sky fairy says you should eat more Ramen and that I’m his chosen prophet, so get stuffed. (With Ramen)

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          • North Koreans and jews hate each other just accept it. Israel to NK is nothing but an “Imperialist satellite”

            It matter not what the sky fairys say what matters are the people who follow do. Like Epstein, Polanski,Weinstein they rape children as permitted in their Talmud.

            Get it yet goyim? if you think the jews even think of you as human then you’re the joke, not the jews.

            Aint no North Korean ever call me goyim.

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  2. Are NZ Firstand Ron Mark prepared to up the numbers of the Defence Forces to teach them how to fight fires instead of helping keep peace in places they are needed. This is another of the Coalition’s ideas to fight climate change.https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117821328/a-6000strong-army-and-cuts-to-emissions-defence-force-maps-out-its-response-to-climate-change. It seems like there is about to be billions invested by this Government in many more ways to fight climate change and in Ron Mark’s words be a world leader on the subject. What a terrible bunch of dreamers we have leading this country.

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    • Being seen to do something is better than nothing. Not the climate change rationale but fire fighting skills if we needed to deploy fire fighters like Aussie is would it hurt to have more skilled people?

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    • Like the Air New Zealand Engineers last year, the filthy unions pick the worst times for the public. All those people struggling to get to work today, who are needed to pay the subsidies that keeps this industry going.

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      • Duncan Garner says these bus drivers have a grievance. He personally “knows a bus driver with 8 kids who is drowning.”

        Perhaps not bringing 8 kids into the world when you are on a low wage would have been the responsible thing. I’m pretty sure the driver and his kids will be receiving lots of WFF to supplement that low wage.

        Good old taxpayer. When do we get a say in responsibility of those expecting taxpayer funding?

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        • Many families have kids that are yours, mine and ours.
          The bus driver may have one of these blended families.

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        • Agree, WaikatoGirl.

          I think we’ll get a say when we vote in a government that has the will to make the large, social changes we need. While we continue to vote in Labour and National we’ll see a slow creep to more and more benefits. Labour, because it buys them votes and heck, National for the same reason + wanting to avoid negative press.

          Until we chase those two behemoths of inefficiency out of parliament we won’t see a change.

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          • Like you I suspect, I have never voted left. They seem to believe our taxes are a bottomless pit put there for them to buy votes.

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            • I almost did once. When I first arrived in the country I had no real clue and the media coverage of what was being promised seemed fairly nice. Luckily I stopped myself and said: “You don’t know enough to vote, learn a bit more first then decide.

              Which leads to; a conversation with a colleague. Her husband is looking for work and struggling as they live in the regions. He’s a capable, IT professional but there’s nothing available for him. (She got the job, he’s here on a spousal visa :))

              I told her things would probably look up after next years’ election, providing we get rid of Labour. And she asked me what’s wrong with Labour? Jacinda seems like a very nice, capable leader. At which point I not only collapsed with laughter, but had to go into a lengthy explanation of why she’s exactly the opposite of that.

              Problem is, new immigrants don’t know. Hell, most Kiwis probably don’t know. They don’t follow politics and events the way we do. They hear “Free Foodbags for poor people” and don’t think “Who is paying for that?” or “Shit, I can’t afford Foodbag and now I’m paying for somebody else to get it”.

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              • Yes I did. Always have voted National but the past 3 elections were with growing reservations with their slide to the left but no viable alternative. Next year I am throwing caution to the wind and voting Act. David Seymour deserves the acknowledgement and support for his unwavering stand on freedom of speech and standing up to Ardern over the confiscation of guns from innocent licensed gun owners.

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    • Same deal with Germany and the jews. Except this is a real genocide.

      I’m sure you agree, as you are not a hypocrite or bigot.

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      • Are you saying the Myanmar thing is real genocide?
        There may have been a few hundred killed but that is not genocide.
        Expulsion or encouraged evacuation is not genocide.
        The Holocuast
        Khmer Rouge and
        The Rwanda massacres
        They were real genocide

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        • Kea loses count after the first million or so. It’s hard to keep up with despotic regimes these days.

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  3. Homicide inquiry after body found in Invercargill
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/homicide-inquiry-after-body-found-in-invercargill.html

    “Invercargill police have launched a homicide inquiry after a man’s body was discovered at a house on Sunday night.”

    “Meanwhile, a 35-year-old man is set to appear in a Christchurch District court, charged with murdering a woman on the West Coast and injuring another man.”

    Are we seeing an increase in the number of murders? They won’t be helping Angry and Kelvin’s prison depopulation.

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    • Are we seeing an increase in the number of murders? They won’t be helping Angry and Kelvin’s prison depopulation.

      Yes, we are.
      But the prison depopulation is going well, apparently its 1,000 less than when the COL took over.
      How come?
      Must be letting them out a few weeks after they go in.

