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    • That’s the Ian Harrison one. Also read the critque by Henley in Newsroom. Absolute shite from one of the people that landed us in this mess. At least Harrison shares details.

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      • I notice the rebuttal labels critics as “Contrarian”, in the same way they use “Denier” in the climate case.
        I would also warn that “beware the person with an agenda who is armed with the exponential function”.

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        • Yes, none of this is based on facts and reason. It’s political playing with people’s emotions to advance Ardern’s agenda.

          * Boost to beneficiaries as a policy object
          * Non-democratic changes to electoral law favouring Labour
          * Increase in police powers
          * Increase in monitoring of New Zealanders
          * Damage to capitalism / economy

          You can see the media is already laying the ground work for what we should be expecting. Their timing is impeccable as well. For simple issues, it is 1 – 3 days. For more complex issues, expect saturation over a number of weeks.

          The next big step in advancing the Ardern Agenda is Universal Benefit / Income. I’m expecting a policy announcement on this within a month of us moving to Level 2.

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          • I briefly suspected that was going to be the answer to the patsy question to the Minister of Finance from Marama Davidson today. Came close but shied away.

            I am very clear, a UBI is not a useful answer. I expect people to be self responsible and get cracking to find and retain employment that generates income. Grow some Veges, pick apples, do something in the meantime but do not expect to find salvation sitting on your backside with your hand out.

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    • Thanks Hog,
      A report that shows how the government built up this problem.

      but failed to use a key feature of the model that allows for
      contact tracing, testing and isolation. This implied that the Ministry was abandoning
      its trace, test and isolate strategy. This has the effect of blowing out the numbers,

      They are dammed, too slow to quarantine travel arrivals. and like the measle epidemic again too slow, put other good systems in place, like tracing, testing, isolation, with monitoring, then there is acquiring PPE, hand-sanitizer, hand washing advice, then there is “social distancing” and ‘non-crowding’ etc…

      It was all run designed to make FEELZ, to create fear, plus a guilt about a susceptible population.

      Giving sovereignty to the UN & WHO while blindly white washing the Tedros “stigma” of cholera & famine that fills body bags in Ethiopia.

      Ardern’s goal is to deliver to the Global Communitst UN, a country that will be dependent on UN aid and direction via the World Bank, and IMF.

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  1. Suppose they re-opened the business, but nobody bought anything because they were too worried about keeping their job?

    Confidence and business need each other.

    I don’t think socialists understand this.

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  2. Morning all, and thanks to the night owls for their positive comments last night.

    Off to the spinach mine. But I’ll be watching you lot……..

    😎

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  3. Maybe why no lock-down in Sweden, as so many may be considered “essential” worker? // 🙂
    ….. migrants from Africa and the Middle East demonstrated the lowest level of self-sufficiency — 38% and 36% ……
    ……. Swedish government considers any citizen who does at least one hour of work per week to be employed. ……
    ….. 2019, 73% of the country’s population growth was due to migrants, while native-born Swedes continue to leave the country, …..

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/sweden-most-migrants-will-never-be-self-sufficient/
    Building a population depending on social welfare, while one in, one out, so replacing the population,

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    • Simpleton

      Re: ‘…Migrants from Africa and the Middle East demonstrated the lowest level of self-sufficiency — 38% and 36% …’

      Says it all really; they came with a ‘gimme, gimmee, gimmee’ attitude, not a ‘what can I do to help my new land’ approach.

      Unfortunately, this is also happening in NZ, and again, it involves Africans, specifically those from north of the Sahara. (‘Nuff said)

      But hey, it gets votes for Labour, so why be concerned…?

      Thank you.

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  4. Did anyone see Katie Bradford all smirks and smiles on TV last night? She is clearly enjoying seeing the death of private enterprise/rise of a Socialist state.
    The NZ Media clearly have an agenda to portray Saint Jacinda as the ‘Saviour of the Masses’ and are ignoring the thousands of people who have lost their jobs. businesses and homes.
    For that I hope every Journalist in New Zealand loses their jobs- Every single fucking one of these dirtbags deserves a taste of reality.
    *Sorry I’m in a foul mood today- The extended lockdown means pretty much the end for me financially (and my wife has already been made redundant)

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    • Don’t let the fuckers get you down. Been there, done that. The ‘87 crash put me under. Lost my business, income and home. It just made me stronger to get back up and show how you can survive and come out on top.
      Keep a positive attitude and you too can come out on the winning side.

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      • Cheers mate!
        Might take a year or two but we we will fight back- We are both highly skilled and experienced and are already ‘thinking outside the square’ and looking at new options.
        My young daughter is my main worry-Very upset and confused as to why we are going to have to move etc

        *I tell ya- Having just explained to a tearful child why we have to sell the house/change Schools and then getting bombarded with all the ‘Saint Jacinda has saved us all’ bullshit from MSM AND friends on Social Media…
        Jesus the blood has been boiling a few times!

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        • Sorry to hear about your predicament, Mate. I’m a firm believer of “when one door shuts, another one opens”. Take care and stay well.

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        • Good luck Capricorn. Keep talking through your situation with your wife and keep up lots of big hugs for her and the family.

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        • children are addaptable and what today is a drama tomorrow is forgotten.
          IMHO the most important person is you good lady.
          In tough times that’s where your loyaty and efforts lie.
          Others may disagree of course.

          Tough times never last, tough people do.

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        • This experience will change your young daughter’s attitudes to life. She will not become a member of a generation who is entitled and who takes things for granted, I am sure.

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        • Editor / Capricorn. We’re a community of like minded people here. Is it worth having a place where we can share what we do so any of our friends here can help out?

          I’m looking for a strong Azure Architect at this stage and if Capricorn has capability in that space, I can put him in touch with our HR department.

          Something like the business round table, but for YSB.

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    • Been there done that.
      And this time isn’t much easier as I am a lot older.

      Two things.
      Surrrond yourself with positive people and anyone who is negative stay away from.

      Its not what happens to you but what you do about it.

