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Nigel Farage shows his concern how the English system working on the CCP virus, and there a good turns of phrase in this article. 🙂
Public Health England also resisted banning passenger flights from China and newly-emerged coronavirus epicentres including South Korea, Iran, and Italy — the United Kingdom has no travel bans in place to this day — and as late as March the Mayor of London was claiming there was “no risk” to travellers on London’s packed Underground subway system, allegedly on PHE’s advice.
“When it comes to career politicians, Hancock is a classic of the genre,” “who rises without trace to become an MP and then First Lord of the Admiralty despite having no naval qualifications” in Gilbert and Sullivan’s HMS Pinafore.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/03/farage-shocked-uk-still-has-no-travel-bans-says-health-secretary-must-go/
Though Nigel is not in opposition, he does actively call things out!
Where is our Nigel?
Either there is a real problem, and if they believe it, then the things to combat it should be all fully put in place, or not at all!
He certainly would not bow down to Adern’s adhan & fatwas.
Davd Seymour.
Sahme that you even needed to ask. Have you not been listening?
Party vote Act.
Been telling you this for thast 2 years.
Have nice day.
Hey Viking, in another time, I supported Gerry Eckhoff, and have continued on those principles.
So no shame for those placards I have put up through the years. and will do in the future.
The problem is how to slay the beast of easy life & money, until it is earnt.
How to get people to think, and support them to work to get what they need, and then to continue to work for what they want.
Alternatively to part support them, so that the ginger in the National Party can also be effective, though there is very little of that.
Though John Keys did handle things well through financial pressures & earth quakes, with a strong hand, yet he squandered and kicked things down the road.
Bill English came close, with getting the data, & targeting where money would go that pushed for people to make changes in their lives.
Nigel certainly has a turn of phrase, achieved his Brexit which has stuck through thick & thin.
I know David Seymour is badly shaded by the media, but he did chase after euthanasia law, and Act comes across as supporting immigration, albeit with some bureaucratic criteria.
Sadly the charter schools was never really taken up by National.
So it seems that he is not putting NZ first.
On that I never ever considered the great charlatan, in politics seeing him as a grasping opportunist, of no principles, despite the hypocrisy espousing being principled.
The art is to lead people to believe what you believe is the right track and to understand the underlying principles, when there are so many temptations of easy life, money etc..
David Seymour did not match Winston Peters! by even calling for a moratorium on migration, ok with exceptions like Doctors, and maybe nurses.
Politics is a dark art, but to also lead people to what is right.
I thought we were close to with regards to social welfare with Bill English, and a few more Act, would have done the trick.
Still good on David Seymour, but so far it is flash in the pan that does not cut it, and to rise up more than that Ardern finally sinks under her caterwauling adhans and fatwas.
But then Ardern and the CoL are on the game, for the ones that will become desperate, then broken, to just lie back and take the money for no stress.
Dreams & aspirations dashed, but life goes on, so just make yourself comfy, & appreciate what you have got.
The question will be how brainwashed will the young ones be?
Will they be worth making a fight for in their land of compassion & kindness, or to gain what they want, will they jack boot you.?
HDPA spells out the obvious re border control, and goes so far as to accuse CoL of putting us in harms way for political reasons:
Heather du Plessis-Allan: Covid 19 coronavirus – Time to get strict on new arrivals
Excerpt:
“So, you’re left asking the question: given the need and the pleas, why won’t the Government shut the border? Honestly, it is so baffling there must only be one, obvious answer. Politics.
Right now, the only plausible answer to this is that the Government is refusing to do it because it would give their opponents a victory. National has – quite rightly – started picking at the Government on the border this week. National’s had the platform to do it, now that the alternative parliament – the Epidemic Select Committee – is up and running and drawing bored, white-collar eye-balls.”
Well they let Bush off the hook. Ably supported by the labour gin drinkers.Useless pricks.
David Seymour was the person doing the questioning and even then bridges did his best to undermeine him.
Politics and follow the money!
Makes one seem to see the bureaucracy wants this “emergency” to continue, so that other things can be put in place.
After all the bureaucracy, academia, media, politicians, believe in this communistic solidarity compassionate being kind globalism ideology. 🙁
The UN demanding to get trillions of dollars, so that billions will flow through WHO.
A life style of untaxed income for the corrupt bureaucrats.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/united-nations-wants-10-of-worlds-annual-income-in-fund-for-coronavirus-response
One of those leading UNicornical bureaucrats bloody diarrhea hands, with great practice of making populations just disappear, altering census systems
https://summit.news/2020/04/03/who-director-was-top-member-of-violent-ethiopian-communist-party/
We must get ourselves sorted, but it will be like the above Public Health England with an incompetence that has fed through the ivy university academia of inexperience, that hang onto the coat-tails to obtain the money flow, however the money is obtained, oil states, CCP, philanthropic billionaires, etc..
And so the planes and people keep flying in, with often not more than a “pampletting”, whilst NZ testing keeps showing many connections to overseas travel.
Saggy , and also the biggest political “thing” , only one death, this COL have many tricks in hand yet.
what the end game is I can’t figure but I’m guessing we are going to find out soon enough.
Coronavirus: Butchers now allowed to process pork during lockdown
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/04/coronavirus-butchers-now-allowed-to-process-pork-during-lockdown.html
It said it would likely result in the sector having no place to house up to 5000 surplus pigs on farms every week.
However the Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced that butchers will now be able process pork – but only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open.
“At present, there is not enough capacity to hold surplus pigs on farms or pig carcasses in processing facilities, which could create an animal welfare issue.”
“We need them to operate to ensure that pigs can continue to be processed and are not backing up on farms leading to animal welfare issues.”
So ummm pork prices will be coming down then?
Otago students doing their bit with hand sanitiser
Despite supermarkets insisting they’re fully stocked during the countries first lockdown, one item that’s proved difficult for people to get their hands on is hand sanitiser.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/otago-students-doing-their-bit-hand-sanitiser-v1?auto=6147040388001
The university is now supplying it’s own lab-made sanitiser, to emergency services across Dunedin and Christchurch.
“My students and team are willing to help as much as they can,” says Dr Shyamal Das of Otago University.
The students initially started by making 20 litres of sanitiser, to supply the university.
Word quickly got out and the demand has grown rapidly. Batches are now made in 300 litre lots.
That flouts the Mobie rules that have been used to hamstring other manufacturers.
rulkes around how much you can make in a batch.
Still they will be labour stooges.
Yes I was grumbling about that last night when I saw the story. Are “volunteers” exempt from the lockdown?!
Any of us on this forum could make our own. The trick is getting a supply of denatured alcohol (meths before the poison’s added) & aloe gel. You need a solution that ends up with 70% alcohol.
That’s it.
I’ve got some monoethanolamine, hydrogen peroxide glycol and water. will that do?
You’ve got me Ed. I’m a retired cocky, not a chemist but most of the write ups I’ve seen have rubbished non alcohol based sanitisers. The idea is to kill the virus while retaining your skin.
The clue was the ethanol? I could add some potassium hydroxide to make it look and feel like soap. Chuck it out on the lawn and the grass will grow.
I have a container of hydrogen peroxide at 50% strength. For sterilisation purposes it only needs to be at 3% – 6%. I diluted some down for the neighbour who has put it into 1 litre spray containers, leaving the containers beside various farm equipment that has shared use and with instructions to staff to spray everything down before touching.
Nasska……re Aloe gel
Aloe vera plants are pretty common, esp. in coastal locations. My neighbour has a large plant at the front gateway that I’m always using for gel. (good for rooting cuttings). Aloe plicatilis is also pretty common, has the same properties as A.vera, and produces more gel and without the armature . Google a picture of these plants if you don’t know them….you’ll recognise it immediately and there will be one growing down the road.
All good Toko. If you’ve got the Aloe then all we need is the alcohol. As most commenters know I’m a dry drunk & one of the bits of (thankfully unused) bits of info I gathered from my days in rehab concerned meths.
Apparently the trick is to strain the spirits through bread rolls which is supposed to remove the methanol. 🙂
Nasska….some years ago I was wanting pure alcohol for some reason and had a contact in one of the big wine making outfits. They had whey alcohol (a waste/bi product of the dairy industry), by the tanker load. They use/used it to fortify their wines. Getting hold of that would be the whey (yeah..I know) to go and would do away with the soggy bread rolls if you were wanting to make potable hand sanitiser. The blasted excise man might be the problem, as I bet the dairy factory has to account for every litre.
Totally illegal !
Surely this is as prosecute-able as some one walking with a fishing rod in hand today!
What about the “environmental emergency” save the planet, ‘precautionary principles’, policed by safety & health regulations that reduced production from the usual 1000 litre batches to the max of 30 litres batches.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/19/1090958/hand-sanitiser-production-blocked-by-safety-rules
One law for spoilt brat lefties in academia universities and restrictions for every one else.
Also Ardern being ok with the special people of overseas travelers & cruise ship passengers traveling around, coming to NZ for the past few months.
No idea of sanitation, or contagion as evidenced by what gets past her teeth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NStwnOh9AsU
Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” – Lawrence H. White
62mins
While listening remember Winston Peters this week promoting Roosevelt’s ‘New Deal’ policy for the recovery of the NZ economy!
