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Mcduff
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

You would think that perhaps calling it Community Opportunity to Purchase Act (COPA) could have been thought about a little more when resorting to using an acronym in reporting…Child Online Protection Act of 1998 (COPA)

Curious
Reply to  Mcduff
7 months ago

Look like it only applies to large rental properties and has already been passed in other cities. Doesn’t make it right though.

“The Community Opportunity to Purchase Act (COPA) is a policy designed to combat housing displacement and preserve affordability by giving qualified nonprofit organizations, such as community land trusts (CLTs) and affordable housing developers, a first opportunity to purchase multifamily residential buildings when landlords decide to sell. Modeled on successful legislation in Washington, D.C., and San Francisco, COPA aims to counteract speculative real estate practices that have led to the deregulation of over 150,000 affordable apartments in New York City between 1993 and 2018.

In San Francisco, COPA went into effect on September 3, 2019, and applies to buildings with three or more residential units, as well as vacant land zoned for such development. The law grants qualified nonprofits the right of first offer and/or right of first refusal to purchase a property when it is listed for sale. Landlords must notify tenants and the Mayor’s Office of Housing and Community Development (MOHCD) of their intent to sell, and nonprofits have a limited timeframe—typically 20 days after expressing interest—to assess feasibility, secure tenant support, and obtain financing. If a nonprofit makes a competitive offer, the landlord may only reject it after a formal review process, and if the offer matches a third-party buyer’s terms, the nonprofit can exercise its right of first refusal.
Since its implementation, San Francisco’s COPA has helped preserve at least 230 affordable housing units, with seventeen nonprofit developers successfully acquiring buildings through the program. The Mission Economic Development Agency (MEDA), a qualified nonprofit, has purchased seven buildings, preserving affordable housing and commercial space for BIPOC- and immigrant-owned businesses in the Mission District. The city also supports these efforts through the Small Sites Program, which provides financing to nonprofits for COPA acquisitions.
In New York City, the Community Opportunity to Purchase Act (Int. 902) is currently under consideration by the City Council, with over 32 co-sponsors and strong support from more than 120 community, tenant, and affordable housing organizations. The bill would require landlords to notify the NYC Department of Housing Preservation and Development (HPD) before selling multifamily buildings, allowing qualified nonprofits a 60-day window to express interest and a 120-day period to submit a competitive offer. As of November 2025, the bill had reached a veto-proof supermajority in the City Council, marking a significant milestone toward passage. Advocates argue that COPA would empower community-based nonprofits to interrupt speculative sales, stabilize neighborhoods, and expand permanently affordable, community-controlled housing.
COPA is often paired with Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act (TOPA) policies, which give tenants the right to collectively purchase their buildings, but COPA is particularly effective in cities with high property values where tenants may lack the capital to buy on their own. To ensure success, COPA implementation requires supportive funding mechanisms such as the NYC Acquisition Fund, HPD’s Neighborhood Pillars Program, and state-level programs like New York’s Community Controlled Housing Program. Some advocates recommend strengthening COPA by adding a “right to first refusal” and expanding the definition of eligible properties to include vacant land zoned for multi-unit development.”

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Curious
7 months ago

”affordable” – code for rent control, which has benefited a few lucky tenants at the expense of everyone else. It is a policy supported by the Greens – need I say more?

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

This is happening in New Zealand. The Government offers Government Owned (the people of New Zealand owned property) to IWI and Maori first and before anyone else. Take for example the 68 School grounds Nga Toa bought in Wellington recently without anyone being consulted with no competitive offers or bids from any other party.

Look at the Ruapehu District Council, they have a Policy that all Council Land, Buildings and Property is to be offered to IWI before anyone else for purchase. No competitive bidding or selling process.

While it may not be exactly the same as the COPA Act, it is little different.

Brian Marshall
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
7 months ago

If I recall correctly, Ngati Toa were lent the money to purchase those schools by the government and then the same government leases the schools back. Whole lot of white guilt for Maori mostly selling too much land and pissing the money away.

