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  1. This seemed to be life in Australia, as far back as 1826, just get on live it.

    The Australian (Sydney, NSW : 1824 – 1848) Wed 29 Nov 1826
    Great fires in the bush are things of such common occur-rence, that it seldom happens to be worth while making particular mention of them.
    They are, for the most part, serviceable, as they tend to clear away patches of forest-trees and bush-wood, and get rid of so much nuisance.

    The fires, however, which commenced to burn on Friday night, and which attracted general notice from their magnitude, and the unusual range of land through which they ex-tended, have proved of very serious consequences to most persons whose property lay in their vicinity.
    On the North shore, on the Botany road, near Liverpool, and in other places, they have occasioned great damage, and to some have proved productive of heavy loss and calamity.
    The amount of injury sustained is as yet but little known. Mr. Wollstonecraft has had his fences burnt down, and mis-chief done to an amount exceeding two hundred pounds.
    An excellent orchard and a good house at Kingsgrove, the property of Mr. Lord, of Macquarie-place, has been consumed.
    Several bridges have been destroyed, and travelling in such places interrupted thereby. Between
    Liverpool and Parramatta this has happened.
    The fires raged with the greatest violence wherever they broke out, spreading like wildfire, and scarcely allowing persons gifted with the faculty of running pretty fleetly the chance of escaping it.

    The horizon was completely clouded, for several miles, with the masses of smoke issuing from them ; and the ship which arrived on Sunday, the Speke, when at a great distance from shore, before indeed those on board could distinguish the land, had her decks covered with embers. Several cattle have been burnt to death ; and it is calculated that the loss of property by the fire is greater than ever known before in the Colony, by a similar event.
    A house in the occupation of Milsom, a milkman on the North Shore, was burnt down on Saturday. A man named Macnamara, who lived in the neighbourhood of Wilberforce, was burnt to death— his crop of wheat and his house, and other property completely destroyed. He himself was missing for some time, and was at length dis-covered lifeless in the midst of burnt brush-wood.
    At the farm at Petersham considerable damage was done. Nearly a hundred pounds’ worth of fence was destroyed—fruit trees injured, and a filly foal by Camerton, worth upwards of 80 guineas, burnt to death. The house narrowly es- caped the conflagration.
    Not a bridge, it is supposed, would have been left standing between Sydney and Parra-matta, but for the timely employment of government ser-vants in clearing the sides of the road as the fires extended.
    The hot winds and particles of dust have affected the eye sight of many persons.
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37073689?searchTerm=Preventing

    About 80% down in the scroll down section.

    So was that caused by the wind-powered ships, bullock & horse powered transport?
    Just slightly over due for a burn out, and from that experience, they would have learnt to do more back burn fires, to reduce the fuel loading.

    This is a clear cut battle to win, to rout the green globalist climate alarmists, to force them to face the truth and the history of Australian fires, and the greater costs that their systems impose on the environment, animals and people.
    That truth must be shoved ceaselessly at them.

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    • 1939 VICTORIA REPORT OF THE ROYAL COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO
      The Causes of and Measures Taken to Prevent the
      Bush Fires of January, 1939,

      Page 16
      Controlled Burning.-—-This consists of strip and patch burning. The amount of this burning which was done was ridiculously inadequate.
      The Commission’s officers regard the forest as a producer of revenue and for this reason and because their education appears to lead them to demand that no tree or seedling be destroyed except in the course of silviculture,
      they are averse to binning of any sort. In one instruction to officers to pile and burn thinnings they were directed not to do so if damage to seedlings would result.
      The Commission has control of 16,000,000 acres of forests or produce of forests.
      It will not, without great reluctance, even in its own domain of 5,000,000 acres, sacrifice a small portion for the protection of the remainder or of the private landholder.
      It now agrees th a t burning is necessary and desirable.
      It had carried out some burning operations.

      Marginal Protection.—Wherever marginal protection works (i.e., protective works on fringes of forest) have been carried out, they have been done for the protection of the forest.
      Where it has been necessary to protect only settlement from spread of fire from the forest, practically no marginal work has been done.
      I t was apparent during the course of the Inquiry that the Commission’s officers had not considered the question of their duty to protect the adjacent landholder.
      http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/action/singleViewer.do?dvs=1577906529469~898&locale=en_US&metadata_object_ratio=10&show_metadata=true&VIEWER_URL=/view/action/singleViewer.do?&preferred_usage_type=VIEW_MAIN&DELIVERY_RULE_ID=10&frameId=1&usePid1=true&usePid2=true
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      Much more to read on the 36 page report

      A shorter way but note some of the leanings also as put by wiki.

