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  1. I was shown this article by an American acquaintance and although copied from an American publication, and relating to the US experience, it would seem to be relevant to NZ’s current situation, given the ”over-reaction’ by certain members of the ‘Boys in Blue’, and the ‘cosying-up’ of their superiors to the SLG.

    Cops Should Enforce the Law, Not the Whims of Politicians

    BY JACK DUNPHY APRIL 24, 2020

    Los Angeles police officers patrol a sparsely populated Venice Beach boardwalk in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill, File)
    On November 1, 2013, a gunman opened fire in Terminal 3 at Los Angeles International Airport. He was soon confronted and shot by airport police officers, but not before killing a TSA agent and wounding two others and a traveler.

    I was still with the LAPD at the time and was among the hundreds of police officers and federal agents who responded to the shooting’s chaotic aftermath. I wrote about the incident two days later, offering my perspective on why the chaos was far worse than it need have been. In short, decisions were made based on inaccurate and speculative reports, this despite the fact that reliable information was readily at hand. These poorly informed decisions led to an unnecessarily prolonged shutdown of the airport, bringing undue misery to thousands of travelers and causing disruptions to air traffic that were felt all over the country and beyond.

    I have been reminded of that day while watching the global upheaval wrought by the coronavirus pandemic. I will grant that the current situation is not entirely analogous to an isolated incident like the one at LAX, but certain comparisons are nonetheless instructive. Police officers everywhere know that when an incident achieves a certain level of public interest, higher-ranking personnel emerge from their offices to put their imprint on the course of events, most often with deleterious results. Such was the case at LAX that day, as command staff from the LAPD, Airport Police, L.A. County Sheriff’s Department, FBI, ATF, and a host of other agencies descended on the airport and began issuing nonsensical instructions, many of them conflicting with others issued moments earlier.

    Police officers also know, through bitter experience, that when an incident attains sufficient notoriety to attract input from political figures, the operation is all but certain to end in failure and disgrace. Even those high-ranking police officers who are adept and nimble decision-makers in a crisis (such people are rare) find themselves swept aside by their more numerous peers looking to please this or that political patron.

    Crackdowns on Lone Surfers and Paddleboarders Threaten to Erode Respect for Law Enforcement Even Further
    Apply these principles across the country (and the world), and you have an idea of why the response to the coronavirus has been so inconsistent and, in many cases, nonsensical. It has been the sad duty of America’s police officers to be the primary enforcers of this nonsense.

    In my previous column, posted on April 6, I lamented that the actions of some police officers, ordered to carry out some of the sillier or more onerous restrictions attendant to the pandemic, will further erode the already strained relationships their departments have within their communities. As one might have predicted, things have only gotten worse. Since that column was posted, we have seen police officers issuing $500 citations for the crime of attending a drive-in church service, and others arresting an Idaho woman who dared take her kids to a closed playground. Indeed, social media is awash with similar tales, which are all the more insulting to the average citizen when accompanied by stories of criminals released from jail only to re-offend within hours.

    With the accumulation of these stories, the populace grows ever more restive at the restraints placed upon them. If the law and civil authority are to be respected, the laws must be respectable, at least to a majority of those on whom they are imposed.

    Which brings us back to the police officers in the field and caught between their feckless superiors and a fractious public. There comes a time in every cop’s career when he receives instructions he knows will waste his time and may even be antithetical to his mission to reduce the fear of crime in his community. Often these instructions are relayed by a sergeant who himself is equally dubious about them, but who is obeying orders to disseminate them. When this happens, it is the wise officer who can say, “Yes, sir,” and then go out and do the right thing, modifying the instructions or ignoring them altogether with the sergeant’s tacit blessing. Every good cop, and every good sergeant, is familiar and comfortable with this arrangement.

    Chasing people away from churches, beaches, hiking trails, and parks, and arresting those who do not meekly comply, is not enforcing the “law,” it is enforcing the whimsical edicts of people unqualified to craft and issue them. When all of this is over, can the damage be undone? (1)

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    (1) Jack Dunphy, ‘Cops Should Enforce the Law, Not the Whims of Politicians’, [online], P J Media, 24 April 2020 [accessed 27 April 2020]

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    • This is an outstanding briefing. I watched it and Part 2 yesterday and sent the link to a number of MPs for whom it should be compulsory viewing. I liked his remark about Fauchi that though both doctors have respect for Fauchi the fact is that “he hasn’t seen a patient for 20 years, he’s up there in his ivory tower” he is more a politician these days than a doctor. And I especially liked Dr Erickson’s final remark at the end of Part 2 “If you stomp on our rights it will lead to only one thing, violence.”

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        • No, I wouldn’t waste my time with that shower…..
          I had a very nice personal response from Maureen Pugh who obviously took the time not only to look at what I had sent her but to reply thanking me. She is not my constituency MP, who I have not had a response from, but if she was I would be happy to vote for her.

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    • I watched it yesterday too and it’s well worth it, Dr. Erickson and the other doctor who backs him up are great communicators and their logic is faultless.

      I particularly resonated with the way he points out how crazy it is to quarantine the healthy instead of, as has always been the case, quarantining the sick .

      I really fear for what we and so many other countries have done to our societies over this otherwise quite unremarkable illness.

      As Dr. Erickson points out, the downstream effects of our panicked fear driven reaction to this are likely to be felt for years, maybe decades. That’s assuming we survive our stupidity…. which at the moment I can’t be totally confident about.

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    • Going to be hard to continue to swallow the lockdown garbage after watching that easily explained run down of the numbers.

      Essence for me was the initial action was reasonable given there were some unknowns. As we have moved through and the numbers are now real and not projections, the lockdown is not justified by the numbers. The situation is now many infected or now over the virus, but few deaths, We could be facing a bigger issue as natural immunity mechanisms are reduced by not contacting others outside the “bubble”. The “bubble” may be increasing the risk of a next and more serious phase.

      We need to get the economy underway as the consequences of the lockdown are more serious than the Covid-19. Well worth watching and warrants close consideration by the Epidemic Response Committee.

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  2. North Korea: Who might replace Kim Jong-un?
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/04/north-korea-who-might-replace-kim-jong-un.html

    North Korea has never announced who would follow leader Kim Jong-un in the event he is incapacitated, and with no details known about his young children, analysts say his sister and loyalists could form a regency until a successor is old enough to take over.

    South Korean and Chinese officials have publicly cast doubt on reports that Kim is gravely ill following a cardiovascular procedure, after his absence from a key state anniversary event on April 15 triggered speculation about his health.

    So far, each of the three Kims to rule North Korea has defied expectations, holding on to power with an iron grip. But under Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s arsenal of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles has grown substantially, raising concerns over who would control them.