We must trust the experts – even if they’re not experts??
So we have stoopid Cindy in charge – who the Yanks believe is funded by the Chinese Communists taking advice on the pandemic from the WHO – a failed organisation run by a communist revolutionary, non-Dr installed by the Chinese Communist party – on how to combat the Coronavirus bio-weapon that was designed in a Chinese bio-weapons lab and released in an act of war by the Chinese Communist government?
And we’re told we have to do as the “experts” tell us. But the guy running the WHO isn’t a Dr. He’s an African Marxist revolutionary – who as Minister of Health in Ethiopia left their Health system without running water or electricity. One of his first acts at WHO was to appoint to appoint mass murderer (and fellow Chinese puppet) Robert Mugabe as WHO “goodwill” ambassador (FFS!).
This is the “expert” stoopid Cindy is listening to. He’s an expert alright – an expert at doing the bidding of the most evil nation on the planet and stoopid Cindy – she’s an expert at doing the same.
But remember! We must listen to the experts!
Our expert Dr Ashley Bloomfield – an alumni of the WHO (now I’m getting worried) he’s an expert too. He’s an expert in non-communicable diseases. Non-communicable – that’s shit you can’t catch, that’s not-infectious, not-transmissable, that doesn’t spread in communities by close contact. He’s an expert in diseases that aren’t Coronavirus!
But did learn his trade in the Chinese run WHO, he was appointed by stoopid Cindy’s Communist-funded government, just in time to do his bit in destroying the NZ economy (and in the process of doing so – helping to retrospectively prove stoopid Cindy’s first utterances as PM “capitalism has failed”).
But don’t worry – I’m sure this is just a lunatic conspiracy theory. The facts don’t speak for themselves.
Stoopid Cindy really, really cares about us all.
We must trust the experts! We just have to ignore what their true expertise is – because it sure as shit isn’t our best interests.
Is that all true?
If it is we have a problem don’t we.
Dear Viking. The only source I didn’t list was on Dr Silly Name – here is his wiki page and echoed on the Ministry of Health website too.
“The bigger the lie, the less likely people will believe you have the audacity to tell it” – the advice of Goebbels echoes down the years to the modern fascists of the Left.
Either the western world follows Trump’s leadership and institutes a massive detachment from China, economically, culturally and politically – or we are going to be fucked over by those murderous psychopaths forever.
As Napoleon said “China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world”. Well the fuckers are wide-awake now and they managed to put us all under house arrest.
To Swedes, it’s the rest of the world engaging in a reckless experiment.
And here is what transparency is about.
But crucially, he isn’t asking Swedes to trust him. Hospital data is published all the time, so Sweden’s “experiment” is being conducted in the open. Every time a patient is admitted, the data is updated on a Covid live website in striking detail. Average age: 60. Those with diabetes: 26 per cent. With cardiovascular or lung disease: 24 per cent. With at least one other underlying health condition: 77 per cent. Sweden is also updating its statistics to say if someone died from Covid, or of something else – but with Covid. This might reduce the “death” figure by two thirds.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120805778/coronavirus-to-swedes-its-the-rest-of-the-world-engaging-in-a-reckless-experiment?fbclid=IwAR34yaLdYUgGOqFmPqQ5yk6oeOAUyehPThs4mtWsmnzUAYXPigO6bzkB5Fw
Of course the whingers are the Somali’s who don’t belong there anyway.
Population control by natural means.
Works for me.
Isn’t it funny how the lunatic left are always preaching about how wonderful Swedish socialism is, how the rest of the west ought to get on board and do as the Swedes do?
And right now – when the Swedes are saying “Fuck you” to the non-expert experts?
Crickets!
We’re being lied to, all day, every day on every subject.
Yep they often get it right. There is a doggedness about them and they are considered intellectual thinkers not bound by the ideaology of religions.
They have been leaders in the steel industry long before others, the car industry and others.
Transparency has been at the fore front of imformation.
and the ladies are good lookin.
Their really big mistake. allowing the head bangers in. Just awful. They will solve that one day in their own way. Real Swedes not happy about that.
You can see where I come from a couple of generations back.
14 year old left home and never got back. Came here instead,. Jumped ship in Wellington, got himself married and had their family in desperately hard times. My Dad was born in the flu epidemic. His stoy is that they thought he wa s dead but he moved. His Dad rescued him and kept him alive, all the while working at the Featherston Camp as a cook.(which is what he did). At the cessation of hostilities their pay was stopped immediately and they were out on the street with thier family by then 3 and another on the way. Eldest contracted polio and was in hospital for 2 years and then of course the depression. My dad had bad lungs the whole of his life which was why he died at 72, yep the result of that flu. He went to work at 14 with little education, went to war and came home to build what was later a very large business.
Determined, very loyal , very principled and raised us showing us you can do anything you want, it takes hard work, don’t complain. I have seen him barley able to breath but still keep going.
His mum died at the end of the war and he provided accommodation for his dad for many years at our home until his death. A very quiet person who although he lived with us, I now realize sadly, we hardly knew.
A bit about me FWIW.
D P ,Remember the snagglpuss Clarke used to hold Sweden and Norway up as the “way to be” ,many of the old hags holidays were spent there she probably had plenty to do with the flooding of Muslim immigrants to Sweden when she was in the UN and even now we’ve still got the globalist open boarders POS regularly lecturing us about what we are doing wrong….Butt out Clarke we have had enough of you, FFS.
Naturally fully supported as it was such a strong base for feminism, and cuckolding all stale pale males.
The home to the “batikhäxa”
WARNING Some language is very expressive and crude with some cuss words.
“”Refugee “Children” & The Women Who Sexually Exploit Them”” by “Angry Foreigner”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sass4jgyEUY&t=1032s
31 minutes 09 seconds
A summation.
In some countries it has become normal, and that the age of “unaccompanied children” with cries of “what about the children?”,
This has been going on for 5 years, but so it continues, particularly in SWEDEN
The deception and lies, that are woven as power is used to not only abuse people and the “children” but end up abusing their own people.
First 4 minutes 30 secs facts and data about so called children’s ages when many were really older than 18.
5 minutes on then the effect on all of Swedish society, young school age, pensioners, and handicapped.
Then some of the perverseness starts to become apparent from
5 m 30 secs which shows as “psychosis of political correctness” and the effects of putting “white guilt over commonsense”
8 m then he shows the costs, and why some make profits from refugees, and comparisons to other forms of giving foreign aid.
10 m showing the cost of immigration to Sweden and they cut foreign aid
11 m the “”underage children”” benefit greatly in the Swedish justice system. and to accept “cultural actions” because”cultures are equal” and of course the Dr’s debate ethics of judging the age of these people.
12m 40 sec then it becomes a “lawyers goldmine” not “humanitarianism but profit”
13m 30 government feminism defends the system
14m 25 “batikhäxa” the explanation and then their power with in feminism.
17m 10-18m warning very expressive and crude
19 m protests about deporting
20m 14 – 21m 22 strong expression and h
22m 30 so many more cases
23m 12 – a notorious profitable case but the media reasoning is amazing !
28m 24 -30 Celebrating a rapist murder; that victims are men?. Is this is what Feminism has come too? A tribute, Would you do it forAnders Brevick or Ted Bundy?
28m 37 Then the reverse, if it was many underage girls, showing the double standard of feminism and media.
29m 25 #activists, is the call, not that it really is perverts
29m 34 A suggested solution to the refugee problem
This is what we are up against and they rule, in Sweden!
In local governments, non-governmental organisations, corporations, companies, directorships, government etc..
Basically their own white supremacist terrorists in power.
I like Angry Foreigner, haven’t watched any of his videos for a while though. Bookmarked for later, thanks.
That is the date of
the above batihaxi link.
Jun 14, 2017
Some how it starts right in the middle.
I even thought that it may have been taken down, as you can really hear the his frustration with corruption in the so called wonderful but so sickening corrupt Sweden.
One of the reasons I never believe a Swede,as they have been for years white washing socialism and the UN.
So who really believes the skill of their health minister but every body wants to gobble it all up.
It reminds me I should check on any recent “angry foreigner”
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
but then there is this;
And stupid, We should be scarred shitless of stupid.
Fear is a natural reaction, an adaption to try to keep you alive.
Stupidity, on the other hand, will often have the opposite effect.
Can anybody find the dashboard they are talking about?
Hope it works for the Swedes too.
So the Swede will not go to hospital to die.
One solution to the situation is stated is that corona patients should be cared for in the homes.
Physicians from primary care will also be “quickly trained” across the web in so-called care at the end of life in order to deal with the last time with the patients and thus relieve the hospitals. ….
https://samnytt.se/vardplatser-vantas-ta-slut-nasta-vecka-patienter-ska-vardas-hemma/ Then used google translate.
It is all good in Sweden as it is best use of resources, as one should not go to hospital to die.
primary care should now focus on ensuring the highest possible quality with the addition that “lowered quality may need to be accepted, can no longer strive for maintained quality”.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/BRK34E/sa-ska-stockholm-hantera-overfulla-sjukhus–om-en-vecka?fbclid=IwAR2iIMR152aaN-hc7f20rusqMNf85bBqztspnCynD5OTGFc68Wsdob4PZKs
Seems to stay in English.