      Judge Stretton’s recommendations officially sanctioned and encouraged the common bush practice of controlled burning to minimise future risks.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_bushfires#Stretton_Royal_Commission_and_long-term_consequences

      The effect of the timber industry via the Government Forestry, trying to husband resources to itself.
      Now the Green Environmental Industry, using sanctuaries, environment species protection, saving animals, etc. etc. etc..

      Once they got control of councils, shires etc, and could affect them through protests, etc.. then bent the laws and rules to fit their climate change environment sustainability ecological agenda ideas & theories.
      Now they are looking to harvest this tragedy to pressure people through terror, of “How Dare You”, to bring further taxes and controls to be applied by government.

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  2. Tony Blair started it in the UK saying that any free speech was being racist so that he could keep bringing in immigrants.

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    • and reaffirmed in the UN Global Immigration Pact, that NZ First’s leader, Winston Peters merrily signed New Zealand into, with no debate or discussion.

      The UN Global Immigration Pact having a whole section devoted to controlling language, and media, that can now be tested in NZ courts, and used by Race Relation Conciliators, Human Rights Commissioners, Chief Censors, to feed into to the Judiciary system.

      OBJECTIVE 17: Eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public
      discourse to shape perceptions of migration [etc… a) to g)]
      https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180713_agreed_outcome_global_compact_for_migration.pdf

      Shame on Winston Peters! & Shame on NZ First.

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      • This time;- they will do it better. 🙁

        This time they will do the immigration under UN auspices, so to be absolutely ! sure it can be done better. 🙁

        As after all, it can be said;- #theyareus and with adhans of dua, this time combined with full on powhiri, through out the nation, with wellness & kindness, makes a great welcoming, proving that NZ can punch above its weight & lead the world in “super-diversity”. yeah right.

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  3. An interesting read, and take on things, giving glimpses of the machination of “the man” behind the curtain.

    …. the Party’s narrative management: the people who don’t believe it, and the people who do.
    In the Party’s perfect world, it would have a monopoly on information and interpretation. However, it’s battling a trend that began with the invention of writing: the ever-increasing availability and dispersion of information.
    The latest untoward development is the Internet, which allows virtually anyone to disclose a secret, reveal a lie, express an opinion, satirize, post a photograph or video, or otherwise challenge Party narratives.
    The many that wither under Internet scrutiny reveal the Party for what it is: a serial, unrepentant liar.

    Looking at threats to or from the Internet—intelligence agency surveillance, state censorship, and social media companies’ exclusion and elimination of disfavored political views—there is cause for concern.
    The threats are certainly threatening, but looking at what the Internet has already wrought argues against total despair.

    Twenty years ago, the whole concept of a Deep State was fringe, a notion embraced only by kooks and so-called conspiracy theorists. There was an American Deep State with international connections and it had been running the country since at least WWII, but it really was deep, few people on the outside were aware of it. Now, the phrase is routinely cited by the president, deployed every day in the alternative media, and even the mainstream media occasionally use it.

    In fact, the mainstream media has gone from denying the Deep State to telling us what a great thing it is, the last bulwark against a Trump dictatorship. …….
    https://straightlinelogic.com/2019/12/06/hows-that-alternative-reality-working-out-for-you-by-robert-gore/

    Sometimes we are right, sometimes wrong, but it all needs to be debated, discussed, thought about, for everyone to figure it out, for themselves!
    Not for a party, religion, state, that then becomes a cult, that uses controlling forces to heighten stress, pain, up to death;- putting obstacles, to hinder and make suffer in time & costs etc.

    Use it or lose it, Free Speech, Free Expression;- Cartoons, Bill-boards, Ditties, Placards, etc…

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  4. The voter knows Winston Peter’s whole time in politics has been racial with bullshit and used every Election. Let’s face it there is one rule for him a different rule for others if it doesn’t suit his Narrative. You have to go back on the last election to realize Peters will stop at nothing to achieve his goal of hate and lies and to prove look at the legal case he took against Paula Bennett and Ann Tolley.