      I lost all my lifes work in a trade I was born into. Decided that after all that time that was it and I wouldn’t go back again to it.
      11% unemployed here at the time and people leaving for Aussie in droves.
      Went and started selling door to door. ( Security Products not vacunm cleaners.Ha). Did that for 9 years along with a few other things. Learnt heaps doing that. Can go anywhere and talk to anyone from being a relatively shy person.
      Gone on to do lots of things. Defintiely have enough in place to get us through this so long as it doesnt last more than 6 months.
      Make sure you cut the hell out of any spending.
      Make sure you put aside some money in the good times to get you through the bad. Thats what most people never do.
      The CHCH eqrthquake was a wake up call for doing that.

      Its interesting becuase this seems to happen in one form or another to all generations except the currnet one. Its their turn.

      So Never ever give up.
      Stand back and look around and see what you can build upon.
      Jobs will come back but probably in different spaces.
      An example is the honey business. Down in the dumps for the last couple of years. Going gang busters this year.

      So there is a new start out there.

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        • And the business equivalent Linked In
          All glowing crap about Cindy Doll and her amazeballs hugz, feelz, and smartz

          without admitting/recognising she has crashed the economy
          ..on a business site for crissake
          It crushes that four letter word > hope

          I had not been on there this year but with spare time had a look.
          So sad.
          So very very sad.

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    • Fuck, I’m sorry to hear that man. And to have the echo chamber in your ear at the same time with their fake kindness. Good luck, you’re the kind of person that will make this work.

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  5. This Daily Mail graph of the Wuhan Lab flu infections in Australia plotted against the timeline of various actions by the AUS Government. Given there is a several days delay between being infected and results from a diagnostic test, it looks to me like the lockdown has had little to no effect. The infection rate was already dropping like a stone.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/20/14/27417016-8236071-image-a-4_1587387693601.jpg

    One possibility that just occurred to me was that the public changed their behaviour without any action by the Government apart from perhaps closing the borders.

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    • Interesting point. I was watching this last night and it would seem to illustrate that the Japanese have done the same thing and changed their behaviour without the coercion of a nanny state, big brother operation just “advice” from the government. The video is 24 minutes long with not much commentary so you can zip through it to get the idea without having to watch the whole thing. Those who have been to Tokyo will see the most extraordinary change that has taken place.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6sC43vrpnU

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  6. I am so sorry Capricorn, this is for you and many thousands of New Zealanders such a dreadful time. I am fortunate in that I am retired, but I have children and one grandchild who is working in a packhorse at the moment, the others are at school. The chances him getting work in his chosen field that he has been studying in are very remote for the future. Once the country gets back to semi work and the reality of this really hits the sheeple they will realise the error of their ways. Unfortunately it won’t help. Socialists and Communists ( how much difference is there really?) are the scum of the earth. All part of the plan to drive us all under. Its all because some algorithm said we should expect a few deaths. I am unclear why people are so frightened of death? Its something life that happens and to be honest this is no life for anyone. Freedom is the most important of all. Many people have worked so hard for their futures apart from the c o l voters this suits them right down to the ground. The demise of NZ in one easy lesson.

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    • Us oldies have been saying for a while now that anyone under forty needs a reality check. They have or are about to get it in the coming months.
      In the past week I have had four calls from people looking for work. This is only the tip of a very big iceberg coming at us.

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      • IMHO anyone who actually makes something or provides an essential service has a good chance of bouncing back. Hopefully they’ll be less ready to outsource work to China & Third World this time.

        Those who are stuffed are the armies of people who make coffee for each other & those who work in non essential retail. Shopping as a pastime is going to take a terminal hit & everyone who can will be considering the option of E commerce.

        Regrettably the government will protect the legions of wankers in universities & other counter-productive fields where socialists gather.

        Can other commenters & readers share their thoughts on the likely winners & losers of three years hence?.

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        • Winner in three years hence will be a somewhat right leaning party after 6 years of this lot.

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        • I have a growing anger for those opinion pushers and paper pushers paid for the taxpayer who don’t contribute anything concrete to our world. If half or all of them were removed from their jobs society wouldn’t notice any difference to our daily lives except for a saving of salaries. The academic pontificating leeches who always manage to maintain their employment while people more essential to serving society suffer the arrows of unemployment. Government departments and councils need to eliminate the unnecessary and get back to their basic functions. There is going to be a reduced tax take and so it is time to have a clean out and rebuild what we need not pay the unnecessary leeches on high salaries who don’t produce anything functional.

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        • Agree with you. The coffee and cake industry is an indulgence of a successful capitalist system, likewise less useful academic pursuits. I see US Colleges out with the begging bowl as overall student numbers are falling mainly for degrees in Lesbian Dance Theory type subjects. Happening in NZ too. I was lucky enough to do a STEMS degree and to get involved in an emerging technology in the nineties. My vocation has nothing to do with my degree but the high level maths I studied continues to be of enormous help. I have to get back to the grindstone and I will check back later on the ysb wisdom.

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          • “The coffee and cake industry is an indulgence of a successful capitalist system”.

            Yes, but at least they are self-employed, providing employment and producing something and not being paid by the taxpayer. Food is a fickle industry and those who choose it have to work way harder to survive than any taxpayer paid “talking head”.

            My anger is directed at the academic talking heads and non-essential “empire building” taxpayer and ratepayer funded bureaucrats adding fluff and glitter when what we need is functionality and productive business. Remove government and red tape from private industry and get out of the way.

            PS congrats on your STEM degree. We need clever people in life. It’s the middle managers, full of hot air and no substance who have infiltrated our taxpayer paid services and make the most of spending on unnecessary incidentals that my ire is aimed at. 😡 👍

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        • I live a 2 hour return trip away from the nearest hardware store, engine parts shop or any other store that’s not involved in selling groceries.

          For the last 2 or 3 years, I have been shopping through Aliexpress, and apart from waiting 2 or 3 weeks for the purchase to arrive, it has been the cheapest and more convenient way to get stuff. If I travelled to town, ($40 worth of petrol) the product that I needed would have been made in China in any event.