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Brian Marshall
7 months ago

Yep Brian, Ngati Toa, lent your (the Taxpayers) money, at probably less than Commercial Interest Rates to buy your (the Taxpayers) property, held in Trust by the Government and then Ngati Toa Lease your (the Taxpayers) former Property back to you (the Taxpayer). Try doing that with a private business enterprise, it would not happen.

It is just plain wrong.

Odakyu-sen
Reply to  Brian Marshall
7 months ago

Ticket-clipping makes money.

How could Ngati Toa use their cash flow to benefit “their people”?
Is it even in their interests to do so? (There is a heavy responsibility once you give up your victimhood status.)

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

So note how in Australia & Canada how they have also had over reaching mission creep, as they all take turns about pushing, so ratcheting different ways, loop-holes and then can get the country to consider “overseas” precedents as the “new normal” to be applied.

Can private land be used for Treaty settlements?
Land in private ownership cannot be given back to Māori.
There are two exceptions.
Firstly, private owners might buy land knowing it has a memorial on it that notes the land could be returned to Māori as part of a successful claim settlement.
Second, the Crown might buy private land to use as part of a settlement.
https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/discover-collections/read-watch-play/maori/treaty-waitangi/treaty-waitangi-reading-and-resources-0

But as one can see it is very loss making deal having the Crown triggered to purchase your private title of land.

Then the work around by Waitangi Treaty Tribunal with other cohorts, to be supposedly within the law of not touching private titled land.
Just a little jack-up here & there, and iwi can take it.

Also, claims cannot be made against private landowners who now own land that the Crown had earlier confiscated.
However, once again if you can reframe the issue in a way that uncovers a Tiriti breach by the Crown, then you may be able to make a claim to the Tribunal.
This has been the case for many iwi groups bringing claims about confiscated lands, and although privately owned whenua cannot be returned through the settlements process, compensation was made in other forms. [….. Yeah right ….]
Therefore, it’s important to think carefully about how you frame the Treaty grievance.
https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/test/whenua-maori-me-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-land-occupations-and-claims-under-the-treaty/taking-a-treaty-claim-to-the-waitangi-tribunal/#:~

As one can see there seem to be a number of ways of “reframing the issue” that bring other systemic institutions to take one’s supposed ‘private title’.

This link is just to show the current ongoing timetable of application of getting land claims to be land-banked and the sort of generally but”.

Land that is privately owned is generally not available for use in Treaty settlements, but claimants can make their own arrangements with the owners if both parties agree.
The Crown does not get involved in matters related to private land.
https://www.linz.govt.nz/guidance/crown-property/treaty-settlements/treaty-settlements-landbank-and-maori-protection-mechanism#:~

Just why? Why did both Parties agree.?
So once an angle can be found, then the Crown does become involved using all the powers though hiding & denying its coercion whilst being your friend — NOT.

Then to another recent case, that makes out that this was a continuance from ancient days.

Ask Julian Batchelor where claims were made of his private property.
Julian Batchelor purchased his land in good faith, paying the full price and sealing the deal.
Then, without independent research or scientific verification, the land was declared wāhi tapu — a site sacred to Māori.
This designation invokes Section 6(e) of the Resource Management Act 1991, which compels local authorities to “recognise and provide for” Māori spiritual connections to land, water, and sacred sites.
This is not mere cultural respect — it is a legal mandate that prioritizes spiritual claims, often supported primarily by oral tradition, over property owners’ rights.
It hands significant power to iwi representatives, allowing them to restrict or halt land use by invoking spiritual significance, frequently without the requirement for objective or archaeological evidence. ……
https://www.facebook.com/groups/106049564684/posts/10162336627249685/

Then another good citizen in Northland lost a considerable money in dealing with the NZ Crown.
Soul destroying and how can one trust any of the “Uni government” & all those Cabinet Ministers involved?

……. “forced” to sell his property, which had been occupied by a local iwi, for about $130,000 less than its Quotable Value.
Williams’ property at 1 Wharo Way, Ahipara, was first occupied in October who were unhappy that a culturally significant pōhutukawa on the property had been partly felled for a house site.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaitaia-gp-130k-out-of-pocket-after-having-to-sell-occupied-land-to-council/F7RFB4VVDJFLNGZZYELBH2QXTE/
paywalled.