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    • It is becoming a problem like deaths on our roads twelve deceased from accidents this weekend and two dead from murder in the South Island. These figures are not good from a Coalition Government that thought the last Government didn’t care.

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        • Dr David Clark’s default saying in the elective surgery drop and other problems with the DHBs……
          “We can’t fix the problems in three years left to us by the last government and 9 years of neglect”.
          He really is an incompetent wanker !~

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          • So Dr (Phd not Md hahahahahahahahahahaha) Clark’s policy? Treat less sick people. Brilliant. What was that PhD in again?

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      • When National was in government (according to JAG) every death on the road was directly attributable to poor road policing and the absolute fault of the Minister, the government and the Prime Minister.
        Since the last election every death on the road appears to be somewhow inevitable and the fault of cars that are also causing climate change.
        When will people learn that bicycles are sooo much bedder.

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      • You’ve come to the wrong place to get takers for that wager.
        Maybe on KB, but it could take hours for the offer to make it through moderation.

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  4. How much has the subtle changes in reading curriculum affected guys?

    …. One major reason for male failure is the effete [gay] dreck boys are assigned to read in schools. …..
    …. In Will Grayson, Will Grayson, two teens with the same name, one gay and one straight, accidentally meet. Hilarity ensues.

    In The Wee Free Men. A young witch meets up with six-inch-high blue men and the Queen of Fairyland. The author, a self-described British “humanist,” is an associate of the “National Secular Society,” an organization “explicitly created for those who reject the supernatural.”

    Struts & Frets is the first book by Jon Skovron. His second book, Misfit, is described by Kirkus as “a diabolically delightful paranormal about a teen girl discovering her inner strength and power — and her potential for darkness.” ……

    …. “Call of the Wild”, “Annapurna”, “Kon-Tiki”, “Red Badge of Courage”, “Mutiny on the Bounty”, “Men Against the Sea”, “Huckleberry Finn”. ….
    ….. books hold our attention, but they also instructed us boys in the virtues needed to become men. We saw examples of courage, of resourcefulness, of perseverance, of teamwork. ……

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/why_your_sons_refuse_to_read.html

    Is NZ any better?
    What other slop is pumped into NZ books? and just what is in the school libraries these days? 🙁

    Though I think Shakespeare is done too much at the senior school level, but some of alternatives like the “Pohutukawa Tree” was rather dry as well.

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  5. Worrying trend in NZ politics.
    When all the devils agree.

    Once again the only standout is david seymour.

    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2019/circuit/unprecedented-breach-of-constitution/

    Representatives from every major party were present: David Clendon of the Greens, Te Ururoa Flavell of the Māori Party, Trevor Mallard and Carmel Sepuloni of Labour, Ron Mark of NZ First, Jami-Lee Ross then of National, and the Speaker, David Carter.

    Not a nice person among them.

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  6. I think I am a regular sort of guy. (my two YSB meetup friends will probably attest to this)

    But I am amazed by the number of young (teen and early twenties) guys that you see out and about that are obviously happy with their feminine side. From their hairstyle to their body language, to their friends.

    This LGBT rainbow stuff has to be stopped.
    There are only 2 genders,
    Its making it hard for the future of those guys that I see.

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    • you say
      ‘Its making it hard for the future’

      Maybe these ‘guys’ wont get so hard in the future without chemical assistance.
      The chemical assistance to date from BPA in their throw away water bottles has raised estrogen in ‘once were males’ to very high levels in some cases.

      In essence they have been feminised by drinking Pump and H2Go

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  7. “Jacinda Ardern says her 18-month-old daughter, Neve, “could take or leave” her mother.”
    She should be assured that we could definitely leave her.

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    • What a filthy rag that woman is. And she is attempting to run a country!! I wouldnt cross the road to piss on her if she was on fire.

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        • That perverted tart probably would be.
          We already know Ardern is into genital groping; supplying minors with alcohol perhaps to encourage such activity; plus sexual assault in the work place.
          The more the merrier in Liebour world.

          Allegedly, it is difficult to tell with the cleaner squad, the lying media and the cover-ups

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            • No.

              These things are under her watch as Labour leader despite her never taking responsibility for anything.
              She was at the Waihi camp where the supply of alcohol to minors occurred and the groping of young people.
              She was there, for sure, hours before the official timeline of events.
              The sexual assaults and power play for sexual favours went on in her office for many, many months. Perhaps they still are!

              Her out is she did not see it on TV1 news or whatever therefore it did not happen.
              Ardern is a liar.

              She is unsavoury and it is fair to attach these event to her. Her ‘partner’ is known to have a less than stellar sexual history. More association with someone who thinks sexual conquests give bragging rights, even in your 30s.