          Most of the Aliexpress shopping has “free postage” (albeit at the expense of NZ post) and if I had shopped online in NZ, I am looking at between $10 – $20 in freight…(for probably the same Chinese made item) which would normally be my total Aliexpress cost.

          Recently I bought a carburetor for a Tecumseh motor from the States. (Tecumseh has been out of business for about 15 years…can no longer get parts here) Postage via NZ Post Centre in the USA was around $35, with the total cost coming to a little over $100. Turned out the carb was made in China. I needed a second one of the same type and found it on Aliexpress…all up landed to my post box from China, cheaper than the postage of the earlier one from the States.

          With the current situation, I don’t want to buy any Chinese made product. I have been doing that with food products from China, or for that matter any Asian country since forever…don’t trust the ingredients or the quality control…but how are we going to get on for tools, parts, hardware and the like when all of these German/Japanese/USA brands (Bosch,AEG, Sthil, Makita etc) are now made in China? Even my Nikon camera is Chinese made.

          I cannot see us being able to extricate ourselves from our reliance on China…we are truly in bed with the devil.

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          • If the USA & Japan start to repatriate their manufacturing then what starts out as a trickle will end as a flood as businesses currently competing solely on price take the opportunity to reclaim what little is left of their intellectual property.

            Of more concern is the financial hold China has over developing countries & their production eg India & most of Africa.

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            • Not only developing countries. The West needs to be very wary of any Chinese linked enterprises buying up struggling businesses.
              It is time to diversify supply, bring critical production back on shore and if we must keep it cheap that might mean giving more work to our allies in asia – India, Taiwan etc.
              Sadly, the Chinese need us less than we need them. They have a huge internal consumer base, and we have already funded the factories to allow them to produce most of the products we enjoy in the West.
              Even in the time of Deng Xiaoping he correctly said ‘light industry will fund heavy industry’ and then opened up Shanghai to Western investment.
              They play a long game, but the West only moves on the basis of election cycles, or even worse – virtue signalling.
              Even if some of our leaders wake up (thinking more UK and USA here) then it may already be too late to prevent the continued decline of the West relative to Chinese power.

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        • The winners will be those already on Government support, eg the benes who are already $25 a week better off. UBI next I’ll bet. The losers will be those with assets and a good income. Increased taxes, wealth tax (except the family home – poor bloody farmers who will get hit hard with this) Death duties, GST at 20%. Must be something else they can tax too, NZ about to be economically killed, socialism out if control.

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      • Thought experiment. Who is the most vulnerable? Who will likely contribute the most to the New Zealand economy and the creation of jobs for New Zealand workers?

        a. Retired couple. No debt. One rental property.
        b. Retired elderly single renter.
        c. Young couple with a new baby. Auckland mortgage. Husband is a pilot at Air New Zealand.
        d. South Auckland solo mother of 3 in state housing.
        e. A middle-aged dairy farmer in Waikato who quit sharemilking a decade ago to get his own farm.
        f. A truck driver, with wife, two young children and a mortgage.
        g. A refugee from Syria and his pregnant wife.
        h. A 20-year old studying hospitality at technical college, with a $25,000 student loan. Living with parents.
        i. An HR manager at the IRD in Wellington.
        j. An SME owner who is breaking into new overseas markets. Mortgaged to the hilt. Works 65 hours a week. Will likely begin to break even in the next financial year. No serious competition (yet). Highly likely on paper to be very profitable in the medium term.

        Your analysis and comments are welcome.

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        • Okay, Scored 1 to 10 first vulnerable & second contribution.

          a) 1*******2 (semi parasite)
          b) 3*******1 (parasite)
          c) 10*****6
          d) 1******1 (parasite before – parasite after)
          e) 7******5
          f) 8******7 (this age/employment group will get govt help)
          g) 1******1 (parasite)
          h) 5******5
          i) 1******1 (parasite)
          j) 10*****8 (already high risk of going under)

          Wrap up: The entrepreneurial & the contributors to society will take a bath while the leeches will continue to prosper. Not necessarily a good outlook for NZ but those with education & attitude will probably bounce back wiser & better than before.

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          • Ironic that in NZ, the most valuable and contributing members of society face the greatest hardships.
            On the other hand, is such hardship actually a key part of the process for success?

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            • I don’t consider it a “key part” but more a flow on from concentrating one’s endeavours in one direction. The main drivers of success are attitude (ambition) & ability (often but not always education).

              The Vietnamese bloke who runs a successful takeaway, Graeme Hart & John Key are all made of the same stuff

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        • After watching Grand Designs last night, which was about John Britten’s daughter remodelling the family house, I had to remind myself about John’s background before he got into building those fabulous motorbikes. I had forgotten he was dyslexic. My wife had taught a few dyslexic kids when she did learning support at her school, so I knew a little about the issue —they are often very bright and almost always very creative.
          But it got me thinking about how John would have had to battle through his education and I’m sure this struggle would have “moulded” him into the very determined, “never give” adult that lead to his tremendous success in his relatively short life.
          So I agree with nasska that drive and ability are the key needs to success.

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    • It’s OK! No worries!

      Their children will all grow up in Swedish schools, learning Swedish as their first language, learning the culture and values of their new homeland. They will strive to do their part to be productive members of Swedish society and will set an example for the natives.

      … Wait a minute…

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    • Be under no illusions folks, it’s also happening in little old NuZld; and again, involves ‘Africans from north of the Sahara.

      ‘Gimmmee, gimmeee, gimmeee’ is why they’re here; never, ever ‘What can I give in return’, besides which allah demands that I consider them ‘kaffirs’ and all inferior as a result…

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  7. Jesus Christ Ardern. Stop murdering the English language.

    It’s BEEN not BIN.

    You are quick to jump on Simon for the way he pronounces some of his words……. remember people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

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    • And to think Jacinda sat smirking while Winston openly taunted Bridges about his speech impediment in Parliament…

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      • And Winston with his stammering and bluster bastardised the English language every time he opens his smarmy mouth.

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  8. The Greens are fucked.