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    • I saw that Peters had the potential to be a Prime Minister when he was in the Bolger government.
      However in meeting him, and going to some meetings around then, I could see the principles of a
      “blow hard’.
      Never ever did support him as could see he was just a flake, power hungry, and like a spoilt child, but with the gift of the gob, that is not challenged by media, as they want mischief done for their purposes & beliefs.

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        • It’s a pity Ed can’t keep a post open so all can highlight some of Peter’s bullshit promises and hate rants leading into a Election. I would suggest with all the old minds around here it could amount to a reasonable number.

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          • All the posts are open. You can bookmark and comment on them. Ed has in the past also pinned a post so it stays at the top.

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          • Do a guest post recording all his broken promises and I will pin it to the top for all to see. It might be longer that the Simon and Cindy conversation.
            Actually send me all the broken promises and a I will add a new conversation to maga between Winston and David Seymour

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  5. Our very own example of suppression of free speech by MSM lacky Patrick Gower who believes if someone disagrees with your view they have a right to prevent you speaking and accuses Molyneux and Southern of hate speech. Shame on you Gower.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUR9U6Srj7g
    Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux | Newshub

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    • I think Genter crusade against motorists will come back to bite her and the COL
      People like to be able to drive sensibly! and they love their cars.

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      • But is it a showerhead/lightbulb moment?
        Aunty Hlen is never going to live that down. Was the twit Twyford in parliament then, sounds like something he would have thought up!

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    • Same penalties as in Sweden?, fines based on income? as the higher the income then higher the fine.
      Will the beneficiaries be given extra top ups, for their misdemeanors, as one must think of the poverty stricken children.

      Speed limits as per Swedish formula, so 30 k urban streets?
      70 k and less for rural roads?

      Free travel perk, and probably extra Holiday time for JAG coming up in February in Sweden. and all the transport consultants, as there is a UN transport sustainability conference.
      Does she want this done before, so as to look good, or after with all these bright reasons why this has to be done like so.

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      • JAG has to pull finger as parliament sits in the begining of feb!
        Is she on extended holiday/junket on our dime in europe?

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    • I knew it.

      This is why the media is running a misinformation campaign about road accidents. To create the illusion Ardern is solving a big problem. The media work hand in glove with police and Ardern.

      You can all thank your favourite lobby group of authoritarian nut jobs, the police, for this too.

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    • Why bother to quote the cock gobblers at New Shub when their headline when I click on their sicko website is:-

      “Bushfires smoke heads north, create ‘Trumpian orange’ Auckland sunrise”
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home.html

      They may have changed it by the time you read this, but zero credibility fuckwits feel the need to drag Trump ‘orange man bad’ into their smorgasbord of lies when it has nothing to do with him..
      Perhaps this was inspired by the lefty, pinko commentator and poor predictor of things, Davy Farrar.

      No credibility of the lying media filth that employs the likes of Chipmunk Gower.
      Best avoided now.

      Some people have smart TVs and smart refrigerators.
      I have Smart Rabbit ears. They were about $4 from the ‘$2 dollar shop’ and are smart enough to not pick up TV3.
      Peace on earth and joy to all men (and women, trannies and anything else they identify as) 🙂

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  6. What happened to the medical cannabis debate?
    Seems to be overtaken by labours everbody can get stoned!
    Not without roadside and work testing, it don’t!

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    • The Greens say you can grow 2 plants in your vege garden. After that smoking that much you won’t care about any health issues you have. 😳

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  7. Here is a teaser from the new website
    Launched in January 2020, MAGA is a way of trying to get balance to the media bullshit constantly being foisted on the uninformed public of New Zealand.
    I launched the increasingly popular blog, You Stupid Boy, http://www.ysb.co.nz, in April 2019. This was my attempt to bring a different viewpoint to that offered in the blogosphere of New Zealand. I am not affiliated with any New Zealand political party.
    With the slow erosion of free speech, censorship and growing government control of our daily lives, I thought it was time to fight back against the onset of tyranny and corruption in our government. Maga is an off shoot of YSB. You can read the comments here and go to YSB. Whether you agree or disagree with the comments, you are welcome to voice your opinions at YSB.
    Freedom of speech is too important to not have your say.

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  8. Gerard Batten has resigned from UKIP in the UK. I see this as a good thing because now he can really start to speak out about the problems facing Britain and by extension us here in New Zealand. And he is off to a cracking good start with this tweet:

    “If you want to see an example of failed socialism go to an Indian reservation”.