Preparations to remain a step or two ahead of CCP virus.
Swedish army setting up field hospitals so as to be ready for any possibilities, as also “Advanced in home health Care” seems to be the way to go, and with palliative care guidelines.
“So the Swede will not go to hospital to die.”
I thought that was what they did in Australia.
(Say this with a strong Australian twang): “I’m goin’ to the hospital today.”
There is a very strong rumour that Ardern refuses to close our Border because it may displease the UN..
If so- She is again putting her own career ambitions ahead of our Healfh and our Economy.
Winston selecting this person as NZ Prime Minister has had horrific consequences for New Zealand.
God help us all..
Displeasing the UN is the very least of our worries. I would not be even classing displeasing the UN as a worry at all.
If it was up to me we wouldn’t even be part of the UN.
But it means EVERYTHING to Jacinda and her kind..
I believe it. Do you have a referencable source that I can use though?
A reminder that last night was the end of daylight saving. All clocks should go back one hour unless you’re Muslim.
If so they should be advanced 700 years.
Put another millennium on that, to get closer to the 1400 years of deviation. 🙂
Catastrophic global warming?
I guess we should listen to the experts on global warming too (a failed Presidential candidate, an unschooled child with mental health issues?) anyway – here’s what taking our global eye off the catastrophic warming ‘existential threat’ is doing to Australia in early Autumn.
Must ….. listen ….. to ….. the …….experts!
Must …. listen ….. to ….. the …..
Desperately trying to stay relevant?
This is the virus.
https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/
Meanwhile it’s springtime in Portugal and they are suffering a severe bout of “global warming” already:
https://electroverse.net/its-snowing-in-portugal/
Oh, perhaps not.
So, when will New Zealanders be required by law to wear a mask when outside their homes?
What could possibly go wrong?
Wearing a mask into your bank! 😷
I thought all the banks were closed? (Not that I’ve been to one for months.)
Correct Sensei, so if you find yourself inside one wearing a mask, things are definitely going wrong.
Ah, but have the political class not pronounced that everything will be different in the future. 🤔
Federal Government of Somalia, AFRICOM target al-Shabaab
“Al-Shabaab’s goals, rhetoric, and its over reliance on both coercion and violence mirror al-Qaida,” said U.S. Marine Corps Bradford J. Gering, deputy director of operations, U.S. Africa Command. “It’s our command’s responsibility to support our partners so this terrorist group can’t expand and strike the U.S. homeland as its leaders desire to do.”
https://www.africom.mil/media-room/pressrelease/32660/federal-government-of-somalia-africom-target-al-shabaab
and
https://www.africom.mil/media-room/pressrelease/32660/federal-government-of-somalia-africom-target-al-shabaab
Meanwhile – as we’re distracted by being under house arrest – peaceful migrants in Greece
Nothing says ‘peaceful women and child migrants’ like hundreds of fighting-age males armed with clubs and sticks advancing on the authorities in Greece.
The globalist agenda continues apace!
Here’s how Coronavirus will change us
We will wonder why the government that talked so much about housing development decided to add climate change into RMA decisions by local Councils and we will wonder how that could happen without adequate public consultation. We will be ready to embrace infrastructure on a scale not seen since the “Think Big” days.
And when anyone mentions Greta, we will ask, “Who?”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/120815679/heres-how-coronavirus-will-change-us-judith-collins?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR0VNTZ9-tgzVeDqs8Nu-hpfzHth6MFCjAWYub5aK4ogS4pQBOHuvidFY6M
Why I love Trump
Never misses a chance to trigger the lunatic left. Always laughing at them.
Ha Ha watch the Lunatic Left absolutely lose their shit over this….
Ministry of Social Development, overwhelmed by calls for help, apologises as it prepares for an unemployment shock triggered by coronavirus response. In one day, it dealt with 100,000 benefit applications.
Ministry of Social Development swamped, as job losses mount
Carmen Parahi and John Anthony05:00, Apr 05 2020
Dire warnings are being made by a range of employment leaders and economists from across the country, as the Government gears up to deal with an unemployment shock triggered by the coronavirus response.
On April Fool’s Day, the Ministry of Social Development was processing around 100,000 applications for employment benefits including wage subsidies.
Deputy chief executive service delivery Viv Rickard said MSD had paid wage subsidies to over 500,000 employees so far. A total of $3.7b of the Government’s business package scheme has already been spent, he said.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120822467/coronavirus-ministry-of-social-development-swamped-as-job-losses-mount
Thje Swedish response look better by the hour.
We will all get it ,just like the flu eventually.
I’m not sure about that yet. If you read some of the more recent articles from Sweden they’re pushing for stricter measures, they’ve reduced public gatherings (500 to 50) and their death toll is climbing faster than other countries, despite them having a better geographical situation than most. (Fewer people per square km than Italy, Spain, etc.)
I’m still trying to find the damn dashboard referenced in the article. Either DuckDuck is being a bitch or I’m not finding the right words to describe it. And none of the fucking articles on it actually LINK to the damn dashboard either. So annoying!
The Swedes are staying ahead by setting plans by setting up “Advanced in home health Care” with palliative care guidelines.
Perhaps the hospitals will not be so busy that way?
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/BRK34E/sa-ska-stockholm-hantera-overfulla-sjukhus–om-en-vecka?fbclid=IwAR2iIMR152aaN-hc7f20rusqMNf85bBqztspnCynD5OTGFc68Wsdob4PZKs
Trump live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmpbWUt338I
So the lunatic left have gone mad in NZ.
Between the police and the director general of Health, An unelected bunch of people they now control our lives.
Soon they will be around to wipe our arses each day.
Police modify guidelines for frontline officers
Police have made significant changes to their guidelines for frontline officers after it was revealed they had little power to enforce the lockdown unless they suspected someone has coronavirus.
On Saturday night, police released updated guidelines around Alert Level 4 rules.
They provided clarity around what was acceptable bubble behaviour.
The rules, set out in a Health Notice issued by the Director General of Health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, include:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120824045/coronavirus-police-modify-guidelines-for-frontline-officers
Reverant David Clark, the fact that you go bike riding sans seat, just the post, doesn’t interest me.
The fact that you are on gardening leave at home and not at your desk in Wellington does!
Sack the wanke Comrade. He’s even worse then Twiford.
At least Twitford will not kill Kiwis and Iain Lee’s Gallaway was only following your orders!
Jeeeez ,,, look up Newshub. ” police blasted for disgusting arrests during lockdown ” the plod sure have to put up with a lot of shit from our native populace,whats it going to be like in three more weeks ?
F- – – – – g state house no doubt and every one on a benefit FFS, makes me wonder why i spent so much of my life staying out of trouble,should have just partied and blotted up taxpayer money and bashed my family once a week ,bastards.
and now they are whining about harsh treatment ,the plod should have tasered the pricks.
The police are not protecting you or society. Their only obligation is to carry out the orders of the Supreme Leader. They are not our friends or allies.
I have been calling them Stasi for a while now.
perhaps people will catch up.
Coronavirus : NZ Police Blasted for ‘Disgusting’ Arrests During the COVID-19 Lockdown
https://youtu.be/LmS-t0ILio4
1 minute 35 seconds. • Apr 2, 2020
Can click on “Show more” and one can read more about the details.
Perhaps the local church should be opened up for them to “congregate” more safely. 🙂
The new Health Notice sets out:
• Everyone in New Zealand is to be isolated or quarantined at their current place of residence except as permitted for essential personal movement;
• Exercise is to be done in an outdoor place that can be readily accessed from home and two-metre physical distancing must be maintained;
• Recreation and exercise does not involve swimming, water-based activities (for example, surfing or boating), hunting, tramping, or other activities of a kind that expose participants to danger or may require search and rescue services;
• A child can leave the residence of one joint care-giver to visit or stay at the residence of another joint care-giver (and visit or stay at that residence) if there is a shared bubble arrangement;
• A person can leave their residence to visit or stay at another residence (and visit or stay at that residence) under a shared bubble arrangement if:
• One person lives alone in one, or both, of those residences; or
• Everyone in one of those residences is a vulnerable person.
Police Commissioner Andrew Coster welcomed the guidance and said police’s primary goal was to ensure people understood the importance of staying home.
Damn and I wanted to swim in my spa pool… or is that soaking not considered swimming? Oh well, plod can come and pull me out of the spa. Who’s fault is it though when they see me nude and go blind?
And under those bubbles, you know your mother said “you would go blind”.
So would it be the blind pulling out the blind?
in the name of saving your self for your self?
Now, now; no one really wants to see a “flash in a pan”
The food lines are up around 500 meters. More and more items are not being restocked.
Our food supply has collapsed and that simple fact can’t be hidden any longer. Meanwhile food is being dumped and plowed under.
It’s not the virus. Its Ardern doing this.
Anyone who thinks the food situation will return to normal, when the lockdown ends, is dreaming.
Entire seasons crops are gone. It’s not just a supply chain or logistics issue as we are told. The food is gone. Millions will die in the coming famine.