              While nothing sticks to her because of a mob mentality among media filth she collects the salary of the top dog while suicides rise, road deaths rise, murders rise, strikes increase.
              She denies pretty much everything (lies) but is tainted by such things by right thinking people. The latter of course does not include media filth.

              Scalar principle of management: Responsibility and authority flow in clear unbroken lines.
              If she had done business training she would have learnt this. Unfortunately she did a degree where one is taught to be a better liar.

              She should own these events but is too much of a weasel to do so. Typical socialist.
              Being a coward and not accepting responsibility despite your pay grade does not separate you from such events.

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              • Being a coward and not accepting responsibility despite your pay grade does not separate you from such events.

                No, it does not. Unless you’re a Labour / Green / NZF voter. Then it does.

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  8. As I’m on super, and therefore a beneficiary, I’m going to ask if Ardern would send me one of those MyFoodbags.

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    • Me too, only I’d like them weekly for the foreseeable future, why stop at one? I am certain those others are not stopping at one. How ever in saying that I don’t really consider the super a benefit as we have paid plenty of tax al our working lives, me till I was 68. I am sure you did as well. Never been on any other benefit in my life.

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    • I’m on the super too…. but I’m definitely NOT A FUCKING BENEFICIARY, thank you!

      I have paid my taxes all my working life and I have never once been on any kind of benefit. My taxes and my lifetime of hard work helped to build this country and I find it insulting to call superannuitants ‘beneficiaries’.

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    • I’ve noticed lately that female politicians of the right are always well presented, made up and kind of hot.
      Whereas
      Leftist females are usually nasty and ill kempt looking

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      • I agree athough there are exceptions. I tend to think that unattactive woman are anti-male and a bit bitter. Then of course there are the men hating lesbians.

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      • I don’t think we have any female politicians on the right in NZ so it is difficult to say.

        Every female poli in NZ is well to the left of Pauline Hansen.
        So far on the left flank we can barely see them let alone know how they are dressed.

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      • When Labour was in opposition for the nine years there were some ugly hags hanging around the back benches, Clare Curren just one example.
        Now im quite impressed on how good the woman look now they are in government.

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      • I’m not convinced somebody’s physical appearance counts for their ability to do or not do their job. Yes, their presentation does – e.g. do they dress neatly, brush their hair and look like they mean business – sure.

        Take Donald Trump – he’s not exactly model material. But he does a bloody good job and he always dresses like he’s ready for action.

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  9. I saw bits of a docu on the marajuana legal growing in California last night on Prime I think.
    Its a total wreck.
    Everyone should watch it before voting next year!

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    • What are your thoughts on the harm caused by alcohol and tobacco? I can’t smoke marijuana, it makes me feel very ill. But I struggle to reconcile the difference between one legal means to impair yourself that already causes social harm (as well as having many responsible users) with another that is deemed illegal.

      How do you reconcile the differences in treatment between the two? What in the documentary made you feel that it should be a no vote for one, but a yes for the other?

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      • “What are your thoughts on the harm caused by alcohol and tobacco? I can’t smoke marijuana, it makes me feel very ill. But I struggle to reconcile the difference between one legal means to impair yourself that already causes social harm (as well as having many responsible users) with another that is deemed illegal. ”

        This is an endless argument that will never be resolved.
        Why not make all drugs legal and sell them all and advertise them all on tv?
        Have you seen the Vaping ads on tv, it makes it look cool to do and respectable.

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        • I agree, why not make all drugs legal? What you put into your body is none of my business – as long as you cause no harm to others and you’re picking up your own medical costs. So:

          * No giving it to kids.
          * No passing on second hand effects.
          * No getting into a car while impaired.
          * No beating your family while impaired.
          * Pay for your own medical treatments
          * etc.

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      • How do you reconcile the differences in treatment between the two? What in the documentary made you feel that it should be a no vote for one, but a yes for the other?

        Like I said, I only saw bts, very short bit.

        They were trying to regulate the strength of the dope, but it was being flouted.
        They were shipping it to other states where it is still illegal
        Many cops were interviewed and they were again st it.
        The shows presenter seems to be against it.

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        • Sure. I’ve seen more alcohol related harm with my own two eyes than I have seen marijuana related harm. Or P-related harm. Or cocaine related harm. That is very likely due to my sheltered existence and the fact that alcohol is very much a legal drug that is available to everyone.

          Alcohol can be taken into alcohol free zones and consumed.
          May cops are against alcohol as well (Note their opposition to the alcohol purchases in supermarkets)
          Etc.

          Similar levels of harm and opposition; but because one is called a “drug” and the other is called a “drink” they are treated differently?

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            • Read, ya demented bird. It is an illustration of the relativity between alcohol and weed, re-using the examples DigNap15 used.