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  3. It seems Winston must be anxious as another of the Barry Soper team has joined the media force to send the message that National must get rid of Simon Bridges Leader of the National Party.
    So what is going to happen when the shit hits the fan when the economy nose dives and thousands are made redundant, they won’t be able to blame Simon Bridges or National for years of neglect as they have already praised the prudence of Grant Roberson about the way he has handle debt and saying that that alone has enabled the Government to spend what the have already in response to CORID-19.
    S o how are the media going to pay for the fifty million dollar pay out from the Coalition for the mess Grant Roberson has created and who will do their dirty work to find a way of blaming the Opposition for the Government’s stupidity.

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    • You have to wonder why they are so worried. If he is doing such a bad job leave hm to it.

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    • Wynston and co want a new national leader that may not rule him out . why else would the media be bagging bridges so much.

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  4. Health and safety staff will be having a fielday with all these new regulations

    Building firms gear up to reopen tomorrow under Alert Level 3
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/building-firms-gear-up-reopen-tomorrow-under-alert-level-3?auto=6149876134001

    Under level 3, workers can resume on-site work, provided they have a Covid-19 control plan in place, with appropriate health and safety and physical distancing measures.

    Building firm Naylor Love’s chief executive, Rick Herd, said plans would be different at every work site, where each site had varying numbers of workers.

    “There will be additional cost in some sites where shift work will be required or there will be separation of people which will require a lot of management,” Herd said.

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        • You gotta feel sorry for the employer if someone catches a cold.
          It’ll be Covid this, Safety Plan that, Hazard Identification something else, no employee responsibility and all the employers fault.
          Businesses will find themselves in court (remember the beekeepers?) and there’ll be eye watering penalties imposed.
          And is any of it about safety?
          Nah.

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  5. The mindless masses show no sign of understanding what their lockdown has done. They seem to imagine things will be a bit quiet for a while and it will all come right next year. It’s hard to be polite about this level of willful ignorance.

    This is reality:

    1. We are now on the economic level of a “developing” country.

    2. We are ruled by a totalitarian socialist.

    3. We have mindboggling debt combined with mass unemployment and destruction of entire industries.

    4. The Party is literally printing money to hand out.

    5. We have a divided and fractured population that delights in snitching on each to Party enforcers.

    We are a failed socialist state.

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      • Their is a photo of a bat doing its round on social media holding it’s hard dick with the message this is what fucked the world. Have you seen it if not send your email and I will post it.

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      • Ask Socialist Cindy, she know exactly what she is doing for all us lovely people. She even has the children of the nation joining in with home video TV messages on how they support our essential workers and for everyone watching tele “to be kind”. // 😕

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          • Socialist Cindy hasn’t finished setting her evil plan in place yet. Some of us know she and her crew of incompetents ultimately won’t be successful but she sure is going to send Kiwis to hell and back before we take our country back…

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            • Just keep an eye out for ‘plant’ stories appearing in the Media about it might be necessary to postpone the election until a more ‘appropriate’ time.

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              • No way the election will be postponed.

                The media has been bailed out $50m with more to come.
                Bugger the Nobel, the media is talking sainthood for Jacinderella now.
                The civil service has just had four weeks holiday on full pay – in beautiful weather.
                There will be a helicopter payout to all and sundry much nearer September.
                Benes have just had a pay rise.
                Pensioners have had their winter energy payment doubled.
                You gotta pay rise if you still have a minimum wage job.
                No questions asked to qualify for the dole queue.
                Plenty of struggling families have just been given laptops and internet for their kids to play on.

                These things all benefit people who aren’t known for joining the dots. And there are plenty of them. (People and dots)

                Why would they want to delay the election?

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                • I agree, if we are going to have an election, they will want the election as soon as possible, before the fairy dust wearsmoff and the bill comes in. Not to sure about the election after this one though.
                  I don’t think that the situation at present allows cancellation of the election completely yet. They need to tighten the grip first and control any wayward elements of the media and finish Stasi- fying the police

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                • I could not disagree more. I want see a National led government. I doubt that will happened if it is held on 23 Sept whether Simon stays or is rolled.

                  The full effects of the economy can be patched over with bribes. Those bribes cannot last till early 2021 or maybe 5 Dec. They will simply run out of money. The unemployment rate will rise substantially by December and keep on rising. People who a mortgage holiday and do not have a job will lose their homes. NZ’s credit rating will drop.

                  The other issue is there must be public electorate debates. I know they are a lot about the candidates but they are also about the candidate’s party’s policies.

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                    • You did.
                      No one lost an eye.
                      And even so, contrary opinions are allowed here – even if they’re wrong!
                      LOL

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                  • Chuck
                    ” I could not disagree more. I want see a National led government. I doubt that will happened if it is held on 23 Sept whether Simon stays or is rolled. ”

                    Simon will be too late if it is the 23rd. The election is set for 19 September Chuck. I’d expect a highly motivated National man such as yourself would at least get the correct date! That’s 2 days in a row you’ve said the 23rd. 😂

                    “The 2020 New Zealand general election will be held after the currently elected 52nd New Zealand Parliament is dissolved or expires. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced the election date as Saturday 19 September 2020.Wikipedia”

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        • Key openly said we were socialist. He did a good job of keeping capitalism ticking along well enough to try and pay for it.

          Scandinavian countries are a great example of how capitalism is needed to finance socialist fantasies. They use industry, business and oil drilling to pay for it.

          All these things Ardern opposes. She even opposes farming. Making her to the left of Pol Pot.

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      • Oh yes indeed. The horrors of the past 5 weeks are just the kickoff.

        Ardern and her media shills will do all they can to get her across the line at election time. The real hurt will begin next year.

        We are a failed state. It just hasn’t had time to become obvious to the masses.

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    • Kea
      One thing wrong with your great summation. It’s when you think people expect things to be quiet for a while things will come right next year. I really think most think it will come right next month (after we get to near normal) , some might next think a couple of months but certainly things will be roaring by Xmas.

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        • Not an attempt to get a bite at all. I genuinely think most people think the light switch was flicked off for a while and when it is flicked on again all will be fine. They have not got a clue what is happening economically and more importantly what is going to happen. It is not just in NZ either — comments on an Aussie blog I read suggest the same thing over there.

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          • I think you are right Ross. I saw some libtard spitting back at someone making the point that the economy is rooted – the libtard twat’s comment was “Idiots talking about saving the economy – what for like 2066?”.

            And I thought that perfectly encapsulated what the idiotic millenials are thinking – they think this is something that isn’t going to affect them until retirement in 45 years time.

            The sheeple don’t get that shit is going to get real straight away! 15% unemployment is fucking brutal, there will be massive impacts. A 20% GDP hit because fucking lyin’ Cindy wants to close the borders to eliminate (ie “not really eliminate, when I say eliminate I mean ‘zero tolerance’ but I can’t say that because it makes me sound like Adolf Hitler, so I say eliminate because all the sheeple thinks it makes me seem leaderful”) a cold that will mutate all by itself multiple times and still be here after we’ve been fully Venezualised into a communist hell-hole.

            Pain is coming and the good times we’ve enjoyed since the 80s are coming to an end – the GFC is going to look like a hiccup compared to what’s coming.