    U.S. crude oil prices plummeted sharply on Monday amid the COVID-19 pandemic, falling by nearly 300% and turning negative for the first time in history while practically absent demand has pushed storage facilities to the extreme limits, reports NBC News.
    A U.S. benchmark on crude called West Texas Intermediate sank to unprecedented lows of minus $37.63 per barrel by close of the oil market on Monday — a dizzying level that basically means producers will have to pay buyers to take their oil.

    Oil due for delivery in May was hardest hit since that futures contract will expire on Tuesday, reports NBC News. The June contract also dropped, however by a much smaller margin of 18%.

    Oil companies paying people to drive their big V8’s around. Sounds good to me.
    https://interestingengineering.com/us-oil-drops-nearly-300-closes-below-0-for-first-the-time-in-history-amid-covid-19?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=Apr20&fbclid=IwAR217LdeHU_n9CJk7p4l2CSatO5t9CiCWeIrBAzVXb8GBzuQcgPKFDCZLD8

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    • Ha good. I previously worked in OGC. The ‘green’ oil co. is the biggest cnut of the lot. I hope they go under, or at least drop to the bottom of the heap. I cannot emphasise that C word enough in relation to them.

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  9. Contact tracing capacity ‘a mathematical impossibility’ – Michael Woodhouse
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/contact-tracing-capacity-a-mathematical-impossibility-michael-woodhouse.html

    The government said it will put $55 million more into the system.

    In early April, the national centre averaged 450 contacts traced per day over a four-day period, with a high of 700 on one of those days.

    National Party’s health spokesperson Michael Woodhouse said it was not believable to think that capacity had risen by 10 times.

    “There are 220 people in the contact tracing centre, and just 100 in the public health units.

    “They’re doing a number of things, not just contact tracing.

    “So it’s a mathematical impossibility for 5000 successful contacts to take place.”

    Factored in too, was the number of calls that failed because no one picked up or the number was out of date, which the audit shows had been running at 40 percent of calls made.

    The audit said the ministry should “rapidly develop” a smartphone app to help with tracing.
    RNZ understands that Auckland company Rush Digital is building the app for the ministry.

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    • And read the interesting snippet.

      The ministry told RNZ in a statement on Friday that two-thirds of the contact details of all New Zealanders in its databases were correct, but one third “may be out of date”, and it was still trying to find technology to fix that.

      So on Friday, 66% of the contact details were good.

      At yesterday’s briefing, however, Dr Bloomfield said well over 90 percent of people’s contact details in the National Health Index were correct.

      And on Monday they’d managed to find, correct and verify another 23% of New Zealanders contact details. So charitably about a 1,000,000 contact details were verified over the weekend.

      They are liars.

      The media are not calling them on it.

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  10. Decision to extend Covid-19 lockdown met with ‘hearty debate’ – Shane Jones

    The decision to lift New Zealand’s lockdown next week to Alert Level 3 was met with a “hearty debate”, but NZ First was “solidly behind” the Prime Minister’s announcement, MP Shane Jones says.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/decision-extend-covid-19-lockdown-met-hearty-debate-shane-jones?auto=6150876643001

    When asked by Tame of the “shovel ready” infrastructure projects that are set to start to help the economy recover from the effects of Covid-19, Mr Jones said there would be long term projects, but suspected they would need to “go through the maturation process of a election campaign”.

    He said Cabinet decisions would be “driven by short term initially to offer relief … I want to direct my attention to the areas there are a genuine market failure”.

    “Kiwis want short term mitigation steps to give them confidence.”

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    • Aka ‘We don’t really know what we’re doing, but as the media will never ask the awkward questions , we’re home free.’

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    • I just noticed this throwaway: “I want to direct my attention to the areas there are a genuine market failure

      There is no market failure. The market is fine. What isn’t fine is your fucking intervention in the market.

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    • BOOM is right Alice! That is despicable and criminal. Trump says they are looking into the illegal payment. Fauci is responsible for a budget of $32B. I guess he thought nobody would notice a tiny $3.7m siphoned off to the Wuhan lab. Fauci and Gates, etc should be in prison.

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    • Bridges should look further than Australia. The country to model our response on is Taiwan. No real lockdown, but they have practiced social distancing, border control and enforced face masks since January.

      Yesterday they had 18 cases per million (23m people), 0.3 deaths per million.
      Australia had around 260 cases per million and 3 deaths per million.

      Compared to Ardern’s “world beating” record of 299 cases per million and 2 deaths per million.

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      • Absolutely Pascal. Taiwan is the benchmark.

        I saw Bridges on the Kenny show on Sky News last night. I want this guy to do OK but he was terrible –hardly answered one question well, very poor articulation etc. ACT have my vote but realistically a new Govt IF there is a change will be led by National.
        He needs to get some coaching really quickly.

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        • See my posts 9.53am and 10.02am above. Listen to the tone (not necessarily the content) of the two interviews above of Shane Jones being interviewed and then listen to Simon Bridges. Shane might be a blowhard much of the time but he has an excellent timbre in his tone. David Seymour also has a good speaking voice. Bridges nowhere near.

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          • It’s not just his voice. He rambles on like an old woman blathering over the fence.

            People have gone to sleep standing up while listening to him.

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  11. – Monday 27 April – Anzac Day observed. No distance learning.
    – Tuesday 28 April – Teacher Only Day. No distance learning.
    – Wednesday 29 April – Distance learning for all. School site opens for those who are unable to stay at home.

    They’re taking the piss now. This is from a school that shut 10 days before the end of term to “prepare for distance learning”. Hint, all their learning for the last 8 years have been device based. It’s all online anyway.

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    • “They’re taking the piss now. ”

      Mate Teachers have always been taking the piss!
      Have you seen their petition to their beloved Jacinda? The one where they want to keep Schools closed indefinitely? (While they lounge around at home on full pay)

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    • Told ya. Told ya they’d do this.
      Sure as night follows day.
      Been banging on about these piss-takers since this started.
      Welcome to my hymn sheet.