This has nothing to do with Covid-19. Its entirely the work of power mad politicians.
I think you are right Kea. As I look back over the past month, the most chilling warning for me was when stoopid Cindy cooed “Shop normally”. I’m still kicking myself for not immediately going out and buying as much dry goods as I could lay my hands on.
When she said that, I thought to myself “the supply chains are breaking, we’re in trouble”.
Fuck
The Health Minister is home on gardening leave.
That’ll help!
And Anika Moa saying on an advertisement that there is plenty and using such a sarcastic whiney voice like she knows everything cause she is so freaking Importent? Really? where is it cause I would like to know and so would most New Zealanders. There are people lined up like there were/are in the in countries occupied in Russia East Germany or North Korea or during the war when there was rationing. Life was changed when Whinestone mr 7% chose Cindy to lead the country. Things were never going to get back to the freedoms etc we used to have.
Watch this and see what may be in store for us as the food shortages some of us have been predicting for more than a year start to really bite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihp7JNx_rPc
Tamati went to the chemist for some Vaseline.
The chemist said “what’s this for, sore lips? ”
Tamati said ” no, chaps”
So the Police Commissioner thinks we should stay home, while the border remains open and the infection pours in. For months now we been in a battle brought right into our homes, simply because Cindy has abrogated all responsibility (and logic) and given us totally compromised quarantine. Hundreds of kms away from anywhere, our protection against diseases etc is absolute so long as we close off the transport that brings them in. The total failure of the government to protect the country has the virus at our doors and economic collapse is inevitable. If you can’t identify the infected at the border and have no effective lock down for those returning, surely logic says CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER?
I’m an ex Port Agriculture Officer from 40 years ago. If we’d had a foot and mouth threat the measures we could take were written into regulation and could be activated immediately, galvanizing all sectors of government bureaucracy to act with authority in a practiced, coordinated and trained response. The current governments slow reactions, muddled plans and woolly thinking are indicative of their incompetence and lack of care.
The Prime Minister lies to cover up everything she has ballsed up and appears to have no clue how to be proactive on any front other than her pet socialist/communist/liberal dictates such as stopping oil exploration.
We could have been virus free enjoying the freedom of our country, most of us could still be at work or school or even holidaying, with our economy ticking over at a lower, but safe pace.
Instead we have a compromised government with an extremely low talent pool who are more interested in their dogma than the safety of those that voted but didn’t elect them.
I wish everyone in isolation a happy day!
I reckon this deserves a “Post of the Week” award!
Giles Fraser’s interview on Unherd’s “Confessions” with the former Bank of England governor, Lord King,
…. Now he realises you can’t solve a problem by numbers. ….
…… Rather than look at what was undeniably true about Covid-19 – that the combination of its exponential rate of infectivity and serious or fatal effects in a minority of cases meant any health care system would quickly become overwhelmed – mindlessly mathematical modellers fed inadequate abstract information into their computers and got disastrously false results. …….
https://www.melaniephillips.com/why-experts-make-disastrous-errors/
A very interesting take with good contextual points, on this modeling systems that ranges across the Climate, and Economists.
Melanie Phillips is a gem. One of those who moved from leftie to centre right. I think she used to write for the Guardian.
Not only can she actually write extremely well (unlike me !) but she writes on interesting topics, as well as current events.
Or
to break it down to a FLA- Four Ledder Acronym
G.I.G.O.
I wish this had happened under a National government.
(Not because I imagine they’d do much different, look at Bridges’ comments about the lockdown)
But if we had a National government imposing all of this, at least we would be seeing a healthy level of contempt and criticism of the government right now from the lefty luvvies in the media, and the left wing hoarde on failbook.
Instead of this wall-to-wall, pussy-licking sycophancy that we are seeing instead.
Please, Miss! Take away MORE of my freedom! Take my job and livelihood too! I know you’ll provide for my every need! Praise Comrade Napo- I mean, Praise Comrade Jacinduh!
I hope when the violence and social breakdown occur that Ardern and Bridge’s families are among the victims and not just innocents.
Godboy will survive. He’s staunch with Jesus.
Maybe this is why they are cowering behind the police and military so much?
People are getting desperate. They have no money and State authorized stores are charging outrageous prices. Farmers not aligned to Party stores are having to plow crops into the ground.
These are simple observations of reality. It’s just taking time to sink in to the sheeple’s heads.
You can’t stop 30% (that’s the percentage sold by the smaller retailers unable to open) of the fruit and vege sales from reaching the customer and then be surprised there is a shortage.
Cindy and her experts are dumb as a box of hammers.
Hammers are useful. This bunch of lying, useless CUNTS ( can say that here – not on other more “controlled” blogs) are so out of depth, but the idiots who adore Jacinda can see no wrong..
A few points Kea:
1) Food retailers at the level Foodstuffs & Countdown play are ruthless. From their POV why sell four truckloads of cauliflower when they can make as much profit selling one. When the inept government reduced the field to two players they guaranteed shortages. They are applying socialist dogma to free market practises & the two don’t gel.
2) Growers may be ploughing in crops because they can’t access a market that needs them but they’re a hardy bunch who have been doing the same thing for a couple of hundred years. Floods, blight, drought, pestilence & now Covid-19. They’ll hang in for a while.
3) Farmers specialising in cereal crops are covered as an essential industry & should be able to carry on. Those in the largely exported fruit category are in for a rough ride.
4) Sheep & beef kills will be winding down anyway & provided that they don’t run out of freezer space most suppliers will make it. I note that pig kills will start again next week.
But the fools we have in charge will be shitting bricks at the possibility of civil unrest. 8000 police & a run down army won’t protect them if things go belly up. Expect shows of force as we’ve never seen in our lifetimes to keep we the unwashed in our place.
The first sign of unrest and the networks will all go down (to prevent the masses from coordinating).
We may once again discover the power of the street poster and printed pamphlets.
Hope that many have a good supply of print, and do not forget the ink. 🙂
Water & flour, makes a quick paste to put them up…
Some where there is a lot of flour out there in private stocks, 🙂
Nasska we need riots to expose this absurd farce of a PM for what she is.
No. Riots now will engender sympathy for her position.
All it will take is for a few of the very young or the very old to die without food, utilities or medical care & she’s finished. Even our fawning arse lickers of the MSM will be unable to paint over that.
I don’t think Cindy will be sleeping very well for the next few weeks.
Really how do you know all this? I have never read that he is a God boy Nasska is he a fully paid up member of something ? Please let me know as I am very interested in knowing about these issues.
I’ll presume your query is genuine. Yes. he’s a religious nutter though in the fashion of Peter who denied Jesus he tends to hide it from secular Kiwi voters who don’t seek or want the counsel of the Godaddled.
……”His part-Māori father was a Baptist minister; his Pakeha mother taught at primary schools. He both “likes and loves” his parents. He believes in God but quotes Tony Blair: “We don’t do God. I’ve got a Christian faith”……
https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-profiles/simon-bridges-is-on-a-mission-to-get-people-to-know-and-like-him
He leads a National Party of MPs of whom 66% vote on religious conservative lines during conscience votes (about the only time the bastards have to show their true selves to the electorate). At every turn he shows himself as a social conservative.
I’m not a social conservative, I loathe religion of all stripes & I will never vote for National again for so long as Godboy has any influence within the party.
He reeks of the smug condescension that many religious loons adopt. Before their inevitable fall from grace for sexual perversion.
Well said man of the land, Nasska
Note as well Scott Morrison is a serious god botherer Pentecostalist
“Morrison was raised in the Presbyterian Church of Australia, which partly merged into the Uniting Church when he was a child. He later became a Pentecostal, and now attends the Horizon Church, which is affiliated with the Australian Christian Churches, the Australian branch of the Assemblies of God.”
It is a pity these jokers like Bridges hide their church affiliation.
If they have no shame it would be better to be open about it.
Clearly he has some shame.
My experience of life is the more people attach to religion the more dishonest they are.
Dr of Divinity David Clark collecting a Minister of the Clown salary for lurking indolently at home.
Graham Capill; Notoriously litigious Colin (allegedly)
The whole Catholic church and its sickness towards boys while saying homosexuality is bad- just sicko; too gutless to man up and admit their ways; Sisters of Magdalene
The duplicitousness of the Moozlems.
Fair suck of the sav to the Aussies thought. They tend to be more open about their religious stance; Morrison is clear; Tony Abbott was clear on his deep catholic conservatism.
This may be the more active media in AU (well anything is more active than NZ’s deadhead media drongos ) that compels them to front foot it.
Thank you I was not aware of that
I guess now we know why they were so desperate to get hold of the AR-15s.
You don’t need AR-15s to bring the economy to a halt and topple the government.
All that is needed is for the people to go on a general strike; to stay at home and not go to work. …
… Wait a minute…!?..
Broke a mower blade so will have to stop and watch ‘Outsiders’
Probably wont be able to get a new blade.
More tales from the crypt.