    If you want to know where uncontrolled & unlimited immigration ultimately leads to ask a Native American. https://twitter.com/text88022/status/1212400194677071873

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  9. Alice: I believe a similar statement could be made about Maori; lots of money, given, lots of help, as well, but no apparent and positive end result, except for an increase in the amounts in the wallets of tribal leaders.; leaders who still complain despite the increase in their bank balances and will always play the victim because it suits their purposes.

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    • The same with the Aborigines in Australia.
      The government gives them lots of free money and they drink all day on their reservations.
      Out of sight out of mind.

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    • “Love your work Lindsay.”

      So do I – he is **excellent!**.
      He has a razor-sharp mind and no tolerance for left-wing BS. I assume that must be why he disappeared from our screens long ago.

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  10. Isn’t it strange, that in 20 years the LGBTQ movement went from ‘What we do in the bedroom is our business’ to ‘What we do in the bedroom, must be taught in schools’.

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    • Yeah it’s one thing coming out of the closet, but can’t you then just go quietly about your stuff in your own normal, just like the rest of us. No need to put it up in neon and bang the gongs. Isn’t the real sign of acceptance that no one gives a toss about you, just like the rest of us. No need to make it anyone else’s business.

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        • The panacea is “diversity and tolerance.”
          A myth created to drive prosperity, decency, respect and honour into the abyss of long forgotten civilisations.
          How’s that working out?
          Chaos in life and mind (incessant distractions) has been ingrained, for long enough now, to be the new way of living.
          Every page we turn, story we click on, conversation we have, is cut short due to fear of criticism, so you never get to the truth.
          The days of encouraged critical thinking, are gone.
          Do we not gauge a successful society by how well it has learnt from history?
          Is having a visceral hate for oneself really a reason to hate everyone else who happens to be content with who they are and the lot they got?
          It seems, OK Boomer, and, old fart syndrome, are fabricated excuses, to deny that wisdom and maturity actually exist.
          I am not the one raping your kids, stabbing your families, stealing or destroying your assets. Give it a rest!
          And to the so called progressives who are demanding me to bend my knee to a philosphy built on the waste that was thrown out by previous sane generations. Get a life, not a fake one, one with meaning and substance.
          My message to you is this…..take a breath and calm the fuck down,

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  11. Hands up those of you who believe the gun control hysteria we have been suffering these last nine months was a reaction to the terrible terrorist atrocity in Christchurch. Wrong! Christchurch was cynically used as a pretext and the origin of the anti-gun legislation so quickly introduced dates back considerably further than last March as this article from January 2013 which I have just come across explains: 
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/8158213/Arms-Act-changes-flawed-folly  

    “Arms Amendment Bill 285 (dating from 2011) is a fatally flawed attempt to remove the 2009 egg stains from the faces of a few senior police officers whose anti-gun extremist attitudes are firmly set on civilian disarmament.”  

    It is time for the police to be reined in again before they completely destroy what is left of “policing by consent.”

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    • Look who gained the most from Tarant’s actions. Arderns phony contrived parody of grief could not hide the dark glee she really felt.

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    • Excuse my French but F*ck! What an imbecilic opinion piece by an ignorant young man who actually believes his moronic thoughts matter. Why not? Not worth the effort to explain to such a pillock. Grow up and get some real life experience before pontificating on matters you don’t understand. No wonder NZ is circling the drain.

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    • OPINION:​ Happy New Year, reader. I’m living 2020 like I live most days.
      I start with huge expectations and then give in when things get hot, a huge bong, before eventually settling on doing very little.

      Fixed it for you, Glenn

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  12. I’ve been thinking about the free speech question and many other things discussed on this blog, and I reckon that a party which wants to break through and get traction in the next election needs to radically reframe the narrative.

    I think the categorisation of Left/Right is outdated and it doesn’t really swing it for the average voter anymore; largely because they probably tend to think that Left=soft but caring and Right=White Supremacist Racist Bigots.

    So how should we reframe this? My suggestion is to stop talking about Left and Right and start alerting the electorate more to the dangers of Creeping Totalitarianism.

    ACT is ideally placed here. Seymour has already been vocal on the free speech issue and I think that if ACT continue to focus on freedom vs totalitarianism they will potentially have a huge impact at the next election.