      Constant messages from the Principal assuring families that teachers are absolute heroes and stars – all the while being at home ON FULL PAY.
      The depressing thing is the sheer volume of fawning messages from brainless suburbanite mummies telling Miss that she’s wonderful and the pictures of her baby (I kid you not) and the puppy are sooo cute!
      I fear for our society.

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      • I had no idea how bad the suburban housewife crowd was until this fucking lockdown. We live in a semi-upmarket neighbourhood. You know, where you’d expect to see lots of Yuppies and Chinese.

        With lockdown they’ve all gone:

        * Don’t talk to anybody, stay away from them or we’re all going to die.
        * Unless you need to borrow something or share something to be kind
        * Then it’s okay to share things
        * Oh and if I think you’re breaching your quarantine I’m calling 105
        * Isn’t Jacinda amazeballs?
        * Dogs should be on a leash
        * What do you mean I need to keep my cat inside? Cats are special

        It’s like having Karens dressed in Gestapo uniforms declaring their undying love for Jacinda all day.

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  12. If you need any more proof that Lefties brains are wired differently from the rest of us…
    New York mayor, Bill de Blasio said Monday
    It is “unconscionable” that Riker’s Island inmates who were released due to coronavirus concerns are committing new crimes, .

    “I think it’s unconscionable just on a human level that folks were shown mercy and this is what some of them have done,” the mayor said during his morning briefing Monday, which came on the heels of a Post report outlining the issue.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/unconscionable-for-released-inmates-to-commit-crimes-de-blasio/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

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  13. Luuvies want to keep the public transport fare free!
    Where do these people think the money comes from for their free transport comes from?
    Oh, Grant’s money tree on top of the beehive!

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  14. Peter Davis, behind the paywall in the herald. Is he the Mr Helun Clark?
    Has he been dragged out to support the comrade?

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  15. Infection and death statistics from the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare as of April 19th 6:00 p.m. (9:00 p.m. NZ time)

    Age group / Number infected / No. of deaths
    Under 10 / 158 / 0
    Teens / 244 / 0
    20s / 1,724 / 0
    30s / 1,614 / 2
    40s / 1,776 / 2
    50s / 1,827 / 7
    60s / 1,224 / 21
    70s / 957 / 50
    80s / 782 / 87

    This bug really affects the elderly (who are also highly likely to have chronic health problems).

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  16. Stuffed websit wants us to donate for honest reporting!
    I tried to give 1 cent. But they would not except it.
    I could not pay anymore because they are shite!

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    • Com’on Sooty. Where would you have been back in February if Stuff hadn’t broken the news that “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s daughter Neve helped organisers pack away boxes at the Waitangi Treaty Grounds ?”

      Without the bullshit & red herrings provided by this august news gatherer we might have actually found out about the skulduggery & horse trading that would have gone on at the event.

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      • I remember that effort- They were rather desperately trying to portray Baby Neve as the next Greta Thunburg!
        It fell rather flat….Even the Stuff comments weren’t kind

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    • I sent Stuffed the following email yesterday. Childish, I know.

      “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!😅

      You lot want a hand out ??!!!! You want support??!!!

      HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

      You lot can all go and die in the gutter.
      Enjoy unemployment. You deserve it.

      Kind Regards”

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  17. Watch live as COVID-19 Epidemic Response Committee probes ministers on decision to extend lockdown
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/watch-live-as-covid-19-epidemic-response-committee-probes-ministers-on-decision-to-extend-lockdown.html

    The Epidemic Response Committee is a group of 11 MPs, the majority of whom are in Opposition, who meet via videoconference with the purpose of holding the Government to account on its coronavirus response.

    Bridges leads the committee, and is joined by four other National MPs, three Labour MPs, one Green Party MP, one New Zealand First MP, and permanent member David Seymour, leader of the ACT Party.

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    • I see democracy at work again with the Willy Jackson video having been removed. Censorship to remove idiot Willy embarrassing the shallow puddle of the CoL?

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  18. Just had a quick look. Seymour’s good natured and intelligent questioning of Willie Jackson looks more like a skewering of the village idiot. Classic quotes are ” Willie it seems like you’re sucking and blowing at the same time” and “I wish your government had more ministers like you”. The irony flew straight over his head.

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    • Anything to try and stop the price of houses dropping. Imagine the rout if all the highly leveraged unemployed and unemployable had to face losing their homes.
      Being cashed up might not be such a bad thing.

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      • Repo agents are gonna be busy. Bro’s 65 inch flatscreen, x-boxes, Holden V8’s all on tick.. “dont answer the door bro! “

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    • It’s to get Ardern across the line at election time.

      These are collectively the highest election bribes in human history, on a per capita basis.

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  19. Level 3 looking more restrictive than anticipated, Westpac’s chief economist says
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121079245/level-3-looking-more-restrictive-than-anticipated-westpacs-chief-economist-says

    The Treasury’s worst economic scenario would see GDP hit so hard that the economy would shrink to just over two thirds of its current size, crashing to just $219 billion in 2021.

    Within the Treasury’s numbers however were hints the Government is considering “massively more fiscal stimulus to support the economy”, Stephens said.

    “They’ve already spent $20b on support measures but I think Treasury’s work hinted at an additional $20b being spent.”

    Despite concerns around the country’s debt levels, Stephens said previous forecasts for New Zealand’s debt-to-GPD ratio showed it would lift to 40 per cent. Even with an extra $20b of fiscal spending, it was likely to lift to only 45 per cent, he said – “not really a materially different number”.

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    • Last time I heard, the fat poof told us we were at 19% which is 6% below maximum. Maybe he needs to do a recalibration.

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  20. Jesus and Joseph doggy styled Mary !!!!

    The Reserve Bank is dropping minimum deposit ratios to prop up the grossly inflated housing market. Using a debt based ponzi scheme. This on top of the eye watering debt of Ardern’s election bribes.

    The reckless lending of imaginary money, to people who can’t afford it, caused the GFC.

    Mind you – things are so bad anyway we might as well double down and see what happens.

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    • Agreed
      In times of crisis it makes survival easier if there is as much stability around financial settings as possible.
      Unnecessary change only creates an uncertainty that will Inevitably exacerbate the crisis.