World Bank pandemic bond under pressure as coronavirus spreads
One point of contention is the length of time before a payout is triggered. In the case of a coronavirus outbreak for the Class B notes, this is 84 days from when the World Health Organization (WHO) publishes its first “situation report”. In the current outbreak, that would be in mid-April.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-worldbank-pandemic/world-bank-pandemic-bond-under-pressure-as-coronavirus-spreads-idUSKBN20D2HI
2017 World Bank ‘pandemic bond’ set to cost investors hundreds of millions of dollars
https://newsvideo.su/video/12408166
One of the reasons the UNicornical system and WHO did not want to declare a pandemic.
Now they UNicornical head has stitched together a proposal, to fund and so cover their losses, by socializing their loses, so every one in the world is to contribute 10% of our income to a fund they will set up & manage.
Totalling so many trillions of $ to re-distribute to the have-nots and needy, for the battles & wars they deem necessary, which I am sure they will decide who needs the most in that process.
“In an age of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act”
Attributed to George Orwell.
Police being more busy, with less police. 🙂 hmmm
Approximately 740 sworn and non-sworn staff are off work, with about 400 of them frontline staff. …..
…… 6 percent of the organisation ……
…….. only two known confirmed cases in the police force ….
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/413493/covid-19-about-740-police-officers-and-staff-in-isolation
Other than being concerned about police staff, I do not know why the Police Association president Chris Cahill should have any thing to say to the public.
He should only be talking to the Minister of Police, about things relative to the police staff, and then to the members that are signed up with him & supposedly he clips the ticket of.
They have time on their hands. Virtually no activity happening.
That was why they were going around annoying people – except the people who had just landed from overseas.
On Friday I went to the New World in New Mogadishu (formerly Mt Roskill)
I was at the lights on Dom Rd facing north across Mt Albert Rd and there were 3 cop cars parked up in the Mobil Station with another that joined them in the 90 secs I was at the lights.
I think their bubbles were burst!
They have nothing to do.
Politicised
Trying to warm up a seat for Parliament. 🙁
Bridges calls for more businesses to safely operate during lockdown
A “constructive conversation” is needed on whether contactless businesses should be able to run safely during lockdown, National leader Simon Bridges says.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/bridges-calls-more-businesses-safely-operate-during-lockdown?auto=6147128305001
“When you think about our economy, the longer we see the devastation, the job losses, the businesses going under, it’s heart attacks, it’s mental health issues, it’s fatalities in its own way,” Mr Bridges told TVNZ1’s Q+A with Jack Tame.
“Let’s try and deal with some of the randomness where one is an essential service and one isn’t, let’s be agile and potentially we can move to a more risk-based system.”
Mr Bridges said the country needed to be “quite agile about those questions now and certainly if lockdown goes longer”.
“The Government needs to do everything it can to have the most effective lockdown so we can get out of this as soon as we can.
“We’re devastating our economy, we’re curtailing freedoms, so the sooner we can get out the better.”
He also said, “Everyone coming over our border should be quarantined”
Took a long time for Mr “Lets have conversation ” Bridges to wake up. Anyway he has stolen ACT’s idea from their newsletter a couple of weeks ago. when they talked about looking at safe operating businesses instead of just “essential” businesses.
What again.
Must have had time to sit and read the blogs or maybe hr has joined ACT FB page just to get idea’s.
At the worst he could credit David with the idea’s. \
Sadly his own lot haven’t has any.
More worrying is that he couldn’t rush out fast enough to offer to make the laws tougher on our citicens and allow the police to bully everyone around at their gudance.
Never be my PM.
Party Vote ACT.
It’s like David Seymour said; you can predict National Party policy. It is ACT Party policy, re-released a few weeks after ACT.
The problem for Simon Bridges is – those of us who truly believe in personal freedom and the type of policy he is copying has already seen that he doesn’t believe in personal freedom and those types of policies. He bloody well votes against them until it isn’t political for him to do so anymore.
That’s why so many votes go 119 to 1; because ONE politician actually believes in those policies. And there’s a 119 pretenders.
……” he doesn’t believe in personal freedom”……
The quintessential social conservative.
Stealing Act’s policies and not acknowledging a Seymour and Act, Nat’s loyal political partner is despicable. I think you might be right on the button nasska, the sort of underhand behaviour I’d expect from an entitled god follower. 🤨
Party vote Act ☑️
I reckon he’s doing OK. It’s hard for a leader of the opposition to get any cut-through, but the select committee he’s heading is giving him a platform. He’s also got some wise heads coming out of the woodwork with both Key and Joyce being heard in the last week.
Delusional halfwits think property prices might drop “as much as” 10%. While being overvalued 50% + percent.
No doubt fools will demand the govt DO SOMETHING to bail out their lousy investment and maintain the housing ponzi scheme… at other peoples expense. Selfish cunts worthy of nothing but contempt.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/120705259/here-are-the-factors-that-could-influence-the-value-of-your-home-from-here
In times like these, the value of a property is a matter of opinion.
But debt is real.
Debt is real and the housing market is fueled by it. Absurd levels of debt are taken on just to put a roof over folks heads. It’s no way to live.
When the market slumps the next house you buy will have slumped a similar amount as a %. But you don’t borrow percentages you borrow money. So the actual debt will be less.
We need to put our wealth into production, not houses. We are eventually doomed if we don’t, so we might as well get it over with now.
Production that is competed with by government? and crony social capitalism.
Production that will require a gender equal & etc.. directors board?
Will you put your money in, like how the Scania ex chief executive, in Sweden, all in favour of migration, but then ended up saying from experience, it will take a number of generations to upskill their abilities to cope with the new technologies.
Production that has many environmental laws, that stifled hand sanitizer, reducing from 1000 lite batches to 30 litre batches on precautionary principles, and what if.?
Right now they probably are very profitable haha because of the demand. then will be accused of price gouging while a lefty university sets up in competition.
Seems like a lot of money is being sunk into trucks carrying that productive fertilizer from a pipe to land fill in Wellington.
Some one is making the money 🙂 and nor does that trucking company have to pay the land fill costs. 🙂
Much better discussion on macrobusiness as far as effect on property prices.
Airbnb going to be a different game now and thus a flow on effect.
NZ corporate estate agents trying to talk things up.Land agents essentilal of course. Not
A Capital gains tax would have been a waste of time then!
I pick 15% drop with 5% for every 6 weeks lockdown.
The Big money will never let that happen.
Must be a bummer still having to rent, bird. Deep down you’re angry about it. I can tell.
” If only I had got on the ladder as well, whaaahhhh! “.. throws bird feeder against the wall.
Australia urges New Zealanders without support to return home
Australia’s government is advising New Zealanders living there without means of support to go home.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/australia-urges-new-zealanders-without-support-return-home
“New Zealanders should consider returning to New Zealand if they are unable to support themselves through these provisions, work or family support,” Tudge said.
A New Zealander in Australia on a resident visa said the latest advisory was likely to affect casual workers the most.
Ali Slotemaker, who co-owned a coffee roasting and hospitality business in north Queensland, said a large portion of the hospitality workforce would not be entitled to welfare grants because many were casual.
“Which is not the same as New Zealand, having owned a business in both. Especially in hospitality and tourism it will leave people who’ve been casual workers and who haven’t been with the same employer for 12 months … yes, that’s going to be a problem.”
She said many were entrenched in the Australian life, with close-knit support networks, but there was little choice if they had no financial support.
Sure. How about a refund on all that tax they’ve paid then Scott? Seeings as how they aren’t benefitting one jot from all the contributions they’ve made to Straya.
Look out Scomo. You’re about to get another ear-bashing from our PTPM. She’s looking real pissy about this.
To be fair to Cindy looking pissy, it’s a growing list including Millenials not listening to their “youth adjacent” leader! 😂😂😂
Is ‘skullface’ look youth adjacent?
Perhaps in their horror movies.
Since Ardern copies a lot of what Australia has done perhaps she could say ‘no benefits or bailouts’ for Australians living here.
Can we send Tarrant home? . He is costing us a fortune…. on many fronts.
Ardern is piss and wind so there will be no real action …just SLG tanty’s
Fly Tarrant across the ditch and let him go. He is their problem, not the NZ taxpayers any longer.
Remind me why Aussie should support non citizen immigrants?
From the Middle East and NZ…
If you are a net contributor to the tax regime you should be entitled to the benefits those taxes support. Otherwise don’t force foreigners to pay the same amount of tax. Straya wants to have its barramundi cake and eat it.
This is an interesting little informal exercise. The blog looked at contradictory evidence between what the MSM were saying about over run hospital facilities in the US vs what people were seeing on the ground, so they have asked readers to report in what they are seeing around the US in their communities.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/04/ground-reports-healthcare-focus-whats-going-on-in-your-city-town-neighborhood/
Putin & Trump Versus The New World Order: The Final Battle
The unknown that lays ahead for all of us is both exhilarating and scary. Exhilarating in the long term, but rather scary in the short term. All empires eventually die and we’re in the terminal phase of the New World Order that will not recover from the Russian roulette game it has been playing, for Vladimir Putin handed it a loaded gun and it pulled the trigger.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-trump-versus-new-world-order-final-battle
Bn, something is really not quite right with that article.
I’m sure it wasn’t on the 6 o’clock news!! If there was any truth in it I’m completely and utterly sure it would have been aye…..
😂
I noticed that too. 😕
So I went to the source of the article.