    Almost every political question can be framed as a freedom issue.

    A couple of examples:

    “Do you want NZ to be free to decide who lives here or do you want us to be slaves to the UN?”

    “Should NZ be free to develop its own energy resources, or do you want the state to tell us where we can and cannot explore?”

    “Do you want the freedom to rent your property to a willing tenant and the freedom to expect them to respect it, or do you want the government to clamp down on your rights and treat landlords as criminals?”

    In my opinion freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of (moral) action is now much more relevant than the old Left/Right labels. This is especially true now that we’re in the age of all-pervading electronic and AI surveillance.

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    • Yes we need to start called Labour and the Greens….
      Socialists
      And then say what socialists want to achieve
      State control of every thing.

      And being a right wing person is not alt right or fascists
      its being for Self Responsibility, Pro Businesses and freedom, and patriotism.

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    • I dont let authoritarian extremists control my language or define my beliefs.

      I am a liberal progressive environmentalist. Not an alt right Nazi fascist climate denier.

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  13. Ed:@ 1056: And this is where the problem arises; What is the difference between the two? . Unfortunately there seems to be a little between them, and Simon does nothing to dispel that similarity. In that regard, has anyone tried to obtain a copy of nationals policies? What we see on the website seems to be in lots of ‘Discussion documents’ , but no actual policies. A set of the party’s founding documents sets out exactly what the party stood for at the time of it’s creation, but to find it’s 21st century equivalent is impossible. Perhaps someone here can show me where they can be found? In the absence of clearly defined policies and a clear indication of what the Nats stand for, what are the alternatives? Act, will never be strong enough, Winnie is devious, as we know, and as for the other parties (the COL), forget it! To put it bluntly, there is no current right wing party in New Zealand worthy of the name, and it appears that this situation is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. Whether a change of leader would alter things is uncertain, as the alternatives (Collins, Bishop?), would be either vilified by the MSM, or completely ignored by them. The current options for right wing voters, would therefore seem to be very very small to the point of being nonexistent. Would that that was not the case…

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    • I know what you mean.
      But the New Conservatives to do have a list of 17 policies.
      Which is why I like to support them

      Here is their home page points

      WE STAND FOR
      A belief in loyalty to a sovereign and united New Zealand, the supremacy of democratic parliamentary institutions and the rule of law.
      A belief in the institutions of Parliament and the right of citizens to direct government by the democratic process including binding citizens initiated referenda.
      A belief in the equality of all New Zealanders and that all citizens, regardless of race, gender or religion, have equal rights and privileges.
      A belief in a decent society that values life, individual privacy, the freedom of the individual (including freedom of speech, conscience, faith and assembly), the right to defend one’s self and property and the importance of family.
      A belief that it is the responsibility of individuals to provide for themselves, their families and their dependents, while recognizing that government must respond to those who require assistance and compassion.

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      • You do yourself a disservice by swallowing hook, line & sinker the bits of policy the New Conservatives want you to joyously announce to the unwashed without doing due diligence on the arseholes fronting the party.

        …….”Elliot Ewen Pasione Ikilei (20) has a biblical verse in his personal details section, and includes a considerable number of fundamentalist likes in that section. He’s friends with the aforementioned David Roberts, Bob McCoskrie, Terries Heaven (“Spreading God’s Word”), Grace to Excel Ministries, His Amazing Glory Ministries, Elim Christian College, Horizon Church, Nelson Bays Church, fundamentalist National Manurewa candidate Simeon Brown, Hebron Christian College and the Seventh Day Adventist Church. His likes include Bill Subritzky (Auckland Pentecostal and past antigay hatemonger), Promise Keepers New Zealand, the Sensible Sentencing Trust, Life TV and Choose Life (anti-abortion), Decision magazine (Billy Graham Evangelistic Association), “NZ Men Fed Up With the New Zealand Family Court”, “Politically Incorrect NZ”, The Gate Church, Harvest Christian Church, Family First, Investigate magazine, Empowered Ministries and Horizon Church. Amongst his likes is the right-wing Centre for Political Research- yet he also seems to belong to an action group against the Trans Pacific Partnership Treaty, usually viewed as a leftist cause. One commends Mr Ikillei for his candour and honesty, at least-which seems to be sorely lacking amidst some of his colleagues, insofar as their fundamentalist and Christian Right affiliations go.”…….

        http://www.pridenz.com/gaynz/15683.html *

        * You may well in this case despise the messenger(s) but that does not discount the truths behind the message.