              Or maybe put the sauce down so you’re not impaired this early in the afternoon? 😉

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    • If one wants to have all the wacky things in life, like obesity, alcohol, nicotine, etc… , why do they insist on demanding with menaces my money, as taxes for their good, to support their families life styles? of many children? of not working, not becoming educated enough to have a highly productive working life, or not

      Then it would be much easier for me to pay insurance against heart attacks, diabetes, cancer etc, and anything else untoward.

      Since such drug demands & costs, and threats are imposed on me, then it is only right that I seek to minimize where I can such costs, that are charged to me as a tax, supposedly for the good of the community,
      Pretty much zero all the taxes that are connived on me, and I will stay out of other peoples lives. 🙂

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    • Markets Supply & Demand
      Well the Supply side is building up a lot.
      So lets increase the Demand in the name of efficiency.
      In Canada :-
      ….. cannabis inventories came to almost 400 tonnes at the end of August, enough to cover two-and-a-half years of demand, ……
      ….. and underestimated the illegal market’s ability to respond to competition. ….
      ….. Producers are holding out hope for “Cannabis 2.0”, the second phase of legalisation, which will introduce edible and vaping products. Their concentrated formulas use large amounts of plant material, holding the potential to draw down inventories, …….

      https://www.ft.com/content/546b9226-0c7b-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84

      It is all right where responsibly used, but who are the responsible ones, when there is no accountability,
      It can all be covered by “demanding money with menaces” as “the man from the government explains”, with no account ACC taxes,as happens with alcohol accidents.

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  10. Nasska…have just read your post from last night where you say, “if science & developers could devise a cheap portable way to recycle plastic they’d be on to something.”

    How about something like this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNGuuSKE1pY

    I wonder how these extrusions would go for fence posts and battens…even shed framing?

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    • There is a company in NZ selling plastic battens (not sure where they are made). Really good idea. I presume for posts there would have to be a bit of strengthening, some how.

      There is a company in Auckland that recycles plastic waste to make a material to put into concrete. The concrete is lighter but has been tested to be stronger than straight concrete. The other good thing about it is they need a mixture of different plastics for it to work properly and they are not worried about a few labels being mixed in.

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        • Ross12… thanks for that. Found the Gallery section of their site interesting as well.
          When you start youtubing, there seems to be a lot going on with recycled plastics (esp. outdoor furniture).
          Stayed at a resort up in the Yasawa’s which had a bottle grinder the size of a small mulching machine. The crushed glass was used as aggregate for their concrete. With the lack of good aggregate in this part of the country and the abundance of spent Steinlager bottles, I’m thinking of making one.

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    • Interesting Toko. I’d seen the plastic battens but not the posts. There’s an article https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/113479837/kiwi-inventors-future-post-win-top-prize-for-plastic-to-post-innovation which mentions recycled fence posts. Cost could be a barrier at $25 vs $20 for the equivalent product in treated wood. Note that it takes 360 milk containers to make one post.

      There are also plastic sheets as an alternative to ply for farm & industrial construction. My only objection would be the levels of extremely toxic smoke if the buildings caught fire.

      If you see any more interesting products from recycled plastic post links. I doubt that our host will object & although climate change may be a load of globalist shit I’d like to pass on a planet that didn’t have plastic garbage strewn over every sq/cm of its surface.

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        • I’m wondering how they compare with wood for strength. Most grape growing country is dry, stony river terraces which is hard ground to ram posts into.

          In the Wairarapa, especially Martinborough, they use posts cut from Corsican pine.

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      • I had a lot of damaged IBC tanks(1000 lts). Cut them up and gave a truckload to them. These posts are being used widely in the wine and kiwifruit industry. No chemical leeching from the treated timber.
        Have got another truckload read for them next week. No more dumping them.

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      • Nasska…I was wanting to put a baffle into a 4000 litre plastic septic tank to make it double chambered…looked at making it out of those plastic panels, but too pricey…precast it in concrete instead.
        Louis Sauzedde. an American shipwright has some great videos..here’s one with him using HDPE as boat framing….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcBdvChtQkU

        Ed.. also there would be no chemical leaching in the plastic posts to rust out galvanised fastners….

        Ross12…you mentioned about a plastic or other recylced material being added to concrete….Have you seen any of the videos on ‘Aircrete”…made from foam and cement only?…amazing stuff…

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  11. I know noises are made in the immigration department about the pressure and issues in this, but is there a measure, that shows they are on top of student visas and monitoring this?

    Nearly one-third of international students were believed to not be enrolled in a Canadian school in 2015, according to a recent report from Statistics Canada, and an immigration expert says it’s an elaborate scheme to bring in cheap, illegal workers.

    “A lot of kids, including a lot from India, are coming here, and there is a structured, systematic racketeering operation going on to bring them here knowing full well a) they’re not students and b) they’re never going to study,” said Boraks.
    “It’s a heavy duty scam operation. And they are destined to become illegal workers.”

    The Statistics Canada report, found that 30.5 percent of student visa holders were not attending a Canadian post-secondary school four years ago.