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      • I think that as well Ross12, I think most Liebr supporters live in the moment, and after all their generation deserve it. (only the good things of course) They are in for a hell of a shock I am not sure if they know what the hell they have done, and if they did it is doubtful, You would have to be crazy to wish to win the election after this total balls up. It will be a very difficult 9 years at least trying to get things back in some type of financial balance after this fuck up.

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    • Kea, Sir. ( 7.59am)
      I, by and large, agree with your analysis

      On point 1. Not quite. The rest, yes.
      A developing country generally has a population skewed to the younger age group.
      They are more flexible and ready to adapt.
      NZ is not.
      The median age is 37
      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nz.html
      Compare to Samoa as an example. Median age 25.
      Developing countries do not have locked in social welfare and expensive pay-as-you-go superannuation. They are much more flexible. A 3% drop in GDP (what is that? asks ArDoom) for a developed country has a significant ripple/multiplier effect.

      Social welfare is a huge millstone that will cause nervous governments to borrow more and more.
      Ruth Richardson tried to reduce it in 1990/91 and we saw the reaction. MOAB.

      There will be a massive drop in Govt tax revenue by at least 15%
      Possibly 25%. Last year 12 months to June 2019 tax Govt income (mainly tax take) just over $90 Billion
      But Govt takes on massive debt. HUGE Debt.

      Govt backs 80% of Trading bank loans to private enterprise.
      Some will fall over.
      Not because of poor management but because people (customers) stop spending- they lost their jobs.
      Tourism is at 14% of economy and over 80% of employees no longer employed – so that is 11% lost PAYE revenue. People with skills that are not very transferable outside tourism projects.

      Lots of people in last 10+ years did Tertiary courses in tourism (a big con IMHO; 40 years ago you did not need to go to Uni for 3 years to learn to strap a person in a harness all day; then drink until 2am in a bar)
      A lot of these people have student debt- in not very well paying jobs. Income will drop to levels they stop paying back debt. Less govt revenue (cash flow).
      The loss in tourism may be tempered a bit by however many were workers from overseas doing OE that have returned home.

      Lots of food and beverage outlets will go under. They have a high failure rate anyway.
      People will hold onto cars longer. More on repairs, less on new sales.
      People will out off that new mountain bike (not Dr Clark thought) or new deck.
      All round multiplier effect- Less spending is less GST take for Govt coffers.

      Company tax take will be well down for 31 03 2021 year.
      Most of 31 03 2020 will be intact.
      31 03 2022 company tax take will be grim and companies will have tax loss carry forward to delay tax payments for years – if they survive.
      Those with a 30 June balance date – mainly larger companies – will feel the effects in the current financial year and this will reverberate forward.
      The allowance to back calculate the last 3 years tax will make a wee difference but, overall, the future is what it is about.
      The Brighter Future John Key talked about has become very dull.

      Govt Debt will keep on growing.
      I call $70 Billion new Govt debt by year end (31/12).
      Still growing in 2021.

      Now people might understand Rob Muldoon’s constant retort of ‘tighten your belts’
      We do not have the right to run up massive debt for future generations in order to maintain our standard of living today.
      Superannuation is pay as you go. Perhaps we should as well.
      The large inflation (possibly hyper) will dilute that debt.
      I think it was O-Sen the other day said Stagflation is likely to be back (1970’s phenomenon)

      This economic event will be like a car hitting a lamppost at 80 km/hr.
      The current loans (debt) are like airbags but when they deflate we will see the destruction around us.

      Speaking of airbags – not ArDoom – and cars:-
      16 people died on the roads in Easter weekend 1989.
      We did not cancel Easter. We did not kill christmas or Anzac or Qs Birthday.
      We just worked at being better (bedder – for Labour folk) and this number has not been seen since.
      https://www.transport.govt.nz/mot-resources/road-safety-resources/road-deaths/holiday-road-deaths-easter/

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        • The summary is >
          Govt balancing the books bids goodnight.
          -Govt income down on all three fronts (GST, Personal income tax; Company Tax)
          -Expenses up – way more benefits plus job substitution roles
          -Debt way up with servicing cost
          It is going to be bad; really bad.

          You have to ask if Notional would even want to take that on.
          With the Jacindamaniacs still thinking she is doing an absolutely fabulous job, imagine the crap the Nats would get if they have the Treasury benches from later this year. Blame would be immediately transferred to Nats.

          ..And WG stop picking on Chuck.
          He is close to being an octogenarian.

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  6. I want to ask a question about why the Government are not prepared to except that winter is just about apon us and what happens if the Coronavirus starts to rare it’s ugly head again.
    Like most viruses Coronavirus seems to appreciate winter and the cold, so seeing most Countries in the Northern hemisphere struggle to retain it and the deaths that have occurred what’s stopping it reaking havoc again in our winter in New Zealand.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12327690
    Jacinda isn’t God even if many think she is capable of the impossible Winter can bring death and distress to many without warning.

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    • Winter will see all flus spread.

      Inspite of being a tiny isolated island nation and the Wu Hu Flu coming in summer – our per capita infection rate is very high. Way more so than countries that did not destroy their economies.

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  7. If anyone has forgotten today is a public holiday as Anzac day fell over a weekend. Enjoy your public holiday fellow travellers. 😎

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    • Don’t be silly. How can you have a holiday to do nothing when you have done nothing for the past 5 weeks.

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      • Banned two years in a row now. She will have her sycophants thinking up a reason to ban it next year as well.
        It will not have to be a good reason. Anything will do. Like an early snowfall perhaps.

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        • Good point. Funny how all these unexpected events align perfectly with the dear leaders pre existing wish list of totalitarianism.

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    • I went to the supermarket this morning there was no queue and few shoppers in the store. I only needed milk and bread so was only inside for about five minutes.

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  8. A brilliant idea, it’s my own original thought

    I have had an inspirational idea, now the most extreme left wing government NZ has ever seen has more or less taken control of the media through the $50 million bribe – why don’t we roll all the news outlets into one single unified agency (think of the efficiency and the reduction in confusing information given out to the stupid sheeple) oh and by the way I believe it would be a good idea if we called this new super-efficient, totally independent, truth-telling voice of the government something fresh, something new, something inspirational that encapsulates the new world order.

    I believe we should call this news agency – Pravda.

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    • I agree.
      100 years ago there were only newspapers. They were powerful.
      Then along came radio so that diluted the newspaper influence.
      Then came Television that split the Gnews market in 3 segments.

      We do not need all 3 media in our lives. Some need to hit the wall.
      I barely consume any of the local ‘content’
      It is amateur and dishonest.
      The appalling, cringing, uninformative rubbish spewed out in the two big NZ events last year – White Is and The Tarrant shooting -says euthanasia is a good idea.
      Paying to keep this trash alive at taxpayer expense is abusive to us.

      Now with Netflix, TV has little place and is filled with junk ‘reality tv’ moronic nonsense.
      TV3 is 100% owned from overseas by Oaktree Capital Management which is a USD 120 Billion Fund.
      That is double the NZ Govt total tax revenue for last year.
      Why is the NZ taxpayer bailing them out?
      We have our own challenges right now without subsidising them.