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        • I’m an atheist and I know that Elliot is a Christian. I’ve met him and had conversations with him one-on-one and he’s a straight up guy and he’s got his head screwed on as far as I’m concerned.

          I’ve never had the feeling that he wants to force his religious beliefs down anyone’s throat. There’s nothing wrong with being anti-gay either, just as there’s nothing wrong with not wanting our country to be overrun by Muslims.

          A far as I’m concerned if a man wants to fuck another man up the anus and they’re both above 18 and consenting, then they can go hell for leather – but don’t expect me to want their perversions shoved in my face 24/7.

          I really respect people like Lindsay Perigo and Douglas Murray, because being gay isn’t the only thing they have or all they talk about. They are intelligent people who happen to be gay rather than screeching poofs who expect everyone to validate their sexual fetishism at every turn.

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          • Dave you have told us about their views on muslims, but what is their plan to deal with the cancer of humanity- the jew?

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              • No JN I’m against those methods. I’m about ditching double standards and treating everyone the same.

                The same arguments being advanced here, against muslims, were used against Jews only recently.

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        • Well said nasska, only the truly deluded would believe the gloss from the conservatives. Look behind the scenes before giving them your vote. They might turn out to be from the same mould as Winston. Say what ever the electors want to hear to get elected. Once they get elected, revert to your hidden agenda.

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          • ED
            This is a Christian based country
            So its likely that many people in many parties are Christian.
            Would you rather all of our parties are run by jews, or muslims, or budhists.
            I wonder how many people in Act are Christian , or do you have to swear that you are not.

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            • Diggy we are not a Christian based country. A bunch of immigrants came here in their masses who happened to be Christians.

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          • I mentioned another day that I had talked to someone I know well who is in the thick of the NC party.
            They were in the National Party and found when it all boiled down the party machine was not really interested in ‘the people’.
            They are no way religious , very successful in business and now have a very good team around them planning for this years election.
            I have no problem supporting them and would show more concern over National promoting Luxon for future leadership when he is a fundamentalist Christian.

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      • One thing I know is that National are not foolish enough to announce any policies to do with spending much money or reducing taxes till close to the election. They will have scenarios but some of these will be amongst a small group of senior MPs.

        National has come out wisely on crime as they know that Labour will not counter it. They believe that everyone but the alleged Christchurch murder is capable of rehabilitation. This is a major point. More important than money is that my family is safe.

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        • Yes, don’t want Labour stealing their thunder.
          But what I’m waiting for is when Grant Robertson swallows the king of all dead rats and announces spending this year on some of National’s RONS which the CoL nuked. Can’t wait to see how they dress that one up.

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  14. Happy chappy at 11:41. But hey isn’t he just so with it, so woke, so wonderful. Reading that article was like listening to Jacinda’s election promises, and noticeably while stating that everyone should have ‘More days off’and ‘Work in professions that matter’ (including, presumably, journalism), he gives no thought, it seems, to those who do the menial jobs; the rubbush collectors, the posties, the riad sweepers, the dairy employees, even the latte makers (since evidently he is part of the Ponsonby Road set, and has no idea of life in the real world). And as for his proposal to ‘Give homes to everyone’! Perhaps he should have a talk to Mr Twyford about that. The woke live amongst us and naively believe they are the ones who have all the answers. Reality sometimes intervenes to show that in fact they know very llittle. Perhaps it should pay him a visit…

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    • ” (including, presumably, journalism), he gives no thought, it seems, to those who do the menial jobs; the rubbush collectors, the posties, the riad sweepers, the dairy employees, even the latte makers ”

      Komata, they are seen by the left elite as the “basket of deplorables” Hillary Clinton mused about in her speech. Not worth the effort for her or those of the left ilk to even show workers any respect.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw

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    • And the moon Sooty. Interstellar approval.
      Trump recently went to the optometrist for an eye check.
      The optometrist handed him the results and Trump scrolled to the bottom.
      It said:
      Donald J Trump 20/20.

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  15. Do we need more exact terms,? a better understanding how our finance system plays us.
    To target the exact part of the problem, should mean we have better ways of sorting out the problems. A better understanding will bring better alternatives, and although this is an American article, I think we can see how this relates and works in NZ.