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    • How dare you 😡 LOL

      I hope the world’s whaling fleets are exploiting the cheap fuel to provide kai moana for their tangata whenua 👍

      Kia kaha O-Sen and our Norse friends.

      Bwaaaahahaha

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    • Because the government’s take is already massively reduced due to lower demand, they want every penny from what is still used, they probably want to put it up, people can afford to pay more due to using less surely?

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    • So
      “range of illnesses which cause respiratory issues have halted during lockdown”

      code for
      ‘These people were not able to access hospital and planned surgery for the past month so have died’

      AB: we count this as a successful outcome in our war on a flu virus!

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  21. Thanks so much for all the kind words today guys!
    This whole experience has been a massive kick in the guts (Especially as I’ve been battling some health problems as well) but it is nice to know there are people out there who aren’t living in ‘Jacindapixieland’ who know what’s really going on…

    I’ll leave you with a quote a good mate sent me to pep me up-

    “Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now if you know what you’re worth then go out and get what you’re worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! ” – Rocky Balboa

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  22. Kiwiblog have lost the plot https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/04/you_can_now_donate_to_stuff.html

    Quote:” Stuff has many great journalists whose work I enjoy – Dana Johannsen in sports, Tony Wall in investigations, Rebecca Stevenson in business, Henry Cooke in politics, Tom PS in IT, Andrea Vance, Martin van Beynen, Eugene Bingham etc. (non exclusive list).”

    FFS There are no great Journalists at Stuff (probably the whole of New Zealand) and their refusal to publish Climate Skeptic view points means they can Go and Fuck them selves. I know the Guardian is lefty as, but at least they write well.

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    • Once again DPF utterly astonishes me with his gushing over the Stuff ‘Journalists’!
      Those same Stuff ‘Journalists’ who excitedly reported that the Wellington Whale had mystically and magically arrived in the harbour to celebrate Baby Neve’s birth! (Surely a contender for most insane propaganda story of the decade?)

      Some great responses from Kiwibloggers gives me hope-
      “I wouldn’t give them the steam off a bowl of bat soup”
      “The same people who watched swathes of their own colleagues dismantled by Saint Jacinda of the Chip-Vats with barely a whimper.”

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    • And thus the Grand Socialist Reprogramming is complete. Congratulations, Comrade Farrar on joining the Party.

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    • Someone has kidnapped the DPF we knew. The blog is being run by an algorithm stolen from Massey University!

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    • I went over to have a look. 95% of the comments were negative, so it wasn’t a very successful bit of free advertising by KB,

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    • It all coincided with marriage and parenthood.

      He always has been a bit fawning over the flat-faced, emotionally challenged hags in the National party – and he’s pretty far away from being what one might describe as an alpha-male. Sadly and cruelly I suspect he is being helped to mend his ways by Mrs Farrar and like a sad pinko male he is made to wear his vagina hat when he sits at his keyboard. For the man to still claim to be centre-right when he is at best old Labour (and more probably 60-70% socialist in his views) shows he has absolutely no integrity left.

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  23. Any one know who the “coolas” cunt is on KB? What a fucking plonker. The comments on the Demise of Stuff article are great. I hope some one forwards them to the idiots in charge…

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  24. A humour page? I just sent Chris what I considered to be a funny thing on facebook to share if he agreed, so a dedicated page?

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  25. Gasoline Is Selling for 12 Cents a Gallon and Nobody Wants It
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gasoline-selling-12-cents-gallon-100000541.html

    Top 3 Oil companies (by revenue) in the world are:
    1. Sinopec – state controlled, China Flag of China
    2. Saudi Aramco – state controlled, Saudi Arabia Flag of Saudi Arabia
    3. China National Petroleum – state controlled, China Flag of China

    Total Reveunes in excess of $1 Trillion dollars per year.

    https://twitter.com/OfficialFreeTrn/status/1252376877580210182

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    • Maybe the Americans are having a go at both the Chinese and the Saudis at the same time?

      China: Oooops! How did that virus get in your soup?
      US: Hey! Look at that! How did the price of oil suddenly go negative?!

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  26. The Nine News (AU) owned Stuff that produces paper rags such as Dominion Past-it has the begging bowl out.
    Just about every article I read today is credited to ‘Newsroom’
    Clearly they don’t do journalism.
    Who knew? //

    Why don’t Stuffed just have a PSA* to ask people to donate to Newsroom.
    Why the middle man?
    It would be more honest

    …4 minutes lader
    News just in:-
    Stuffed don’t do honesty.

    *PSA public service announcement

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    • I wonder how many articles they wrote supporting their advertisers over the last few weeks ?
      We have known the owners have been trying to flog it for sometime. This just illustrates why they haven’t found a buyer.

      But I will donate if they published at least two constructively critical articles on the Govt. per day and they get rid of their blind faith in Climate Change and publish alternatives.

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      • you say
        if they published at least two constructively critical articles on the Govt. per day

        are you doing drugs Rosco?
        //

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        • Touche !! I would need to be on drugs to believe that could but that is why I know I will never have to put my hand in my pocket to make the donation.

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  27. I see Ardern’s mentor is gravely ill:

    Single-hearted Unity Is True Appearance of Juche Korea and Ever-Victorious Weapon: Rodong Sinmun

    Rodong Sinmun Monday in an article says that our country has demonstrated its dignity all over the world as the powerful socialist country, while resolutely smashing the international reactionary forces’ moves to stifle it, thanks to the single-hearted unity unique in the world.

    The single-hearted unity is the true features of the Korean-style socialism which can be seen only in Juche Korea, says the article, and goes on:

    https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1587413116-497313709/single-hearted-unity-is-true-appearance-of-juche-korea-and-ever-victorious-weapon-rodong-sinmun/

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    • Bitch!

      Easy to score political points sitting on your $250k – $300k salary and parliamentary paid expenses and pontificate on matters you only know anything about from an outside view. 😡

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    • She has clearly never run a business. Does not know what cash flow is all about. But isn’t she meant to be some academic expert on tax –ie. she supposedly knows something about finance.