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      • As long as a media outlet is not receiving taxpayer funding, they are able to do so. Stand on their own merit.

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        • TVNZ is so useless and casual with other people’s money they stopped paying a dividend back to Govt last year.
          None of them can stand on their own feet except Mediaworks radio stations which cross subsidises the loss making TV3.
          TV3 should be let to fail. It adds zero value. Propped up by taxpayer/NZ on air to fund Golriz’s toyboy and other non comedians like no talent dwarf Henwood. It fills in with ‘reality crap’ and US cop shows. It has not turned a profit in half a decade and has limped for over 10 years.
          It needs to be euthanised.

          The AU Nine News-owned Stuff is a joke.
          They have the begging bowl out- Oliver style.
          ‘Please sir, can Oi have some more.’

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  9. Question: Tonight we officially end Level 4 lockdown, so does that mean an end to the 20% reduction in pay for Cabinet?

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    • They can have 20% back for those days that Parliament actually sits. That might encourage them to be answerable to the people a little more.

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    • Appropos Dr. Fauci

      Can anyone please tell me how, despite his very – evident ties to the Dems, Obama, Gates etc., he came to be the current President’s ‘Expert’ on this matter?

      Thank you.

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      • Komata
        I think it a case of what we call a public servant , being very difficult to get rid of. He is not a political appointment.

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  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXnx0R3qpww
    Levin: MSM Proves Yet AGAIN They’re No Friend to Hardworking Americans

    Mark Levin says the coronavirus is just another opportunity for the MSM to expose THEMSELVES by supporting China, illegal aliens, and the political elite. They ARE the enemy of the people!

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  11. Loads of amusing Cartoons and Memes being shared on NZ Social Media about Kim Jong Un.
    The great irony being that we tolerate a leader who is just as Megalomaniac.
    Have a look at what our own ‘Mad Queen’ has done to NZ in the three years since she was crowned by Winston! We are effectively a third world shithole now- and our Media are almost too terrified to report anything negative about her..
    Think glossy magazine covers, Think framed pictures on School walls, Think children ‘impromptu’ breaking into song when she walks past, Think Whales mystically appearing in Wellington Harbour to supposedly celebrate her baby’s birth (The list goes on and on…)
    Honestly- The PR stunts that Labour Spin gets away with are just as crazy as anything that goes on in North Korea!

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    • Capricorn one ,The 15 billion dollars we will have spent by the end of may will have us coming up with new recipes on the preparation and cooking of grass ,bark, and insects as they do in North Korea because we will have a debt mountain that will crush us all.

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      • Not looking forward to eating insects again (tried it once on holiday)
        The family are not going to enjoy that one bit!
        Esp while Deborah Russell and fellow Labour MPs sip chardonnay and tells us that it is all our fault…

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      • I don’t know why you worry about all this debt.
        Quantative easing is never, ever paid back. It is just a paper transaction on the books forever.
        The money came from nowhere, it went to the trading banks to be lent for production of goods and services.
        Japan has debt in the trillions (234% of their GDP) https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt/
        So I don’t care where the govt gets this money from. The problem is what they use this money for.

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        • If it doesn’t matter where the debt comes from why should we worry how Robbo spends it? That’ll just encourage them. Fire up those printing presses Robbo, spend, spend, spend away. // 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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        • ED ,it’s gotta be paid back by someone?? if the banks lent it it’s gotta be paid back unless the business goes bankrupt in which case the workers join the unemployed and more Q E is required to look after them and lend to other businesses, whats going to happen when the dog actually catches the hubcap or rips its tail off ?

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          • The Govt guarantees 80% of the loan made by the trading banks under current circumstances.
            Some whiny bastards want it to be 100%
            Where does the Govt get its money from– the bank of you n me, that is who!

            The Govt guaranteed banks and finances companies in 2008 (Labour, 3 weeks before the election)
            South Canterbury Finance went all out and lent money out to completely shit ideas.
            They had already backed some shit ideas.
            We dont need that again.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Retail_Deposit_Guarantee_Scheme

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          • No it’s not ever paid back. The money given to the banks came from nowhere so it will go nowhere. It’s all a bookkeeping line. Why worry, no one will have the balls to actually repay the debt created by someone else. Why would they?
            The first ever QE was back in the 1600’s when they created the Bank of England with 1500 pounds. That sum of money has never ever been repaid.

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    • Pah! Whales in the harbour.
      The day I was born there was the largest earthquake ever recorded!
      Interpret that how you will.

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  12. I see the rat Peters is up to his election year tricks ,he’s getting tough on China and collaborating with the Aussie Pm to demand a full open investigation into the filthy CCPs handling of the China virus.
    Get ready folks the drunken dwarf is polishing his dog whistle and will be blowing it at every poor immigrant for the next 5 months until the POS slips back into parliament and endorses horse features for the next three years of the destruction of our country.
    Will he be cheeky enough to promise only 10K immigrants from 2021 on as the lying little C- – – T did the last time he had his whistle out ? surely there aren’t enough morons in this country to give the maggot 5% again.

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    • Can New Zealand sustain its population without immigration infusions? Maybe not. The current fertility rate for New Zealand in 2020 is 1.879 births per woman, a 0.53% decline from 2019. Ref: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/fertility-rate

      A birthrate of around 2.1 is necessary for a country to maintain its population. Mexico and Turkey have a birthrate of 2.1, but all the first-world nations are reproducing at a lower rate. For example, South Korea (1.0), Japan (1.4), China/UK/USA (all 1.7).

      In addition, as newly-minted “Kiwis” get their NZ passports, their window to Australia and beyond opens.

      The Greens always go on about “sustainability” but does that include the population of humans in this country?

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    • Capricorn , took a screenshot of that horrific 2nd photo and am posting it all over the web ,anyone who says she isn’t a horsey faced person should look at that article before it’s gone .

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      • She turns 40 in a few weeks.
        Can she still claim to be ‘Youth Adjacent’ like she did when she was 37 (*chuckle)?
        Nothing sadder than a 40 year old ‘DJ’ trying to pretend they are hip and cool…

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    • “Estimates of eventual unemployment vary wildly – between 8 per cent and 30 per cent – with few predictions at the lower end of the scale. ANZ this week estimated a 15 per cent drop in house prices. Tourism, some 10 per cent of the economy, is dead with agriculture left as New Zealand’s sole export breadwinner.”

      Just wait for these predictions to come to pass. You will hear all the luvvies screaming at Cindy from their having to endure their mortgagee sales and repo of cars, boats and all their other stuff on tick. And the humiliation of not being able to get their lattes at the upmarket coffee shop down the road.
      Lets see then how her call to “BE KIND” is taken notice of.

      It is not going to be pretty. This could be why she is sticking to the early election date.

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      • Reckon all these white girls should try a lot harder. We need a a lot more. More baby incentive. cut out the incentive to work and make the incentive to have babies. If they need help!!!!Bit of cash in hand will be handy for some bargin buys.