    …… usage of the terms “capitalism” and “socialism” has evolved past the point of clear meaning.

    ….. These terms were once very clearly defined.
    Socialism is state control of the means of production. The intent is that these means are to be used for the public good. By contrast, capitalism is simply private ownership of the means of production …..
    ……. more than four in ten Americans think “some form of socialism” is a good thing. But what is “some form of socialism?” A society is either socialist or it isn’t. The state either owns the means of production or it doesn’t. …..
    …… think about socialism is not an economic system but particular economic outcomes. ……
    …… the question of what people should have. ……
    ….Capitalism, they believe, is immoral because it is a system in which some do without while others have more than they could hope to use in multiple lifetimes. …..

    …… politicians ….. ,,,,, are not advocating socialism at all; they are advocating what we should really call “transferism.”
    Transferism is a system in which one group of people forces a second group to pay for things that the people believe they, or some third group, should have.
    Transferism isn’t about controlling the means of production.
    It is about the forced redistribution of what’s produced. …..

    Cronyism vs. Capitalism ….
    How much Transferism Do We Want?

    The only winners have been the politicians who manage to gather votes by keeping the electorate in a near-constant state of friction.
    And they keep winning if people keep thinking in categories that ceased to have any real meaning years ago.

    https://fee.org/articles/transferism-not-socialism-is-the-drug-americans-are-hooked-on

    It still shows how politicians and government are always trying to rummage through your pockets, valuables, assets, resources and bank accounts., and is more obviously showing how the sleight of hand works, in the name of democracy and their political power of control with more taxes, fees, levies etc…

    Perhaps we can see, that one of the great transfer Presidents may actually be Trump.
    Whether it is effective, good for the economy, jobs, health, etc… maybe if the speed is fast enough to stay ahead, and it may be all in part of how he negotiates. Well for the time being, and whether some structural changes can be put in place. Just what that is I have no idea.

    As our finance minister Roberson is being enticed to spend up, bribe up, on our supposedly cheap interest rates.
    So who will be receiving the transferred money? and who is being affected by it being taken?
    Just what is the best way for this to be done?

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    • edit,, Just what is the best way for this to be done? or maybe not at all?
      What are the true priorities, for New Zealanders?

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        • The little red hen was lucky,
          It was free, and still had enough to eat. 🙂

          Killing the Goose. that lays the Golden Egg, and a simple concept and fable of explanation behind the Laffer curve which is further detailed from Wiki.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
          No matter about tweaks, the principle remains.

          But some do not want to debate, discuss or reason,
          Trump referred to a protest that disrupted and ultimately shut down a Binghamton University (BU) lecture given by Arthur B. Laffer, a revered economist and recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
          https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-praises-student-who-confronts-radical-mobs-trying-to-shut-down-speech-on-campus_3185537.html

          Why do they think that concept from Laffer is so bad?
          Do they believe money should just be created and handed to them?
          Just a simple “transfer” to enrich them? like that “stuff” journalist.

          Makes me think of them as fraudsters as they first start out, then turning into an, actual conniving murderous den of thieves, worse than even the mafioso
          …………………
          The productive will need to be whipped? beaten? and just to work for a minimum amount of food, if any.
          Well that is because there will be only a minimal amount of food, like the first Russian famine.

          class struggle led to an almost totally imaginary class categorization being inflicted in the villages, where peasants with a couple of cows or five or six acres [about 2 ha] more than their neighbors were now being labeled “kulaks,” and a class war against them declared.

          During the summer of 1918, Moscow sent armed detachments to the villages to seize grain. Any peasant who resisted was labeled a kulak: “The Communists declared war on the rural population for two purposes: to extract food for the cities and the Red Army and to insinuate their authority into the countryside, which remained largely unaffected by the Bolshevik coup”
          .
          A large-scale revolt ensued and it was during this period that Lenin sent a directive in August 1918:
          “Hang (hang without fail, so the people see) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers. […] Do it in such a way that for hundreds of versts [kilometers] around the people will see, tremble, know, shout: they are strangling and will strangle to death the bloodsucker kulaks”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak

          Note how definition of kulak kept reducing downwards, shifting the goal posts, so as to scoop everything and the rationalizing of this practice of social engineering in the name of “social justice for all” went on there for decades.