    The report said study permit increased by 46.1 percent in recent years.
    https://www.thepostmillennial.com/fake-international-students-commit-fraud-to-work-illegally-in-canada-immigration-experts/

    Some industries seem to set up and fit them in.

    Seems like a well used pathway into western countries, that just needs rubber stamps.
    Then plus time, that turns into temporary visas, to work visas, to residency, then dual citizenship
    Would be a good return, like “used lawn mowers”.

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  12. “Then plus time, that turns into temporary visas, to work visas, to residency, then dual citizenship”

    You forgot to add bring in mothers, aunties uncles and grand parents, and leaves to go to Australia

    There is 1.3 billion of them – like locusts
    They are not very nice people, rape, burning people, scams, filthy rubbish, chaotic streets,
    The only good things about them is that they can play cricket and they kept back the muslims hundreds of years ago.

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    • No problem to bring up that issue as well.
      Once the camel has its head in the tent, all fits in as well, like giving birth to an “anchor baby” or two.
      Very important to allow for the importance of ‘cultural sensitivities’, as it is all ‘very cricket’ in NZ.

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    • On the plus side, he is highlighting how poorly Jacinda Ardern’s portfolio is performing and that the situation is actually worsening under Labour. They don’t come out and say it directly in the article, but it’s there.

      On the negative side? It’s apparently all our fault for not paying the beneficiaries more. We need to change this perspective that people can just live on a benefit. We need a government that won’t Labour / National and tinker on the edges, but actually step in and change this for all generations.

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      • Totally over looked is the National Party gave a real lift in benefits in a budget.

        I also believe that Bill English, though all happening very slowly, was tightening and targeting support to where it was to the best effect and attempting to make longer term changes to the beneficiaries lifestyles.
        All of those changes now revoked under CoL

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        • Yeah, Bill English had what felt like a reasonable idea. But it was a 3 – 5 term plan that, as you have said, was undone the moment Labour took the reigns. The previous terms for National didn’t see much change, Working For Families is still a thing, etc.

          I would like to see substantial changes made. Think of ACTs 17.5% tax rate change – that drastic.

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          • I also wish for things like that.
            What would it take, for NZ to be able to do that?

            1984 seemed to be a time of big change.
            But not all things happened then,
            GST was bought in, and the change in tarriffs occurred, so cheap clothing and the beginnings of “ware house” opportunities of cheap imports.
            Some would say a slight of hand, as any one in work, felt a better value of their wage.
            Inflation monster had also been slowed and stopped.

            1988 was when enough opening up occurred when the Unions over played their hands, and their propaganda was exposed in the freezing works industry,
            The expected catch up of stock to be killed had evaporated, as they simply died, were killed in the back paddock, and often not breed by farmers.
            Plus prices had severely dropped.
            So a recession, that made great uncertainty, and people who had jobs did not want to rock the boat too much.

            Opening of new efficient works had started to occur and the other unions realized that in the uncertain times were jeopardizing and making things tough on their members. So the damage had been done to Union membership.
            ————-

            To electioneer on this, would expose the Nats to being called benefit bashers.
            WFF also effects a large number of families, and did seem very much locked into our economic system.
            I do believe it could be phased out, but then also exposes concepts, of “family bashing” as homeless, accommodation shortages ceaselessly ongoing in media.

            For me, I see migration is another version of WFF.
            It increases GDP, but not per capita GDP.
            Perhaps the trade off is STOP WFF.
            STOP immigration or chop that back severely.

            I often wonder why some one plants a crop, then expects cheap labour to come in to pick it.
            Either up the wages, if it is so valuable, or find, or develop a technology so that it can be harvested, and show a much higher GDP per capita.

            Talk of investment in people, to change people to be of value, that is not only to themselves, but to the country, as they work and produce at a higher per capita GDP level.

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            • And therein the problem, right? None of our current politicians (except 1 I can think of) will make substantial changes, because they put their pay packet above the outcomes their jobs should deliver. They’re deliberately not doing their jobs well, because doing them well would see them voted out and demoted.

              We need a Trump, man. We need a Trump.

              Talk of investment in people, to change people to be of value, that is not only to themselves, but to the country, as they work and produce at a higher per capita GDP level.

              Maybe. How many opportunities do people have in this country though and how often are they taken up and used?

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    • Normally I’d agree, but I’m happy to tolerate him while he’s busy pointing out the CoL’s failures

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  13. This article only points the finger at the real issue.

    …. tourism industry uses about 65 per cent of Bali’s water ….
    …. average tourist uses between 2,000 and 4,000 litres of water a day, …..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7761323/Tourists-blamed-water-shortage-Bali-threatening-lives-50-million.html

    To think the old 44 gallon drum is 200 litres, and the lower use rate of the tourist is 10 drums.
    Though I think it may also be for other ancillary services, like staff in hotels, etc..
    Just how do they use up so much water, maybe need Helen Clark’s shower heads. 🙁 or just a bit more commonsense.