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    • Thanks Cap, good to see something more realistic that acknowledges the elephant in the room.

      Also on that page another article about the homeless being put up in the motels.

      What I didn’t know though was that 1200 of these motel rooms are to be kept on stream until April 2021……

      https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-dont-want-to-lose-those-gains-lockdown-has-helped-tackle-homelessness-in-nz-megan-woods/ar-BB13cyCO?ocid=mailsignout

      So myself, and all other nett tax payers are paying for this out until then?!!

      Fuck me!

      No not you Cindy, you’ve had your turn…..

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      • April 2020 gives the homeless a roof over their heads during the election. Off the street and out of sight of voters. Labour may even manage to sign up some of the “homeless” to to tick the Labour vote while they have them where they want them.

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        • It’s been going wrong for quite some time. One good thing to come out of this is we’re no longer exposing international tourists to our feral underbelly. Goodness knows what sort of horror tales some have returned home with.

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  13. New Zealand may have dodged the Covid-19 bullet, but in doing so she has stepped on an economic landmine.

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  14. A bin man (garbage man) is doing his rounds in the posh area of town. He can’t find one house’s wheely bin, so he rings the doorbell, and a well-dressed lady answers.
    “Where’s yer bin?” he asks
    “Oh, thank you for noticing, we’ve just got back from the Algarve,” says the lady, stroking her tan.
    “No, where’s yer wheely bin?”
    “OK, fine, I’ve been using the sunbed,” she scolds, and slams the door.

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    • I have proof that Cindy reads YSB before she does her covid-19 briefing.
      Today after I put up the joke above, I herd her say in her briefing talking about the use of the new apps.
      “You need to record where you bin and who you bin with”, she said.
      She meant to say “where you wheely bin!”

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  15. The other day someone commented that the death rate in New York was so high in comparison with that in Tokyo. Part of this could be New York government’s insistance that rest homes take on people recovering from the coronovirus.

    “On March 25, New York became the first state to issue a blanket rule prohibiting nursing homes from denying admission or readmission to residents because they are infected with COVID-19, and banned the facilities from testing patients for the disease before they are admitted.” Ref: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-spreads-new-york-nursing-home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811

    What could possibly go wrong?

    I think Japan has more respect for its elderly than do the New Yorkers.

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  16. NEW ZEALAND’S DEMOCRATIC VACUUM
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    By Dr Muriel Newman

    The Government’s state of emergency has created a dangerous political vacuum. Decisions that profoundly affect everyone’s lives are being undertaken in an autocratic fashion without any attempt at democratic involvement.

    Even the typically reserved Law Society has raised concerns about the lack of transparency and consultation associated with the lockdown: “As far as possible, there should be an ongoing attempt to replicate the normal policy and law-making process… People affected should be consulted where feasible. Decisions that affect peoples’ rights should be reviewable in some way.”

    As a consequence of the democratic vacuum created by the suspension of our civil liberties and Parliament, New Zealanders have little awareness of the profound implications of the political decision made by our Prime Minister to eliminate COVID-19 from New Zealand.

    https://www.nzcpr.com/new-zealands-democratic-vacuum/

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    • As usual , a fantastic review of the issues by Dr Muriel Newman. NZ could do with a lot more people of her ability.

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      • Founding member of ACT and a great loss to the party when she decided to quit politics. Same with Rodney Hide in my opinion.

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  17. Odakyu-sen. New york is run by a Mayor and a Governor that are equally cretinous, De Blasio makes Goff look like a mensa highflier and Cuomo is a barely literate lizard man.

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    • Cut-and-paste from https://www.businessinsider.com/nursing-home-given-body-bags-when-they-accepted-coronavirus-patients-2020-4?r=AU&IR=T

      – An executive at an unnamed Queens, New York nursing home told the New York Post on Thursday how officials sent them body bags when they were forced to admit coronavirus patients last month.

      – Thirty residents at the previously virus-free facility went on to die from the disease.

      – It’s the latest in a series of concerning incidents to happen in the city during the outbreak, including hospitals leaving bodies out on the street and patients across the city dying at home.

      Such behavior by local government officials is unconscionable. I would be lawyering up if I had lost a parent to this kind of recklessness.

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    • Since cutting back from a new poll every day I’ve been forgetting to go to HYSP. Send suggestions of polling to Ed, I think he has run out of ideas? 😕

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  18. Received an email claiming that while we are in democratic limbo the CoL are going to ram through some of their more controversial legislation.
    In particular the second tranche of gun law ?

    They could not be that cynical, could they—- could they?

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  19. I see on stuffed that the taranaki maori are starting roadblocks on the roads into taranaki tomorrow!
    Police have some guidelines apparently!
    Put biggest, darkest, and put them in gang colours and stand in the middle of the road!

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    • Bastion Point has been closed, and the Maori King has placed a rahui on the Waikato River. FFS what is that supposed to achieve?

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      • The private road to the marae on Baston Point is closed, but I have cycled over the grass at the Point, down towards the Michael Joseph Savage Memorial (the access roads are all chained off to cars). No presence that I can see.

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      • Our local Iwi road block had been stood down until all the ‘manaakitangata warriors’ had been tested. It was then reinstated for a few days and then removed on ANZAC day. Local Facebook advised that it had been removed on instruction from the Police.

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    • Yes, that would be effective.

      The first step in creating a nation is to define and secure your borders. Everything else flows from that act.

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    • Jepradise, bin ….. for Christ’s sake someone teach Ardern how to speak the Queens English.

      She is so embarrassing.

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      • And Cindy is answering medical questions while her DG of Health stands around waiting for her to finish pontificating. Wow, talk about no self-awareness. 🙄

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      • I just heard that one of the ‘reporters’ asked Bloomers if it’s OK to drink bleach.

        FFS

        Kindy level ‘journalism’

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        • of course it’s ok to drink bleach.
          I used to dose the water tank about a quarter cup to a 35000l tank about twice a year.
          We’re supposed to keep bleach in our Civil Defence Emergency kits for water treatment.
          And obviously the reporter who asked that stupid question hasn’t noticed his/her/it’s tap water reeking of chlorine.
          Doh.

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          • It was Tova O’Brien who asked Cindy to “make an announcement that it isn’t safe to drink bleach” The DG of Health tried to take the question but ‘expert’ Ardern jumped in and said she “wasn’t aware of anyone doing that”.

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    • I’m genuinely amazed that someone in a truck or a ute with bullbars hastn’t simply driven into one of these illegal roadblocks and killed a few of their ‘border guards’.

      Seriously. I’m not joking. Are we so cowed and cucked that we are afraid of these arseholes?

      If these arrogant separatist cunts want a war, why don’t new Zealanders just let them have one and stop mucking around?

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  20. What would you do if the State makes it compulsory for you to have a tracking app on your Smartphone? (A temporary measure for your safety, you understand.)