          So some, are on a mission, to have equal outcomes, for all, well always exceptions, and they believe they will be above that, as loyal approved workers, even though the goal posts will change so they also will eventually also become gulag bound. 🙁

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        • That’s why the North in England voted for Boris.
          They were sick of paying taxes so all the illegals coudl get houses and free money.

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          • Paying high taxes, for others, and then no security for your family.

            And the long delay of Councils, Social, Police, Justice system that made their children suffer, tens+ of thousands+ and it continues.

            Savid Khan has started inquiries about “asian pedophiles” and with BoJo, should have enough mojo to drain the swamp.
            If not then it will become BoJo’s downfall though not much choice for the native voter or someone stronger still may emerge.

            I believe he knows, and maybe innovative enough to get there. Proof of the pudding in a few years time.

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    • 1. They audience laughed and clapped. The ourage was manufactured by the media.

      2. If this was crude, then what are the despicable “jokes” about Trump.

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      • President Trump says his “favourite colour is orange!”. Trump drives the left crazy by laughing at the lefts pitiful attempt at humour. The left don’t get it.

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  16. I am wondering where the PTPM is over The Australian fires? Why is she not offering assistance? They need bottled water, toilet paper and other necessary grocery items that I am sure we could supply. Are they not woke enough for SLG to be concerned about with a tea towels on her head and hugz and feelz. Not a good enough opportunity for pictures etc for her? No vogue cover on the offering wth her shown offering assistance to Australia?
    Lots of our closest neighbours are suffering due to the fires with loss of their housing cars etc thanks to their woke Green Party. I would have thought the least we could do would be offer them assistance wherein how they need it. I am aware some NZ fire fighters are there helping but she, ptpm loves a disaster usually. Holidays are not times for the ptpm to be ignoring the world.

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    • Her PR and media team will have it all laid out.

      Her rotted loin fruit and sleazy relationship will be rolled out at exactly the right time.

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    • ……”Holidays are not times for the ptpm to be ignoring the world”……

      My guess is that PriNZess is under mild sedation & undergoing therapy in some private clinic. She was falling apart & the strain was telling badly towards the end of last year.

      She’s the CoL’s only hope for victory in September. They’ve got to hold her together until at least then even if it involves bandaids & iceblock sticks!

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      • There must have been an intervention nasska.

        It would be great if she returned from rehab and stood down.

        It could happen as it would appeal to her rampant narccissim. Her media would spin it as being about her selfless devotion to her rotted loin fruit, family etc. It would be sickening, but she would be gone.

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        • Concerning what’s her face,
          She was probably told to fuck off by airport staff, the people who actually work, as she crossed the tarmac, both here and there.
          Wouldn’t bother her though.
          The distraction of a Nation in need, during destructive fires is a nuisance for her, but at least she can focus on the trivial things, like corrupting a country, she cares little if anything, for.

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    • From WG’s link:

      ……” dealing with land clearing laws, zoning laws and planning walls around people’s properties”……

      Well overdue. No one should have to watch the destruction of their property as the direct result of Green policy. Either make it illegal to build in the countryside or mandate effective firebreaks.

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  17. I was going to complain about the mindless religious jokes on this blog since 5:30
    But then the Ed joined in
    So I have to worry if this blog will ever get any where.

    Maybe I should make allowances as its New Year.

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    • I was going to complain about your endless religious and racial attacks – then I suddenlly remembered I’m not an immense fuckwit and hypocrite.

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      • Splendid idea. He can write endlessly about the brown people, heathens and muslims. Before being dragged away screaming by his beloved police 🤣

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    • ……”I was going to complain about the mindless religious jokes “…….

      Whether comments about the determination of religious arseholes to force us to live our lives according to their dogma are acceptable is subjective but if I intend something to be read in humorous vein I’ll indicate that it should be. The absence of a “smiley” should indicate that I’m deathly serious about yet another threat to freedom of thought & action.

      Religion & its practise is the most corrosive threat NZ in 2020 has to face be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism whatever. I make no distinction between the brands of the crap. It happens that we live in a nominally Xtian country & it makes sense to fire at the targets in front of us but that doesn’t negate the threat of the others.

      As an authoritarian your natural instinct will be to back faith in the supernatural as it’s the easiest path to domination of the weak & ignorant. Don’t be surprised if we don’t all fall in lockstep behind you.

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