There will always be some scientism tikanga maori lore to be turned into living ever-changing breathing maori law to gain avantage, in all the First Nations, Indigenous, First Settlers. etc.. lands.
The precedents have all been recognized globally & now upheld in our institutions.

So the institutions, politicians, departments, bureaucrats have learnt a lot since taking on Allan Titford have been set up now to run rough shod over every one when one follows the first link on the next part below.

Last edited 7 months ago by Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Simpleton1
7 months ago

Allan Titford & family found the agreement was very much forced & under duress, & connived by the Crown.
He protested & continously bore witness to how the Crown treated him initially.
Like how his Land rover was a well done Billboard on the issue.
So it suits the Crown using the Judiciary to connive to shut him down with a sentence of 24 years.

How Allan Titford came to buy the unencumbered title of private farm land, and was backed by even the Rural Bank at the time.
Then how the maori claims came about.
So many interesting points made, and the number of Catch 22 points being leveraged; too many to put into quotes.

https://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/AllanandSusanvsTheWaitangiTribunal1.html#:~

A very detailed time-lined of how the government wore down the Titfords.
Note that in parts Official Information Act obtained some details in this article.

Also just to quietly note in the above link, how Sue the wife, stood by Allan Titford for a number of years, even moved to Tasmania with Allan.

So the NGO’s, Tribunals, Government Bureaucracy, connive, deceive & lie, which not only destroys individuals and also creates

So it is difficult to figure how, why this was worked against Allan Titford?

Allan Titford Fights for Justice and Ends up in Jail for 24 Years! 
https://onenzfoundation.co.nz/articles/titford/allan-titford-fights-for-justice-2/

Yet the system seems continues to besmirch Allan Titford as a “monster”.
I know he continued speaking out about the government that took his farm so cheaply in this maori deal.

https://onenzfoundation.co.nz/articles/titford/time-line-of-the-titford-case/#:~

I know that Allan Titford, on the split up with Susan, did later take another woman & had a child or 2 by her.
Though that is not mentioned & probably does want to be mentioned much.

Allan Titford’s partner of three years, Marcian Thomas, is just the latest of six friends of Titford to tell me that they suspect his wife and children have been bribed to lie about him.
https://treatygate.wordpress.com/2013/11/30/why-im-not-deserting-allan-titford/comment-page-1/

The Crown, & all its institutions do not work for the New Zealand citizens and is now fully locked into globalisation with WEF-UN.
Its 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) as a global roadmap by 2030 to end poverty, protect the planet, …. etc., etc.,
Using various tools like Climate Change;
Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI);-
Global Migration Pact, etc..;
World Health Organisation (WHO) Treaty to bring about mandates etc..

All able to conveniently use the precedents set in using “Emergency Powers” to bring about full compliance controls, including taking private property, as asked for by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats that can create further laws to empower them.
Let alone the criminal aiding & abetting Waitangi Tribunal.

Last edited 7 months ago by Simpleton1
Hooker Phil
7 months ago

OK – Lets have some New Year Wishes and Resolutions.

  1. That the left DO NOT gain a majority.
  2. That Luxon’s balls drop.
  3. That the Waitangi Tribunal is wound up. (And Pigs fly)
  4. That Government Money is spent as if it was their own.
  5. That Rugby becomes enjoyable, again.
  6. That the Crusaders win again.
  7. That SB finds more gold than Dick Whittington.
  8. That Blessings are Bestowed on all readers of YSB
  9. That the Warriors finish in the Top Four.(To win might be too much to ask)
  10. That Climate Change hurries up and gives us a decent summer.
  11. Happy New Year Everybody – May All Your Dreams Come True.
I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Hooker Phil
7 months ago

aw man, im going to be poverty stricken as any new years wishes or resolutions are 100% guaranteed to go unfulfilled!

Mcduff
Reply to  Hooker Phil
7 months ago

If number 2 happens, he will need longer arms and deeper pockets.
He’s forever standing around with his hands in his pockets…

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Mcduff
7 months ago

Playing pocket billiards!

Bobthebldrs
Bobthebldrs
Reply to  Hooker Phil
7 months ago

12…may all your Xmases be white.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Bobthebldrs
7 months ago

RAAAAACISTTTT!!!!!!