    Hope those monsoonal rains are not too far off time wise for Bali.

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  14. Just as an aside, does anyone know much about student allowances
    How much are they
    And how long can students get them for?

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    • Amber Rose and Christie Marceu are already dead by imported Indians, too late, it’s only just begun.

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  15. Hmmm. . . . . .Police get armed patrols, then talk of AR-10’s instead of AR-15’s, now armoured Land Cruisers. And confiscating civilian firearms at the same time. Just coincidence I suppose.

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  16. Shaun Plunkett was talking about “Turn Ardern”. Apparently it is a thing, people turning the magazine covers in dairies and supermarket magazine stands with Ardern on the front cover around so they don’t have to look at her. Some think it is childish, it probably is but it is also hilarious because the left think it is dreadful!!! On the other hand the left apparently think a meme “Burning Bridges” is hilarious. Would the left think the same if Ardern dissenters started one of “Burning Ardern”. Would that be hilarious too?!!
    😲

    ‘He’s fragile’: Jacinda Ardern backers bite back as #TurnArdern trends on Twitter
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/he-s-fragile-jacinda-ardern-backers-bite-back-as-turnardern-trends-on-twitter.html

    Diggy, is that you?

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  17. If someone told you Ardern in her first term would:

    1. Confiscate thousands of legally owned fire arms.
    2. Set up hit teams patrolling around in black SUVs.
    3. Deploy armoured patrols.
    4. Begin censoring the internet.
    5. Establish a ministry of truth.

    What would you have said?

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      • Just keep in mind that Ardern doesn’t want to go after criminals. She wants to go after people who oppose her. So those “Raptors Mk1” aren’t going to be chasing the Mongrel Mob, they’ll be visiting you, me and others like us.

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  18. Live updates: White Island volcano erupts, massive plume visible
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/white-island-volcano-erupts-massive-plume-visible.html

    3:05pm – There are reports people were on the island at the time of the eruption and several are injured.

    A local reporter says a rescue operation is underway.

    3pm – MetService has issued a volcanic ash advisory for aircraft.

    2:53pm – A local resident can see White Island from his deck and says it looks “spectacular”.

    “There’s a lot more steam than normal, I don’t know if it is a full eruption, but it looks pretty spectacular,” Don Richards told Newshub.

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  19. White island is erupting.

    Nasska called and said it’s because of gay marriage and the cannabis referendum. He suggested we pray.

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  20. Cindy, will be talking about White Island shorty. Someone should ask her if climate change was a factor.

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    • ODT reports that tourists from the Ovation of the Sea could be among those visiting the island.
      Doesn’t sound very good at this stage.

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    • Footage of several people on the rim of the volcano when cloud of gas exploded. They are possibly passengers from the Ovation of the Sea.
      The alert level had been raised two weeks ago to ‘2’. Perhaps White Island access should have been closed at that stage. Hindsight and everything…

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  21. I wasn’t impressed today with Bridges saying he was relaxed about changing New Zealands name to that other …rower one.

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    • Piss off soimon. He can be relaxed as he likes about it..its the people of NZ who should, and will have the final say. Supposed to be a democracy ya know, Bridges. 2 ticks ACT.

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    • Very fab 🤣😅😂

      But the media will respond with more PR pieces and attacks on the opposition. The sheeple will comply.

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    • Ive got some spare time..I will be heading out to ChCh mall bookshops tomorrow to turn books around. Great idea!

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    • I was just trying to see some footage. All I got was Ardern pretending to care and media talking about Ardern.

      What a hideous narcissist.

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      • Everything about her is fake. Ardern wouldn’t know sincerity if it flew around the room singing Jingle Bells & disappeared up her arse.

        She gives me the shits!

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        • nasska, the most terrifying thing about Ardern is the number of people who can’t see she’s totally fake. If she got called out on her bullshit it would limit the harm she could do.

          If the media were not corrupt that would be the case.

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        • And she wonders why her kid doesn’t love her, worse, acknowledge her.
          Children are wonderful judges of character….until they are told to stop.

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      • Captain’s call imminent: No more White Island tours, skiing banned on Ruapehu, and Rotorua evacuated permenently.

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        • Would you evacuate Auckland as well with 23 volcanoes aswell.
          Move all of Akd to Marsden point. Wont need Twyfords rail anymore!

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      • She is donning hard hat, orange vest,gumboots and gasmask and heading of to the area.
        Disastor photo whoring we go. Hi Ho the merry go!
        Last time Phool Goof turned up for pitcures in shiny shoes and suit, ready to pitch in!

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    • you say
      ‘White Island deemed too dangerous for police or search and rescue services to land on as yet’.