Oriental review.org and read some of Leonid Savins articles.
Like this one.
The Coronavirus And Hybrid Warfare
Some interesting comments left at the bottom of the article.
https://orientalreview.org/2020/03/19/the-coronavirus-and-hybrid-warfare/
Yes, all very interesting, in little pieces of a puzzle.
Note the military games in wuhan again. Something else I posted about the other night.
Interesting.
Moderation at Kiwiblog is entering a new era. No more [mod – deleted} they just ghost the whole comment. A fine time to do this when people are very angry at the government.
Being angry with the government is ‘wrongthink’ rightoverlabour!
DPF has embraced the glorious socialism- Maybe you should too?
In all seriousness- DPF massive lurch left following the Christchurch shootings staggered me.
He seemed to somehow feel guilty about a Lone Wolf Aussie murdering people…(Which was exactly what this Socialist Government wanted- in order to exert more control)
I don’t think he lurched to the left.
Fruity Farrar threw off his Burka and showed his true colours after 15 Mar 2019.
He was lurking in disguise all along.
Fomenting mischief while he collected followers!
When you were mystified why people were calling him Jimmy they were really saying dhimmi !!
He is part of a cabal that has been moving Notional more and more left for the last 10+ years.
He is a lefty through and through. A couple of classic liberal steaks but the main colour is lefty.
He is a straight out 100% fit for USA Democrat- 2020 version.
Well some may think that BUT, it is not in tune with his work with theT axpayers Union. Quite the opposite in fact. and they have had some good wins lately.
Perhaps Mrs Farrar writes the blogs these days.
They can always come over to YSB if they are over the moderation. Seems many on KB are happy to bitch and moan but stay for more censoring of their comments. No sympathy left if they keep putting up with it after more than a year. 😵
YSB must be about to be 1 year old. 🍰
Agreed WG
You don’t go to TV3 to moan about TV1
Don’t come to YSB to moan about KB.
If you are at KB you have accepted its ways.
The (lefty) host is god.
Don’t like KB, don’t impale yourself.
Read ‘The Thornbirds’ instead.
I don’t mind them coming to YSB to complain but then they go back to KB for more of the same. Masochistic behaviour or creatures of habit. 😕
The number of case of Wuhan flu in NZ has increased, and seems to be starting to trend upwards more sharply. Of greater concern in the increase in the number of people in hospital, from 10 yesterday to 15 today. Moreover, the number in ICU has jumped from 1 to 3.
The next 7 days will be telling. If we are looking at 1,500+ cases and/or several deaths by April 15, I expect the government will have a harder time making a decision about the lockdown level.
The default position for them is to do nothing, but the damage to the economy is not sustainable. Something will have to give.
Just speaking with someone who works at an actual hospital with active cases.
They are at about 45% capacity due to elective surgery and other treatments being denied.
The main worry is seasonal flu cases starting, with the potential of having to deal with this new strain.
The hospitals are not overwhelmed. There are about 10 fucking cases in the whole country. Most of them are not critical.
Simon should sack DFP and forget about internal polling. He should stop being Mr Nice Guy and try to appear to the public that he is working collaboratively with the government.
He needs summon Cindy and Clark to the committee and give them a real going over. He could request Clark’s diary to show how many hours he has worked. He could ask Clark if he thinks he owes the public an apology?
Then he needs to say that if the government followed his and Hosking’s advice on quarantining those coming into the county we would be a lot better off. He then say he is williing to put that behind provided they now do as the independent experts advice. We had one on TV this morning.
Bridges should learned from the knee-jerk firearm legislation you can not work collaboratively with a communist led government.
If he carries on as he is we will lose. She gets up and repetitively lies we went early and we went hard now five times a week on TV.
” stop being Mr Nice Guy and try to appear to the public that he is working collaboratively with the government.”
Chuck I hope you meant to type ” ….. that his NOT working collaboratively …..”
No Ross, Simon is trying to appear that he is working collaboratively and offering advice.
He needs to tell them they are wrong when they are wrong allow Clark to stay as a minister while in Dunedin.
Chuck, I have said it before.
You are politically naive.
You say
‘Then he needs to say that if the government followed his and Hosking’s advice’
Sorry, Chuck, under the system we have the ‘elected Govt makes the decisions’ not the opposition person nor a radio DJ
Like it or not the political reality is Labour/NZ First call the shots (and you voted for one of those! )
Gweens are in a support agreement and are not Govt … as your mate Winston will tell you .
I do not know why you put any faith in Bridges.
He is not strong politically and has no ‘presence’; no cut through.
He will never be PM of NZ
Simple fact without emotion. I’m willing to do a $200 bet on that. (or $500, no problem but I want to be a gentleman and not take easy money)
you say
‘If he carries on as he is we will lose’
Who is ‘we’ ?
Bridges does not represent me.
The whole country economy is being crashed and well, like oil and gas, Ardern gave us a clue when she and the DPM (your mate Winston) said capitalism is dead.
This has come to pass.
You need to also understand that Bridges is now inside the tent and is ‘part of the problem’
Whatever happens now, he is tied to the boat and if it sinks he is going down.
Note how last term David Seymour remained as a Parliamentary Undersecretary in order to criticise the Govt and speak independently. He had the guts and the courage of his convictions.
He understood ‘cabinet collective responsibility’ and that he was bound to Cabinet decisions if he was inside the tent.
As Undersecretary Seymour could speak independently.
Bridges is now part of the ‘we’ that is running the country..into the ground.
Bridges could have said NO.
Then formed an alternative viewpoint.
He does not have the guts to do that.
Trump gets cut-through despite a hostile and evil press.
Perhaps Bridges needs to try that (too late) and jettison fool Farrar with his severe TDS.
you say
‘Bridges should learned from the knee-jerk firearm legislation’
Well he did not learn so there you go. Is Bridges’ middle name ‘toast’ ?
Your mention of Farrar is not relevant. Farrar has no mojo. He is a political lightweight and positioned politically as a US Demoncrat. Perhaps he just follows the colour Blue.
For that reason Notional should dissociate; not because of his possible maths ability (or inability)
Polls do not win elections; policy and presentation does.
I do agree Farrar’s polls kept John Key as a pussy cat and not a tiger.
Anyhow, real leaders treat advisors as advisors. Ask Margaret Thatcher.
You political naivety is underscored by the fact you voted for Winston First in 2017 for erroneous and fanciful reasons.
Yet within a year you gravitated to Notional who show their sheer desperation by allowing you into policy making when you had voted for the very person who kept them out of power! Fork me.
This shows that Notional are not any inspiration or aspiration for me, and there is no-one in the top 5 ranking that I see as a future Prime Minister.
To reiterate.
Now Bridges is inside the tent/on the ship he cannot criticise any of the disastrous outcomes that will arise from the current course.
He is an officer on the Bridge so unless he screams fire and pulls the fire alarm he is part of the problem.
Did a Countdown shop this morning. Not much sign of specials they said would come back. Special tickets on meat though. As I am regular shopper Special only brought price back to what was full price 3 weeks ago. Did find some short date half price meat to take and salads same.
Police in NSW are investigating the Ruby Princess cruise ship regarding the dumping of all passengers in Sydney after a cruise around NZ, calling into half a dozen of our ports, to spread corona virus from one end of the country to the other!
What say you Reverend David Clark, Minister of Health!
Still on gardening leave and not doing your job in Wellington desk!
Resign you useless twit!
Sooty, there was a whole disembarkation of feverish ill passengers before that boat sailed to NZ.
A cruise ship that docked in Sydney with four confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Thursday had previously been sailing with 158 sick passengers on board — including 13 with high temperatures — who disembarked at Circular Quay before [before ! ! !] the vessel left for New Zealand with nearly 4,000 on board.
The Ruby Princess returned to Sydney 11 days later — on Thursday, March 19 — with four confirmed cases of coronavirus;
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusDownunder/comments/fmc03l/coronavirus_ruby_princess_cruise_ship_allowed_to/
This repeats about the “previous” trip, and shows the itinerary around NZ on that fateful cruise.
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-sunday-telegraph-sydney/20200405/281487868460222
So was this that ship that one could see, if Ardern turned and looked out the window? ? when NZ had the strictest controls against cruise ships.
She could have opened the window and smelt the
uraniumCCP virus, on their breath as they did those mini tours around.Did she really care, as she was making ready for hugs & hijabs and adhans,
Now she is trying to cover things with fatwas as the media line up and prostrate themselves, feelz another sense of revolutionary power.
620 corona virus cases so far out of 2700 passengers.
Or 25% have it, how many will die?
What say you Reverend David Clark Minister of Health for NZ.
Why are you not at your desk in Wellington?
Clark will do less harm where he is.
Don’t Panic
It is better for the country to be where he is right now.
I agree entirely, but why should the Reverend david clark be getting his 300 thou for sitting on his arse at Dunedin on gardening leave!
If he is that useless that the Comrade is keeping him in whitless protection, why not just sack him and give it to someone else!
I’m sure that they would like the money and comfy leather seats in the limo!
Did YSB suddenly cancel the end of daylight savings? 3.42pm
yep I was waiting for someone to notice😁💋💋
Haha.