      But she is totally stupid —she thinks Air NZ is a small business obviously and she thinks Stuff is a small business and she thinks Bauer NZ is a small business. Do I need to go on? This once I wish I was on Twitter.

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    • Russell was a talker at Massey Agriculture College before becoming a Liebour MP.
      The home of anti-free speech!

      ‘Deborah’s doctoral thesis was on multiculturalism, looking at the ways that people from different ethnicities and countries can live alongside and with each other in thriving societies.’

      what a fecking clueless, nasty bitch

      Her hubby is also a trougher at Massey Ag College.
      No connection to the real world in that trough-house.
      Even Robertson thought she was going too far !!

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  28. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQM6NBzTW4
    Judge Jeanine: You can’t keep Americans down

    We’re ready to fight the virus, ready to fight to get back to work and ready to fight to re-open our country in a safe and strategic way.

    “You politicians want to flex your muscles? Well keep your damn hands off us and do something about those who got us into this mess in the first place”!

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  29. So are they really “National supporters”?

    National supporters threaten to abandon Simon Bridges after Facebook post criticising COVID-19 lockdown extension
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/national-supporters-threaten-to-abandon-simon-bridges-after-facebook-post-criticising-covid-19-lockdown-extension.html

    Bridges, who leads the National Party, brushed off the criticism on Tuesday by insisting there will “be a bunch of different views” online and that people are “entitled” to those views.

    The Facebook post he published accused the Government of not doing enough to prepare the country to come out of alert level 4. It also pointed to Australia where industries like retail and manufacturing have been able to continue.

    “I’m sure many Kiwis feel frustration that we still can’t do many things Australians have done through the entire lockdown period, at great cost in terms of jobs and livelihoods, with similar health outcomes,” Bridges said.

    “I now worry that the harm of staying in lockdown will be greater than if we were to come out. We will no doubt see a rise in mental health problems and stress related illnesses.”

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    • Do they really expect us to believe they were National supporters making those comments on FB, of all places ? They really do think we are idiots and they wonder why we are not that unhappy that the MSM is dying.

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      • Pretending to be dissatisfied National voters is an old tactic used by Labour every election year. Yes, they do think we are stupid. 😵

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    • …..”So are they really “National supporters”?”……

      I can’t think of any reason why they wouldn’t be, at least originally. National are tone deaf to criticism over direction or leadership. Anyone critical of the direction has two choices & one of them is to leave. The other is to shut up.

      Faced with autocrats the wavering supporters probably paraphrase Jim Anderton & think, “I didn’t leave the National Party. The National Party left me,”

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      • I hear you and don’t disagree. There’s plenty of disaffected National voters that have realised to reclaim their country ACT is their only option 🙂

        However on Facebook you’ll encounter a person on a Stuff article, singing Jacinda Ardern’s praises and generally behaving like a good little Labour voter. Next minute on National’s page “I’m a National Party supporter, but this makes me angry” or “I voted for National last election but this disgusts me!”

        It’s an old and dirty tactic from Labour voters.

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        • Fair comment Pascal. The Left fight dirty because that is the only way they know how.

          But how to influence National has got me beat. I’m not nor will I ever be a member of a political party whereas to join a party to have a say is the traditional & not unreasonable advice. Yet as a Wairarapa cocky I knew most of the local party hierarchy & I adjudged them to be blind & deaf as to what the grassroots wanted.

          Maybe the Godcrap has got to them or maybe they’ve been under attack for too long. They need to go back to their original principles which read:

          …….”“To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”. “……

          And stay to fuck out of people’s private affairs!

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          • But how to influence National has got me beat

            Same here. I wish I’d had the chance to see them before the Key days, but I landed in NZ in 2001 so have really only known Clark, Key and Ardern.

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    • Funny you mention that WK. I was just on there reading all the shite the liarbor trolls were posting. So blatently obvious. I gave many a serve.

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    • I would like to believe those being questioned under the law by the SFO during their investigation would comply. Sadly I have my doubts.

      “Our actual completion date will be dependent upon our ability to conduct certain interviews as well as other tasks which can only be completed at lower alert levels and the cooperation of those who hold information relevant to our investigation.”

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      • Looks like code…

        We’re buttering you suckas up to believe that our report will be in before the election, but we’re implanting a little grain into your brain, so that you won’t be surprised when the report doesn’t eventuate….

        Oh, that’s right, some folks must have been uncooperative, you will intone.

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  30. HUGE: The UK Just Dumped China’s Huawei in 5G Tech Roll-Out — Citing its Lies Over Coronavirus.

    Western democracies, especially the United States, just heaved a huge sigh of relief after getting word that United Kingdom PM Boris Johnson is dropping the controversial Chinese tech company, Huawei, as the nation’s provider of 5G infrastructure.

    Although Johnson was in support of the Chinese tech giant laying the non-sensitive portions of 5G infrastructure, he said China’s lack of transparency about coronavirus made the communist-run country untrustworthy.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/huge-the-uk-just-dumped-chinas-huawei-in-5g-tech-roll-out-citing-its-lies-over-coronavirus/

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  31. SO Kimjong Un is on deaths door after a serious cardiac operation, Watch the filthy CCP rush over the border into that putrid shithole to “restore order” .
    If the democrats in the US steal the 2020 election the western worlds main industry will be teaching their populace to speak mandarin.

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    • It’s not the CCP invading countries all over the world. It’s not the CCP with around 800 active military bases in foreign countries.

      The Yanks are Zionist war mongers. It’s a testament to Trump that he is a staunch Zionist but has not spread war, like the filthy beast Obama.

      You may think you are on the winning side, but the faux jews of Europe, and their enablers, will pay. Its always the way. Sadly real jews and decent people will suffer too.

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  32. We live in interesting times.
    – Global economies tanking
    – No more tanks to hold crude oil. No-one wants the stuff!
    – The Dear Leader of North Korea indisposed. What will the CCP do?
    – Huawei slapped down
    – Politicians showing their authoritarian sides for all to see “it’s for your own good”
    – Biden has wandered off
    – Trump calls for the “liberation” of some states

    The game is afoot.