      This was the same shit they pulled at the Pike River explosion.
      They have no idea and should be technical assistants, not in control.

      It is not a crime scene, it is a natural disaster where there are people who know far more than them.
      Their competence level is very, very low as they cant even perform core tasks like protecting guns in PN Station or guns in their car in Gore.

      The cops have a track record of not listening to anyone else outside their own nepotic world.
      There is no example of any case in fifty years that anyone can point to where they backed down when they should have.
      Their track record this year is to turn up and shoot first without full facts.
      They cover for a corrupt govt in many areas now and get leeway on these cock ups.

      On the 22 Feb 2011 earthquake people got in and rescued their fellow man/person because there were so many sub events. The cops could not control all that.
      If the cops had control the death toll would have been higher.

      The cops there with the Sandringham Slapper doing dour face will be a shocker.

      50 years ago NZers would have treated this like Dunkirk and got the boats out there to rescue people; knowing that it was risky for all concerned.
      Sounds like there are 25+ people still there.
      It will be another foul up.

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  22. A little more info from the White Island eruption:

    …….”One fatality has been confirmed and there will likely be more, National Operation Commander Deputy Commissioner John Tims told a press conference at 6.35 today.”…….

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12292240

    Earlier there was mention that 50 people were thought to have been on the island at the time. Twenty three have been taken off & one dead so far. It’s not looking good.

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    • The media are using Winston to deflect criticism from Ardern. Basically they are creating the illusion he is the problem with the coalition. But it’s really Ardern & Co.

      Winston is a side show.

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  23. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to front Christmas episode of Goodnight Kiwi

    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will appear as the children’s storyteller in a special Christmas Day episode of Goodnight Kiwi. Ardern is the latest guest to join Kiwi and Cat, reading New Zealand children a bedtime tale in a episode that will stream on TVNZ OnDemand next week before screening on TVNZ 2 on Christmas Day. The Prime Minister will read the famous Kiwi kid’s story Hairy Maclary from Donaldson’s Dairy by Dame Lynley Dodd.”

    What have the poor children done to deserve this?!

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  24. People are still trapped on the volcano. Will this be another Pike River where the police stoped the highly trained experts from doing their job and rescuing survivors- because power trip?

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    • I posted this there

      I can’t see why its too dangerous. They dropped the level from 4 to 3. But just as in Pike River, they will stuff this up. If that was a steam erruption, the safest time to go in is immediately after the initial erruption, before the volcano gets a chance to rebuild pressure. If any body is injured out there, they wil die due to the inaction of the people tasked with rescuing them.

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      Further to my comment

      “”Our monitoring equipment is still operating, and we have seen a steady decline in activity since the eruption. There remains significant uncertainty as to future changes but currently, there are no signs of escalation.”

      https://watchers.news/2019/12/09/white-island-volcano-eruption-december-9-2019/

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      • The primary goal of the police is not rescuing people.

        The police are there to gather evidence for a prosecution due to the loss of life.

        The absurdity here is in NZ the prosecutors are put in charge of the rescuers !!!

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        • The role of the cops, the media, and the unions is pretty messed up in 2019 compared to their original Raison d’etre.

          The cops are even appointing themselves executioners in 2019 – bypassing a fair trial.
          ..and the murder rate in 2019 is way up.
          Is this a response of fight fire with fire?

          They have moved on from Robert Peel’s First Principles.

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    • With Timms in charge of both places, you may be right. If he is the next head plod then we are fucked. Might as well let the crims in and not resist.

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        • The problem with the police pretty much starts at HQ level. At rank & file there are some bloody good blokes who are not short of guts.

          We had a rural sole charge cop in my part of the Wairarapa a while back. Had a crap attitude which didn’t help him much in his job but saved an injured yachty’s life when he jumped off a chopper & pulled himself onto the boat in storm conditions off Flat Point. If anything had gone wrong he was fucked but he did it anyway.

          They must rewire their brains before they’re promoted.

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      • Sad to say those who were close to the rim of the crater are probably not going to notice if it is tomorrow before anyone else lands on White Island.

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    • It’s because too many people want to own a tragedy,
      They have no scruples and will nonchalantly mock the heroes.
      We are living in a very sick world.

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    • I’m thankful we didn’t get him in Hawke’s Bay.
      Our Board chair was sidelined for a commissioner (AnnetteKing’s husband) for no apparent reason despite enjoying considerable public support in the elections.
      Now we’ve got some bloke who speaks te reo.
      I think David Clark saw the way Twyford managed Housing and has said Hold My Beer

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  25. Geez I’d like to be able to watch a White Island story or vidoe without Ardern’s face being all over the place.

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    • Best coverage has been on Skynews Aus.

      Now they have said Aussies are among those missing lots of interest over there.
      5 dead 20 missing and they can’t land back on the island.