Wow Ed, you even pre-empted my question and answered it before I’d even asked!!!
😀
We are really really clever buggers on YSB.
That’s why we have no moderation.
All the dumb arses are on other blogs.
There are other blogs ?
Apologies if you have already heard this, the Coronavirus Rhapsody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc
Oh goodness, what will the Greens say!
Wellington City Council considering dumping wastewater into Cook Strait
Discharging treated wastewater into the Cook Strait is among options Wellington City Council is considering as it deals with loss of income due to coronavirus restrictions.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/wellington-city-council-considering-dumping-wastewater-into-cook-strait
“I know this is a disaster for mana whenua so need to get the right people in the room.
“We all realise we are in a difficult place and as Wellingtonians we want to get through this,” Mr Rush said.
The proposal would see an outfall at Moa Point reinstated to deposit treated wastewater two kilometres into Cook Strait.
“We know it would be an option… a lot of people would be violently opposed to it,” a Wellington City Council spokesperson said.
Mr Rush said he is aware of the environmental risk but is seeking further advice on this as he understands an initial report for the outfall said the waste being treated meant there was no hazard.
Since pipelines broke earlier this year, more than a million litres of waste has been transported by trucks every day from Moa Point treatment plant to the city’s landfill.
Mr Rush said that’s costing around $650,000 a week.
The same people who poo down those pipes, have no qualms at making any other business that transgress any of their laws and regulations go to tremendous cost to mitigate, or change, so that business confidence was already well reduced.
There never is much worry about loss of income for others.
It is very simple, just double, nay quadruple or much more, the rates of people who do business that goes through those pipes!
If they can not pay, tell them to hold their business, as after all they do not deserve to be in business.
If rates are not paid, interest, penalties, fees & costs and finally the out standing amount with compounding interest be placed as caveats over their titles.
So that on a sale, the proceeds first must go to cover those charges in full.
Then just do not worry about the confidence people have in Wellington. 🙂
There will always be something else for them do, like Terrace the hills, and fertilize the soils to grow their own greens with their very own compost.
Just like relying on solar power, or wind power, so long as the costs are spread over everyone else and some subsidy, grant, etc.. from the tax payer to build the system, no matter that it is a bottomless pit to reach Carbon Zero. 🙁
Of course they could do what is expected of them until the coronavirus scare is over. That is cut back everything that doesn’t relate to the core council responsibilities of water, sewage, parks & roads.
Bugger the chambers, the art galleries, cycle lanes, the libraries (the drunks can sleep somewhere else), sister cities & everything else that is “nice to have”. The ratepayers will consider the screams of the lefties & Luvvies as music suffice.
Cut the wage bill, that’ll be the largest cost. (I can hear the shouts of FO of the WCC from the Waikato!)
A cow cocky would get a $250,000 dollar fine for allowing a bit of run off into a river.
Jacinda Ardern calls out ‘idiots’ breaking coronavirus lockdown rules
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern didn’t mince her words when discussing those breaking lockdown rules at this afternoon’s press conference, addressing them as “idiots”.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-addresses-idiots-breaking-lockdown-rules?auto=6147167245001
“While compliance has been generally strong, there are still some who I would charitably describe as idiots,” Ms Ardern said.
The Prime Minister gave a specific example of one idiot so far – the 38-year-old Christchurch man who was arrested last night after he filmed himself deliberately coughing and sneezing on people at a Christchurch supermarket during the lockdown.
After wrapping up her speech, Ms Ardern was asked by media if she would charitably describe David Clark as an idiot after the Health Minister admitted he had flouted the lockdown rules himself earlier this week, driving 2km to a Dunedin park to go mountain biking.
“I’ve said both publicly and privately to him that I’m obviously disappointed that we’ve even had to discuss his activities some days ago.”
What’s the next step after disappointed?
Hang on- Jacinda was all smiles and jokes with her best mate ‘Hilzbaz’ (Or whatever that ridiculous fame-hunting woman calls herself) when discussing David Clark breaking the lockdown the other night…
So I naturally figured we were all okay with breaching the rules??
Couldn’t bring myself to watch. Two “ridiculous fame-hunting” women was too much for me to stomach. 😖
Lawnmower, nasska! Lawnmower!
‘Miffed’, I think.
No problems. The ” idiots” (except for the one in the supermarket) as she calls them can just say sorry like Minister Clark and all will be fine. If not we all know the old saying a about when you are pointing a finger at some one.
That’s interesting. That’s two instances in as many sound bites that I’ve read or heard of in the past couple of days where SLG uses ‘charity’, or as in this case, ‘charitable’.
The first was in a conversation about that real idiot Clark. She gave the interviewer the ‘charity of her silence’, a phrase coined first by some Irish guy who was about to be executed, Michael Collins, way back in history. Interesting enough in itself.
And now this, being charitable in her condemnation.
What is this?
It’s subliminal messaging is what it is.
Her handlers are obviously well schooled.
She is trying to, and will no doubt succeed in, implant the thought into the moronic sheeple’s heads that she is charitable, and that she gives charity, and that charity comes from her.
That’s the message I can see, when I read between the lines Cindy.
Claridy. She meant to say Claridy.
Does she do her ‘Jesus pose’ when she talks of charity? 🧕
Her narcissistic rage knows no limits. She’s threatened us with police, soldiers, and now name calling.
Thank goodness for the general election in September…
…(What was that?)… Something about the election being cancelled “for our own good”…
I guess this country forgot whatever it was “Lest we Forget” was all about. No worry, the State is your friend. It will be all right…
//
It takes a 75% vote to do that so watch out for the Nats to roll over on some feeble excuse.
Let’s play a thought game.
How can we categorize the NZ adult population with respect to the Wuhan flu crisis? At the basic level: two categories.
Financially vulnerable and financially invulnerable. (I am ignoring the vulnerability to the virus itself to instead focus on the financial aspect.)
Financially vulnerable
– Individuals and families who have lost one or two breadwinners
– People with mortgages who may default
– People unable to afford their current rent
– Individuals and families who now find their outgoings exceeding their income
– Individuals and families who for now are fine, but who have no financial reserves to see them through a job loss
– Individuals employed in non-essential (discretionary-spend) sectors
Financially “invulnerable”
– PSA members
– Retirees with freehold rental properties and considerable savings
– People working in essential services (logisitics, systems servicing, medical, etc.)
What is going to happen when people find their backs to the wall? The government can offer temporary free money, but this is not sustainable. Something has to change. But what?
How to help those in need without creating a moral hazard…?
Financially “Invulnerable”
-Gangs: Drug deals reduced but demand will allow price gouging, but will find a way.
Their benefits will still flow.
Some stand over tactics will still keep milking the system and others.
– People living in state houses, does not matter if rent is not paid, or just automatically deducted. Assured of top up for accommodation.
– Renters already assured of tenancy, will be assured of rent freezes, and some already get top ups, just a bit more top up for accommodation.
May even receive compensation, no rent for work not done to property by due date.
-Beneficiaries will just continue, as you were.
Financially “Vulnerable”
-Some land lords with rent freeze,
Tenants vacating.
Seeing possible rate rises.
Rising insurance costs,
Expensive repairs & maintenance when it is possible.
No delay over whatever to have to standard for July this year. Now will be very costly if that goes ahead, or penalized by Tenancy Tribunal.
No worry, the CoL have great experience of making the hole bigger, and spraying money around, like for underground train stations etc.. and shifting ports.
Then play the game of divide & rule, identity politics of pointing a magic finger, to any one who pokes their head above the parapet.
The rest are to weaponized like the have-nots, homeless, diversity,
Then simultaneously the kindness compassion, wellness, with solemnity to bring solidarity for all, and some money for who is the squeaky wheel, then dox them as they do not know how good they have had it.
There is colonizer guilt.
Toxic pale stale male had your time.
The young ones need to be a part of things, with their tick box education so they can don their jack-boots.
Will you swallow all those dead rats?
Will you just chug along to get along?
……”How to help those in need without creating a moral hazard…?”……
In the time honoured tradition of the true socialist.
Prune the rich.
Turn the vulnerable into public servants…
I’m sure we could do with another 414,000 bureaucrats on $81,000+
https://ssc.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/the-composition-of-the-wider-public-sector/
I mentioned the other night that I’m in lock down with the mother in law, who is in early stages of dementia. This afternoon I took her for a drive down to the transfer station to get rid of the weekly recycling. On the way we passed the local Iwi’s ‘check point’.
They had the south bound lane lined out with road cones, with three persons manning their positions in face masks and swannys. One was standing in the centre of the road holding a stop/go lollypop sign. As we drove past, we gave them a friendly wave and we got a friendly wave back…that’s what we do in these parts…
We were at the dump for a few minutes and on our return home we were now in the south bound lane and shortly amid the road cones, and the lollypop stop sign in front of us,
I told the mother in law to smile and wave and we carried on through. She says, “why are those people yelling at us to stop?”.
I says, “did you see a Constable in uniform or anyone wearing Civil Defence insignia?
She says, “no”.