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  33. You thought that Debra was a fuckwit. Add this dumb C==t to the list.

    Minister of Small Business Stuart Nash says landlords should provide rent relief by using the gains they will get from the Government bringing back depreciation of commercial buildings.

    The Government has told commercial landlords to “step up now with rent relief” using the $2 billion they will gain from the depreciation of commercial buildings.

    Speaking at Parliament’s Epidemic Response select committee Minister of Small Business Stuart Nash said the reinstating of tax depreciation on commercial and industrial buildings would put an estimated $2 billion into the pockets of commercial and industrial landlords.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121150908/government-tells-landlords-to-step-up-with-rent-relief-for-commercial-property-tenants

    Did the dumb fuck even begin to do the maths and anyway that relieif was to help out with earthquake issues.

    They are out there.
    How dumb is a sack of hammers?

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    • Nash is still trying to become as smart as the sack ,forget the hammers, and that F- – – – – G idiot and his ilk are going to recover our economy when this Xi Jinping flu finally leaves ,yeah right.

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  34. Winston Peters urged to reimburse taxpayers the $1.2 million spent on his legal fees for failed privacy lawsuit

    Winston Peters is being urged to reimburse the public after his privacy lawsuit was thrown out this week.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/winston-peters-urged-reimburse-taxpayers-1-2-million-spent-his-legal-fees-failed-privacy-lawsuit?auto=6150980458001

    The Deputy Prime Minister paid his own lawyer but taxpayers footed the bill for the defence according to Crown Law.

    “I had no idea it was high as $1.2 million,” Paula Bennett said.

    “I think he should be having a really good look at having to pay that back to taxpayers – when on all counts he has failed.”

    Members of the Wellington public agreed with Ms Bennett’s sentiments today.

    “I definitely reckon he should pay for it,”

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    • Peters needs to reimburse New Zealanders for a tad more than that paltry sum.
      How much does a sovereignty sold, signature pen go for, these day’s?

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  35. Doctor says coronavirus could be spreading through farts – but experts aren’t so sure

    Australian doctor Andy Tagg pointed out that farting could cause coronavirus after analysing a series of tests take from coronavirus patients earlier this year.

    He cited tests that revealed the virus was present in the faeces of 55 per cent of patients with Covid-19.

    And medics have previously warned farts contain tiny poo particles that can spread bacteria.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11401962/doctor-coronavirus-spreading-farts/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

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  36. Health Minister forced back to Parliament next week to answer questions on COVID-19 response
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/health-minister-forced-back-to-parliament-next-week-to-answer-questions-on-covid-19-response.html

    Health Minister David Clark is being forced back to Parliament to answer questions next week as the nation shifts into COVID-19 alert level 3.

    With the lockdown lifting on Tuesday and restrictions around travel for essential work being loosened, a few key ministers and MPs will return for a pared-back Parliament.

    Leader of the House Chris Hipkins said on Tuesday returning MPs will include “key roles like the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Health”.

    “There are some who will need to fly, for example, the Minister of Health. I think there is an appetite to see him back at Parliament so that he can be questioned,” Hipkins said.

    Under COVID-19 alert level 3 and level 2, over-70s are asked to stay home.

    Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters is “considered an essential worker”, despite him recently celebrating his 75th birthday at home 10 days ago.

    Newshub pointed out to the Director-General that Peters is a septuagenarian – a person who is between 70 and 79 years old – and asked if returning to Parliament will be safe for him.

    “Well, I think the measures that have been put in place… both here and in every workplace, are designed to protect all New Zealanders,” Dr Bloomfield said.

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  37. Unintended consequences hit the tax take

    Government could lose $250 million in taxes as fuel sales plummet

    A drop in fuel sales during the Alert Level 4 lockdown could translate to a $250 million fall in revenue for the Government from fuel taxes.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-could-lose-250-million-in-taxes-fuel-sales-plummet-v1?auto=6150989572001

    Z Energy reports sales are down 80 per cent and about a dollar of every litre of regular petrol it sells is handed on to the Government in excise and GST.

    “The shortfall from our company alone – it would be around 80 to 100 mil a month,” Z Energy chief executive Mike Bennetts told 1 NEWS.

    “I would estimate that the overall market impact would be $200-$250 million less being collected on taxes right now.”

    Z is a shareholder in Refining NZ, which operates the country’s only oil refinery at Marsden Point.

    The plant has been running at half production since March 25 as demand for jet fuel has collapsed and regular petrol and diesel has fallen dramatically.

    NZ Refining recently announced plans to operate at reduced capacity until the end of August in response to the significant drop in demand for fuel.

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  38. From the Daily Mail
    “Jacinda Ardern like you’ve never seen her before”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232531/Comedians-botched-cake-job-depicting-Jacinda-Ardern-goes-viral.html#comments

    The ‘polite ‘ DM media says this:-
    -Kiwi comedian Laura Daniel baked and iced a cake depicting Jacinda Ardern
    -She made the cake this week during an episode of Kiwi TV show Seven Sharp
    -Daniel, 28, and host Hilary Barry took part in a two-hour bake-off competition
    -Daniel produced a ‘terrifying’ cake that looked nothing like the prime minister

    the comments say otherwise
    ie a good likeness

    If reading the comments keep liquid away from Keyboard
    You have been warned

    Ed may want to use the cake picture as a header

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    • ……”Instead the 28-year-old’s cake resembled a character from a horror movie, with stark white icing for the skin, googly eyes, large fake teeth and thick pieces of black licorice to portray Arden’s hair.”……

      What’s there not to love? A beautiful yet lifelike portrait & a piece of art worthy of recognition. 🙂

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      • Told you it was good

        Some of the comments
        -The cake is an improvement on the real Lefty.
        -The cake actually flatters her.
        -Just put a headscarf on and sh”t dribbling from mouth and you’ve nailed it ?

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    • I actually watched that and cringed when she began the attempt at icing Cindy’s face but the result was a hoot! Talk about a Halloween fright!
      I did wonder if she was actually taking the piss but I doubt it – msm afterall.

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