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        • Sooty those poor buggers trapped on the island now police have banned rescue. I can barely imagine it.

          Surely they can send a boat in. A quick in and out.

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          • In 1968 the Wahine grounded at Barrett Reef.
            It was a couple hundred yards off shore.
            People got off their arses and tried to rescue people.
            It was a hell of a situation with still the strongest winds ever recorded in NZ at over 260 km/hr.
            It was not successful but people tried.

            The cops were actually helpful and also put out a call for people with Land rovers – pretty much the only 4WD in existence here at that time.
            People came ashore along the coast south of Eastbourne and were ferried by the Land Rovers to ambulances.

            People did not get sooky about personal safety as the people on the boat were far worse off.
            It was a combined effort in extreme conditions.
            Extreme.
            Those days are over.

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  26. Personally I would be pretty wary of volcanoes. Though I did foolishly explore burning coal mine with flames and toxic smoke billowing out of vents and holes. Bloody stupid but it was interesting and surreal.

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    • Reminds me of my visit to buggi street in Singapore. They had the dance of the flaming arse holes.
      Anyone else see that?

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    • Coal fires can burn for years.
      Just needs oxygen once started.
      Oxygen + carbon. What is that again?

      The near surface peat bogs can also burn for years.
      The sneaky wee bastards don’t pay any carbon tax for their wasteful ways!

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  27. Manhunt Underway For Missing Saudi Students After Shooting At Pensacola Naval Base

    https://newsbreakinglive.com/2019/12/08/manhunt-underway-for-missing-saudi-students-after-shooting-at-pensacola-naval-base/

    US Marshals helping track down as many as 10 Saudi nat’ls who have gone missing since Fri’s terrorist attack on Pensacola air station, as fed investigators suspect the AWOL Saudi enrollees may be tied to Saudi terror cell that infiltrated US Navy installation in FL

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    • Ardern’s adhan the “Christchurch Call” seems to be censoring even a manifesto in the USA naval shooting.
      ….. Cernovich, Ngo, and Hegseth had been suspended for posting the shooter’s manifesto.
      However, neither Cernovich nor Hegseth’s tweets included the manifesto. ….
      …… multiple journalists and media personalities have been suspended from Twitter for reporting details on shooter Mohammed Alshamrami. …..

      https://www.thepostmillennial.com/journalists-suspended-from-twitter-for-reporting-on-pensacola-shooters-motivation/

      Another supremacist’s manifesto bites the dust. 🙁

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      • Brenton Tarrant was not a supremacist. They banned his manifesto because they lied about his beliefs.

        Mohammad’s manifesto is banned because it shows the motivation was Islam.

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        • Prove it ! 🙂
          How dare you! 🙁
          Ardern is the supremacist, calling for an adhan, and wearing a hijab shows she knows what she talks about.

          Mohammed Alshamrami’s seems to be more in line with Osama bin Laden & al-Awlaki using some updated quotes, that seems like a closer affiliation to al-Qaeda, which also is more of a threat to Saudi’s leadership.
          That is why the shooting is not in line with Saudi peoples thinking.

          The “Christchurch Call” is just a handy supremacist tool to be put into practice. 🙂

          Now, no blasphemy is allowed here!

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    • Being Saudi one might want to look for them in a Flying school !!

      Too Soon?

      Hiding in plain sight.
      With the FBI looking for them I would not hold out any hope.
      Probably one of the most perverse organisations to ever be created.

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      • I remember drinking with a bunch of Saudis who were all at flight school. Here in NZ. No shit.

        They said there was a shortage of pilots and it was good money.

        And yes they do drink. Whiskey usually.

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  28. 9/11 was always a bit too out there……that’s why they are looking within.
    The deep state needed an enemy to promote war.
    The war on terror was always created and funded by the same people who want us gone.
    Fabricate an enemy and then fund the means to carry out their extermination.
    The UN is using climate change hysteria to accelerate the process.
    De-populating the world is No.1 on their AGENDA.

    For the First Time Since 9/11, Federal Gov’t Takes Steps to Prosecute the Use of Explosives to Destroy WTCs

    In what can be described as a monumental step forward in the relentless pursuit of 9/11 truth, a United States Attorney has agreed to comply with federal law requiring submission to a Special Grand Jury of evidence that explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Centers.

    https://thedailycoin.org/2018/12/04/for-the-first-time-since-9-11-federal-govt-takes-steps-to-prosecute-the-use-of-explosives-to-destroy-wtcs/

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    • Mate do you understand how difficult it is to make a building collapse into its footprint like that? I just can’t see how they could have done it undetected.

      I’m prepared to believe it was a false flag. Just like The Lavon Affair, USS Liberty attack, King David Hotel bombing….

      Guess which world leader openly said it was good for their country?

      Hint, the West has been on a relentless campaign of war and regime change against their enemies, since 911

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