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    • That’s never going to happen. I would dig out my first phone and say its got no apps.
      It would be better that the ones diagnosed with the symptoms and All visitors into our country have the app on thieir phones. They are the ones who need to be traced.

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    • Yup this is what’s coming – surveillance state. Complimented by a vaccine that microchips us like dogs and cats.

      How the fuck did we fall so far so fast?

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  21. Who would have guessed that canned sardines on feijoa and coconut bread was edible fodder?

    (Hubby thought his sandwich was cake).

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    • No. That would work.
      I would recommend Norwegian King Oscar sardines rather than Brunswick’s awful 3-fish-to-a-tin cardboard ones.

      Good sardines + fejoa + coconut bread could be a thing!

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      • Alas, I only had Brunswick’s in the cupboard..

        Anyway, It’s not an experiment that is going to be repeated…

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        • Here’s a sardine review (King Oscar).
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIVtZlOliM

          King Oscars in New Zealand cost twice as much as Brunswick sardines, but are far superior. Oscars are small, tender and flavorful, unlike the Brunswick ones that are large, tasteless and cardboardy (and with crunchy bones).

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          • We had a tin last week. We weren’t impressed. Maybe some raw onion will improve the other tin of King Oscar sardines we have in the pantry. Or maybe Maggy’s husband has worked out the secret, eat them on some coconut and feijoa bread! 👍

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              • Does anyone here have a deba knife? Debas are thick, stout knives traditionally used in Japan for filleting fish. There’s one in the video I linked to above.

                If you don’t know what a deba knife is, you will find plenty of information about them on YouTube. I think the Americans appreciate them already, but they are largely unknown in NZ.

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        • Maggy..
          I had you figured for a feijoa and ginger chutney type of gal and like O…sen I reckon that combination would work.

          O…sen
          The day before the lockdown my son caught a nice size yellowfin. It was immediately bled and put on sea ice when caught, and man the sashimi from it was amazing.

          I’ve been up to Nuie twice when the sardines have been running…(wrong time of year to go there if you are wanting to swim or dive as they are prohibited during the run) You fish from the rocks with a bit of nylon tied to a stick and a size 32 hook baited with a bit of unripened coconut flesh. The same coconut flesh is chewed up and spat into the water as burly. The sardines are eaten raw off the bone after a light soak in lime juice and coconut milk…beats any canned stuff.

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      • Much prefer Canadian sardines vs packed for Woolworths Australia in Thailand from multiple origins .
        Enjoy

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  22. Whatever you’re doing as you read this comment, stop right now.

    Look around you. You might be inside your home or out on your section. Maybe you’re walking. Whatever… look around you now.

    Almost everything that you see right now, from the coffee table, the carpet, the furniture and appliances to the roads, power lines, cars, parks and pavements has been created by human progress and people working together.

    The capacity to build and maintain all this has now completely been destroyed. In the space of a few months, a global civilisation has been brought to its knees by stupidity and fear.

    It’s like a surreal movie. Almost everything that all governments have done is either completely wrong, or has resulted in having the totally opposite effect.

    There are hundreds of illustrations of this, but for brevity I’ll give just a few:

    – In almost every human crisis, the natural and productive response is to come together. But today we are now being literally forced apart (in ‘bubbles’ FFS) and atomised as a society.

    – When faced with an infectious disease, humans have always quarantined the sick. Now, however, we are instead quarantining the well. A total 180° reversal of everything we have ever known.

    – We are constantly being told that there’s a ‘health crisis’… but our hospitals are almost empty, medical staff are being laid off, elective surgery has been cancelled and all ancillary medical practices (GPs, physios, dentists etc,) are either totally closed or only operating in a ‘ virtual environment’. Like living in a medical video game. A video game without patients.

    There are many more examples of this insane state that we have created for ourselves over a slight illness which is less lethal (although slightly more transmissible) than the flu.

    Do we really expect the world to just pick up our ruined civilisation and carry on as normal within our lifetimes?

    Look around you once again and ask yourself ‘where to from here?’

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    • And a PTPM with only experience in a fish and chip shop is answering medical procedural questions when the DG of Health is standing next to her. The country has been turned on its head. 🤥

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      • Her ego is out of control.
        Hitler refused to take advice from his Generals toward the end as well…

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      • Yes.. but it’s not just Ardern. Almost every single government and every single world ‘leader’ has bought into this crazy madness. Its a psychotic panic which seems to have gripped the whole world.

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    • Thanks Ross, great article. So well pieced together.

      Gates and ID2020 popping up everywhere now.

      How long till the sheeple remove the wool from their eyes?

      When will we rise……

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      • Cheers Ross.
        I’ve been trying to access CDC studies done on Flu Vaccines that were done in the early to mid 2000’s.
        No surprises once I got close they were scrubbed, an official update of the site states they are no longer available.
        Nevertheless, I was able to gain what adjuncts (a thing added to something else as a supplementary rather than an essential part.) are present in the flu vaccine.
        1. Formaldehyde:
        Aside from ALS risk or other nervous system consequences, formaldehyde is a respiratory irritant that causes chest pain, shortness of breath, coughing, and nose and throat irritation, according to the ATSDR. It can also cause cancer, and has been linked to an increased risk of asthma and allergies in kids.Jul 27, 2015
        2. Thiomersal:
        Thiomersal (INN), or thimerosal (USAN, JAN), is an organomercury compound. This compound is a well-established antiseptic and antifungal agent.
        The pharmaceutical corporation Eli Lilly and Company gave thiomersal the trade name Merthiolate. It has been used as a preservative in vaccines, immunoglobulin preparations, skin test antigens, antivenins, ophthalmic and nasal products, and tattoo inks.[4] In spite of the scientific consensus that such fears are unsubstantiated,[5][6][7][8] its use as a vaccine preservative was controversial, and it was phased out from routine childhood vaccines in the European Union, and a few other countries in response to popular fears.
        The woman making requests for info in this link had her links quashed.
        https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/thimerosal-neurotoxin-injected-infants.
        Elemental liquid mercury as the pure metal is surprisingly non toxic except by inhalation which can cause severe neurological symptoms but is generally non lethal.
        Inorganic, ionic forms of mercury tend to cause gastrointestinal damage but don’t cross the blood brain barrier.
        Organic mercury compounds are quite toxic as they tend to diffuse through the body and are easily absorbed through the skin, notably methyl mercury and dimethyl mercury are the most dangerous as they form conjugates with cysteine that mimic another amino acid methionine, which is then actively distributed through the body and into the brain.
        https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_organic_mercury_a_more_toxic_that_metallic_and_ionic_mercury
        3. EDTA
        Side effects.
        https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1032/edta

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        • BN….
          I saw a meme the other day that listed those same things that make up a standard injection (wished now that I had saved it)….and here were the wanketariat going on about the Donald asking whether disinfectant could be injected into the body.