I says, “neither did I”…..she had another chuckle…
(I was a wee bit disappointed that they didn’t have a pursuit vehicle on the ready…amateurs)
Sorry bro. They took your details & you’re currently under waka whakatopa surveillance. 🙂
I heard through the bush telegraph that reuseable supermarket bags are now deemed dirty filthy and a 4 square somewhere in Nil Ziland is telling people to leave their bags outside whilst they do their shopping then pack their groceries after they have exited the shop! Please, please tell me its a joke.
Ed put this up today.
The grand circle to plastic single use grocery plastic bags.
https://ysb.co.nz/ah-the-woke-wake-up-at-last/
Not even allowed to take those recyclable shopping bags inside.
“Customers are temporarily being asked not to pack their groceries into their reusable bags at check out,” they said. ….
“Instead we ask shoppers to load their groceries back into the trolley and pack it into their bags at the car. ….
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/04/north-island-new-world-customers-to-pack-groceries-in-car-park.html
Each customer should ask for the single use plastic bag no charge!
Mt Maunganui New World no less.
Hey Mike,
It seems you did not keep a firm grasp on the coat tails of your King?
What happened? Could have had a few to spare in his harem.
German tabloid Bild claims the 67-year-old booked out all of the Grand Hotel Sonnenbichl in Bavaria after getting the green light from local officials.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11284702/king-thailand-self-isolates-harem-germany/
Be careful what you say by 🙂 “breaking the country’s lèse-majesté laws by slamming him online”.
Gracious…
I’ve got a readership..
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/04/general_debate_05_april_2020.html#comment-2678190
It’s one of those issues that we New Zealanders feel very deeply about Maggy. 🙂
It has taken Hubby nearly 60years to venture out to do some shopping..
And now he’s had his great effort in remembering to bring a bag thrown back into his face !
He was so flummoxed he forgot to buy his coffee (the main point of his little trip).
We will have to venture down from the hill tomorrow to search for some coffee beans.
I knew reuseable bags were going to be a health hazard when a supermarket tray of chicken oozed raw chicken ‘juice’ in the bottom of the bag they had packed for me. I had the sense to wash the bag before reusing, many wouldn’t. I also wouldn’t be surprised if supermarkets had cockroaches being carried into them by some customers bags (not mine!)
Always a good read. Naaska will enjoy this. We are in good company I suspect.
https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/03/27/god-at-it-again/#more-1188
They’ve got no sense of the thrill putting your life on the line can give V2.
Personally I blame the Pope. The day the big blouse went & fitted 3″ bullet proof glass to the Popemobile was the day that the tenets of religious faith died a horrible death. 🙂
Anyone notice that no one is dying from anything else anymore. Just the corona virus.
The newspapers seem to be totally fixated on the virus (the Japanese channels are devoting a lot of their news time to it as well, but they are not as obsessed as the NZ media).
Prime Minister Abe really, really, really doesn’t want to go for the “hard lockdown” option, especially as the shops, department stores and the public in general seem pretty responsible. The next week will be critical for Tokyo, as the number of newly confirmed cases are starting to take off. Infections are mostly around Tokyo, Osaka and Hokkaido. A couple of prefectures don’t have any cases.
I would be interested to hear about road accidents in New Zealand and whether the road toll has dropped to zero since the start of the lockdown. Instead, the Herald is totally focussed on the bug.
TV1’s programme “Sunday” pictures of CCP President Xi and Donald Trump. Stated “there are two people responsible for the CV-19 virus”.
President Donald Trump was not responsible. Turned it off.
Yep,
I flicked channels at that point.
Yep just another Liberal with TDS. It was probably filmed when Trump was being diplomatic as he still needs medical supplies from China. He has since stated that China are going to pay a terrible price for their deception.
You should have kept watching. The bit on Keas was excellent. A truly amazing bird.
No one has done anything to die from over the past fucking week! 🙂
Yep and there are no domestic violence problems and the poor all have shoes.
The rough sleepers must have died off as well.
No one complaining about not having a state house.
Poverty has been squashed.
All is well
God is nigh.
And Jacinda is high. 😆
I hear that the suicide rate among domestic cats has skyrocketed since the start of the lockdown…
My neighbours cat is going to be Arkensided in 4 weeks I estimate.
Know of any nice cat recipes or how do I make it taste like KFC?
Its not Wistons job to get you home.
Neither is it ours,
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2020/04/it-is-not-mfats-job-to-get-you-home.html
I’ve got the sneezles and sniffles.
Which bugga has been spreading their bugs around here?
My money’s on the duck. 🙂
Duckduck did just fly in recently!!
What’s Mallard doing out of his bubble. That’s along ride?
Duckduck is giving the 2 mallards a right bollocking each feed time…but they just retreat a bit until I call her off and tell her to come upstairs and crap on her own territory.
I’ve been eating manuka honey straight off the spoon to coat my throat. I’m not sick but figure it can’t hurt and it tastes like toffee. 😊
Label it “NZ Pork” and people will do their bit. 😍😍😍
New Zealand meat industry calls on Kiwis to eat more pork
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/04/new-zealand-meat-industry-calls-on-kiwis-to-eat-more-pork.html
The New Zealand meat industry is calling on the public to eat more pork in order to save pigs.
It’s quite the piggy paradox, but after independent butchers had to close their doors there’s a surplus of 5000 pigs every week.
Label it Kiwi Pork, non halal!
A given I think !!
Coronavirus: NSW Police launch Ruby Princess criminal investigation | 7NEWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmODqabkoiE&feature=youtu.be
2700 passengers let off in NZ ports for their jollies to infect how many Kiwis?
I had posted earlier way up above but slots in here.
Particularly when I see in the utubes comments considering the politics that also relate to the Premier of NSW as well, so it well may be as I comment at the end.
Hopefully it rips right back to prior setting sail to NZ. and then Ardern may also have some explaining.
A cruise ship that docked in Sydney with four confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Thursday had previously been sailing with 158 sick passengers on board — including 13 with high temperatures — who disembarked at Circular Quay before [before ! ! !] the vessel left for New Zealand with nearly 4,000 on board.
The Ruby Princess returned to Sydney 11 days later — on Thursday, March 19 — with four confirmed cases of coronavirus;
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusDownunder/comments/fmc03l/coronavirus_ruby_princess_cruise_ship_allowed_to/
This repeats about the “previous” trip, and shows the itinerary around NZ on that fateful cruise.
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-sunday-telegraph-sydney/20200405/281487868460222
So this investigation may show criminal neglience, and there also may be coronal inquiries, here in NZ.
So was this that ship that one could see, if Ardern turned and looked out the window? ? when NZ had the strictest controls against cruise ships.
She could have opened the window and smelt the
uraniumCCP virus, on their breath as they did those mini tours around in NZ.Did she really care, as she was making ready for hugs & hijabs and adhans,
Now she is trying to cover things with fatwas as the media line up and prostrate themselves, as she feelz another sense of revolutionary power.
I wonder when we’ll get underway with investigating the ships captain for bullshitting our authorities to get “free pratique” for his disease ridden ship?
And who pressured him to do the bull shit?
Always judge a book by its covid.
Can someone please tell ne exactly what is happening about NZ helping ‘Kiwis’ in Oz? Last week the SLG apparently said that the Australian govt. had agreed to pay the NZ ‘Virus’ benefit to Kiwis’ resident in Oz who were not eligable for the Australian one. Thus was very welcome news to the numerous NZ-ers who live in the country, but who, through no fault if their own, were left out of the Australian payment scheme..
However it now seems that this was in fact just another one of the SLG’s numerous and constant lies, and that apparently her announcement was ‘aspirational’ only and not meant to be taken as ‘gospel’.
Confusion now reigns amongst the Ozkiwi fraternity, and no-one seems to know exactly what the correct situation is.
Are they to be paid by NZ or not?
Does anyone actually know, and if so, where can I find the relevant ‘printed’ statement/s about this on line?
As I have family working in Oz, I am understandably somewhat concerned.
Thank you.
Assuming the ozkiwis arrived after 2001, and are on 444 visas, then they will only get the $1500/fortnight jobkeeper payout if they’ve been laid off since March1st at a workplace where they had been for over 12 months (as a fulltime, part-time or a casual)/
If they hadn’t been employed by the same employer for 12 months or more and have been laid off, then there’s nothing.
(They may be able to access their superannuation).
MY daughter has been in employment for 5years in Oz, but not with the same employer… she changed jobs In Dec 2019… so did not qualify for the assistance when that workplace (Restaurant) was ordered to close and she was let go.
The OZ Govt has told out-of-work Kiwis who don’t qualify for the Job-Keeper pay-out to Go Home
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6711981/ardern-takes-aim-at-aust-visa-changes/?cs=14232
Maggie
Thank you. The family member has been there since 2010, and with the same employer for three years so would appear to meet the criteria,, assuming that the employer even remains in business. He has nothing to come home to in NZ
Difficult times and concerning for those with kids or rellies across the ditch.
Hope your daughter sorts things out.
Again, thank you.
Not sure Komata but this is all I could find on skynews. Looks like more of Cindy’s make believe self-promotion.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6145304524001
Here’s TVNZ
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-arden-fires-back-australias-temporary-visa-stance?auto=6147192770001
A very good news outlet to get world news.
https://rairfoundation.com/
World
99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says