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  23. It looks as though Trump believes Lil Kim is ok….. for now. He never said I hope he gets better.
    The unofficial narrative is that he is in hiding, this would explain the Chinese rushing to his aid.
    They want him.
    You remember Trump was the first President to cross the the DMZ into North Korea. This scuttled the Chinese plans to use North Korea as a psuedo menace / threat in the China Sea.
    Don’t be surprised if Gang nam style makes a comeback.

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  24. On a lighter note, I’m just back inside after a game of hide n seek with one of our Peking ducks.

    Complete waste of time.

    Cheating prick

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  25. Here is the news report on the NZ wide tracing app the CoL propose we all put on our phones.
    My question is the “QR access code” placed on doorways to be accessed via smartphone. What happens if you don’t have/or choose not to use your phone to gain access. Are you simply left out in the cold and the rain? No details were given during the explanation given from the 20 something reporting…

    Covid-19 contact tracing app will be available within a fortnight, says Ministry of Health

    The Ministry of Health has confirmed to 1 NEWS a voluntary contact tracing app will be available in the next fortnight.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-contact-tracing-app-available-within-fortnight-says-ministry-health?auto=6152125636001

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    • Massive implications for loss of privacy?

      Where is that useless piece of shit John Edwards when there is something of real moment happening that affects nationwide privacy?

      Another useless paid political commissar – policing the trivia and turning a blind eye to mass crimes.

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  26. Can a climate alarmist explain for me why the daily CO2 level at Baring Head (as shown on Stuff’s environment ticker) is now at 410.6 – for weeks it has been around 408.8. Surely with all the horrid emissions shut down, CO2 levels should have bottomed out??

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    • I’m not an alarmist… but I can explain….For the Northern Hemisphere:
      CO2 levels rise and fall seasonally… in tune with Northern Hemisphere forest Photosynthesis and forest floor decomposition…
      Maximum levels occur in April and May…just before N.Hemisphere forests move into active growth … In winter, plants aren’t actively growing (not absorbing much CO2), but as the ground begins to warm up, leaf litter and twigs/branches start decomposing/ rotting…and there is maximum release of CO2 from forests and grasslands.

      For Baring Head it was noted that the seasonal maximum occurred in October and the Minimum in April…. (so a similar story to the
      Northern Hemisphere… Co2 level climbs through winter and reaches maximum at start of spring and declines as plants (and algae) begin active growth).
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1979.tb00882.x
      So You would have expected April’s reading to be low – for seasonal reasons. (let alone fewer cars/planes travelling……. although these contributions are probably miniscule at Baring Head)

      When you look at the monthly values of CO2 at Baring Head, you will notice differences of around 0.2 -0.6ppm… nothing as large as
      1.8ppm from one month to another.

      https://data.mfe.govt.nz/table/52568-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-at-baring-head-19722013/

      So, in conclusion:….I reckon Stuff have just stuffed up what they are presenting.

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  27. Frau Gefängnisverwalter Ardern has mooted G codes via an app on a smartphone to trace dissidents, critics & carriers of Chinese flu.

    Can someone who knows about these things explain the practicalities to this poorly educated, retired agricultural worker? Thanks.

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    • How many have died of pneumonia alone without testing positive for corona?
      How many have died from respiratory illness alone without testing positive?
      How many have died from other flu related illness without testing positive?

      How many people died of Corona over and above the NORMAL death rate for all of the above causes?

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      • You may as well ask how many have died from drinking corona. The answer might be higher than from any other form of Corona.

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        • Speaking of Corona, Pac n’ Sav in Glen Innes is charging $26.50 for a dozen, which is more than I remember it being a couple of months ago.
          Has anyone noticed (despite falling fuel costs) that supermarket items are more expensive?

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          • Yes – the Strines are fleecing us with glee. Once the butchers and liquor outlets etc all reopen I’m going to make a point of only buying loss leaders from the supermarket chains.

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          • She who must be obeyed did some shopping a day or so back. Came home complaining about the rise in prices and particularly meat prices. Now she knows these things so if she is complaining there is a reason. Big increases as well.

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  28. I’m speechless.

    We now have the hasbeen American feminist Whoopi Goldberg praising the commie chick for being a voice of reason who has taken decisive action… my arse !!!

    Ardern would not know an original idea if it bit her on her skinny arse.

    When will this shite end !!!!

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      • It already has ended badly for us.
        The Communist Ardern crashing our economy and sending us to the third world is exactly what we feared when Winston appointed her…

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          • Deputy Prime Minister
            Minister of Foreign Affairs
            Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control
            Minister for State Owned Enterprises
            Minister for Racing

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    • Especially when they allow commercial airlines to to do so? It’s because the erasing of our past is beginning. It’s the only way Frau Pferdegesicht can enact her glorious vision.

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      • It smells of H Clark, the defacto PT/PM. H2 will be loitering in the background also.
        Speaking of scum..has Cullen dropped yet?

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  29. I just learned today that a friend of one of my siblings, who is in the army, was issued a police uniform and sent out into the community to “police”. Now, admittedly this is second hand. I’m going to get more details. Has anyone else heard of anything like this?

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  30. UChicago Medicine doctors see ‘truly remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives to treat COVID-19

    Doctors at the University of Chicago Medicine are seeing “truly remarkable” results using high-flow nasal cannulas rather than ventilators and intubation to treat some COVID-19 patients.

    High-flow nasal cannulas, or HFNCs, are non-invasive nasal prongs that sit below the nostrils and blow large volumes of warm, humidified oxygen into the nose and lungs.

    https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/uchicago-medicine-doctors-see-truly-remarkable-success-using-ventilator-alternatives-to-treat-covid19

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  31. The Great Depression of 1929 -1933 hit NZ hard. At its peak no less than 80.000 people were unemployed. a figure which is no doubt well understated because it did not include women or Maori. In the event it mattered little as there was no relief in the form of Social Welfare payments.

    There was rioting in Wellington & Christchurch though Auckland saw the worst in Queen Street & Karangahape Road in April 1932. Predictably Government acted by passing the the Public Safety Conservation Act 1932, which allowed the government to assume virtually unlimited powers during a proclaimed state of emergency.

    This article http://riots1932.weebly.com/consequences.html gives a brief resume of what happened & its effects.

    “‘Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”

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    • You were a farmer, as I am. You will appreciate how hard my dad worked to earn money in the depression. He slashed gorse on farms by hand. Must have been a fit bugger. His dad had to walk off the farm, the bank called in the mortgage. Maybe that’s where we’re heading?

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      • It shaped a generation Gorse. People of my parent’s age were paranoid over getting into debt as a result of the depression. They remade clothes, walked instead of drove while they & their parents carried their frugality into their diet.

        As kids we couldn’t see what they were on about.

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        • Farmers and others found out what they were talking about in 1984. Plenty of farmers had to walk off their farms or find new ways of earning a crust.

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          • Those were the market conditions that enabled us to get onto the land WG.

            We were the only prospective buyers of the block.

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              • 1984,Yep sheep sent to the sale yards and the vendor getting a bill.
                Rogered ,we lost some of NZs best and most innovative young farmers.
                Macro economics huge interest rates and a grossly overvalued exchange rate.

                Those who have no regard for history are often condemned to repeat it

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    • “which allowed the government to assume virtually unlimited powers during a proclaimed state of emergency.”

      We are already in ‘State of Emergency’. The chilling prospect is that Jacinda could extend it indefinitely…(And I strongly suspect she will)

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    • The Great Depression of 1929 -1933. It lasted a couple of years.

      We’re into the start of the second month of lockdown. The fun has just begun. I will be very interested to see the economic data for the quarter to June 30, and even more interested in the data for the quarter to September 30, 2020.

      The next couple of months are going to be very interesting.

      Who was it who said “The time to buy real estate is when blood flows in the streets”?

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  32. ……“The time to buy real estate is when blood flows in the streets”……

    The caveat to that is ‘providing there still is & will be a government that upholds or even agrees with private property rights’.

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    • Come on, nasska. It couldn’t get that bad. Not even in the 1930s were things ever like that in NZ I am sure.

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      • In 1932 parliament was led by a coalition of the Reform Party and the United Party. (they eventually emerged to become the nascent National Party) They unashamedly represented the farmers & urban merchants respectively. The proletariat were begrudged salt on their porridge. These were the proponents of the Public Safety Conservation Act.

        They believed in absolute property rights. Can you see the wretched lot currently in power being over-bothered with defending them?

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    • Property rights, in NZ, Are you serious?
      RMA,,Environment plans ,Water use ,colour you may or may not paint your buildings ,officials access to property etc,etc.
      Gordon Copeland MP tried to get the right to own land put in the NZ Bill of Rights— no
      The few property rights left are still being eroded by a tsunami of regulations from local authorities and Central Government.
      Bloody depressing

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      • Not to mention Agenda21, now agenda30 I think, the UN needs 9 more years to implement apparently.

        It’s on their website, long read.

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  33. Let’s travel into the future several months in New Zealand. The economy is slipping deeper into recession. What are some of the changes we might see?

    – Two-thirds of the real estate offices will go out of business. If you go to Warkworth, you will see half a dozen real estate offices on the high street. Most of those will disappear. Maybe a Bayleys here and there.
    – Lots of empty shops on main street.
    – The light industrial and commercial districts of East Tamaki will be red with “For Lease” signs. You will drive past 10 commerical properties and barely half of them will have tenants.
    – Cafes and bars shut down
    – Lots of “For Sale” signs out in front of houses.
    – Great deals on late model European cars.
    – Lots of big boys’ toys for sale on Trade Me (big motorcycles, jet skis, boats, aircraft, etc.)
    – Luxury car dealers pruned back
    – Fine wine and other luxury outlets to scale back

    Also, the whole FOMO-driven property narrative of the media will turn 180 degrees. Whereas before there were headlines of “20-year-old builds property portfolio while working from home,” the new stories will be about families living out of cars after their houses are reposessed and sold (for less than the outstanding mortgage balance) leaving them with nothing. “Negative equity” will the phrase you will hear a lot.

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    • Onehunga was like that.

      1980- booming
      1990- literally half empty.

      Fair Assessment O-Sen
      And I suspect the people of Tokyo/Yokohama/Osaka in June 1987 did not see their world as it was laid out in June 1993.

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      • In the late 80s, Japan was going to buy out the world. Hollywood said so.
        Now in 2020, the Japanese malaise is in its 27th year. National debt is 234% of GDP (or some ungodly figure). The population is contracting at close to a million people per year.
        This is why I can be so cheerful in New Zealand.

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  34. ….“Negative equity” will the phrase you will hear a lot.”……..

    What of the parent’s who have put a hook on their own houses or contributed their savings to help their loinfruit get onto the property ladder.

    The path to electoral success has a few obstacles for the Labour Party.

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  35. Not sure if this was posted on here on Friday when it came out, so apologies if it has already been discussed.

    Twyford threatens councils not to reduce rates;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121250993/coronavirus-councils-warned-not-to-cut-rates-to-ease-covid19-pain

    This is pure socialism at its absolute finest.

    Drag everyone into the quagmire. All should be equally poor and beholden to the government tit.

    Makes my blood fucking boil, reading this pricks threats.

    Councils already do a piss poor job as it is, and they finally signal to look after their ratepayers, and this fucking knob end does this.

    Fuck you Twyford and fuck you Labour.

    And fuck all you Labour loving mongs. You’ll get what’s coming to you. You’ll get it fucking good, and you’ll get it fucking hard. Your beloved bitch will see to that.

    I can’t wait to see you get it too. I look forward to it. No lube for you dumb mongs.

    When will we fucking rise!!!

    Where is our ONE?

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    • In 2002 there was an incident where the boys at Taradale High School assaulted a fellow pupil with a broomstick up his butt.
      It was brutal and 7 ended in court.
      I dont approve of such behaviour.

      That will be nothing (figuratively) to what the sheeple are going to get
      And they are still smiling and clapping at ArDoom laying out their grim fate.
      The media filth are sure working hard for their bail outs.

      Twyford is a prime candidate for a hot date
      ..with Madame Guillotine

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  36. Coronavirus: New poll shows support for alert level 4 extension despite economic pain
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/04/coronavirus-new-poll-shows-support-for-alert-level-4-extension-despite-economic-pain.html

    Two-thirds of New Zealanders have judged that decision to be “about right”, with 22 percent saying it was too early and only 4 percent saying it was too late.

    And most people expect that to create serious, lasting economic damage. When we asked people what the economic impact of COVID-19 would be, 40 percent said they expected a prolonged recession of one to two years of negative economic growth.

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    • you say
      ‘When we asked people what the economic impact of COVID-19 would be, 40 percent said they expected a prolonged recession of one to two years of negative economic growth.’

      Most of them would not understand that.
      Sounds like typical TV3 bullshit.

      NZ has long slow recessions that last 4 or more years.
      AU has sharp brutal ones that last 9 to 24 months.
      None of those clowns would understand that.

      Who is advising them? the moron, Shabby shabby Eaquab.

      The last month has shown we have poor comprehension levels in NZ and what I have long believed- lazy thinkers.
      They let others do the ‘thinking’ then parrot it back. Repeating radio and TV mantras.
      That is why so many ‘think’ orange man bad (he started no wars) and Obummer great, fantastico (destroyed several sovereign nations)

      I give up.
      Can i buy a whiskey from tomorrow?

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        • ‘alcohol is deemed bad for us’

          I can second that
          It looks like a drunken sailor is ‘running’ our economy.

          Is Jethro on a Bender(lawnmowing) giving ‘advice’ to Ellie May

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    • The paddock gate is open, but the sheep are too scared to leave the comforting confinement of the lockdown.

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    • I am finding it hard to believe those poll results. I watched the video from Dr Erickson put up by Kea earlier and wonder how the poll results would shift if that video was disseminated without the dingbat questioners .
      I do not see the PM or her Ministers questioned as Dr Erickson was yet he continued to espouse his numbers and raised his points well.
      .

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