Bobthebldrs
Bobthebldrs
Reply to  Starving Artist
7 months ago

I freely admit to that. Only found out though about eight years ago thanks to fja.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Bobthebldrs
7 months ago

2. what you don’t like his squeaky voice.
5. get real man.
6. piss of hairy legs, rugby enjoyable. Ya dreaming.
9. Never happened before, why would it happen now.

Hooker Phil
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

# 9 Don’t actually think so. But dreams are free.

Hooker Phil
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Well done Sir Scott Dixon – how many times has our Country name – New Zealand – been mentioned because of him.
I see 15 people have been included in the various categories for Services to Maori and 1 each for services to the Greek, Niuean, Punjabi, Aids & Rainbow and 2 for India. Didn’t see any for the white fella.

howitis
howitis
Reply to  Hooker Phil
7 months ago

Didn’t see any for the white fella.

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Especially when Whites are a minority in the world
11% and declining

less than 40% whitie in California

there are only 1200 Niueans
Well 1200 in Niue itself
they try to inflate it to get more aid, like saying 1800 or 2000
but not been that all this century

Why awards for Indians
there are more Indians in the world than whitie ?

Very racist

but those gongs are meaningless crap when it comes down to it

Some sheila gets a dameness-  Dorothy Spotswood- because her boyfriend earned lots of money and gave plenty away.

If some sheila actually earned some money ; and her boyfriend acted high and mighty giving it way would he become a SIR
no way Jose

The things are sexist and racist.

if a sheila gets a dameness, then the hubby/boyfriend gets nothing
but the women get titles from the males effort.

Australia kicked that shit out in 1986
smart move
royalist Tony Abbott brought it back but that went when he was gone.

Bobthebldrs
Bobthebldrs
Reply to  howitis
7 months ago

Whites 11%. Good, now I’m a minority and can say what l like and can bum off the rest of society.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Bobthebldrs
7 months ago

Along with hold your hand out for all of the freebies!
But it seems to me that we are paying for everybody’s freebies!

Mcduff
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

So, once again you don’t need to do anything extraordinary to be ‘rewarded’, just do the job you’ve already been paid for.
I do wish they’d just put the names in alpha order though – would make it much easier to check whether the gong is in the mail and the postie is just running late.

Ross12
Reply to  Mcduff
7 months ago

Agree Mcduff. Reading through that list of academics, that is exactly what I was thinking.

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Didn’t notice any Gongs for “Services to Pakeha or Honky”, maybe I am just a racist, bigoted one eyed Prick, but there you are.

Gongs for Services to Punjabi.
Gongs (many) for Services to the Early Settler.
Gongs for Services to Ethnic Communities.
Gongs for Services to Refugees.
Gongs for Services to Women and Women;s Health.
Gongs for Services to the Greek Community.
Gongs for Services to the Niuean Community.

But nothing for the Male or Honky, typical Bollocks.

Viking
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
7 months ago

Rod Drury got one.

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Rod Dury got one for Services to Business or are you missing the point of my Post.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

Why didn’t Viking get one for services to curtain cleaning,
or will he get that when he retires?

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

Maybe only once it’s curtains for him…

Viking
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

Don’t expect anything from arsewipes and definitely not for just doing my job.

Looking forward to a gong from Ed for winding all you slackers up and bringing the world to your doorstep.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

Don’t forget services to facebook.

Viking
Reply to  Starving Artist
7 months ago

What’s your problem?
Seems to be mental.
Or is it just plain ignorance?

Tarquin
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Can’t believe it I’ve been overlooked again. A gong for extreme wokeness and wishing for a man bun continues to elude me. Guess I’ll have to try even harder next year (sighs and has a quiet swivel).

Viking
Reply to  Tarquin
7 months ago

is that swivel or snivel?

Tarquin
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Bloody predictive crap, and there are people out there that trust A.I.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Tarquin
7 months ago

Swivel is perfect for JC. He’s bound to keep something up his arse to swivel on!.

Raining cats and dogs in the Waikato. Hope you aren’t camping in a tent.

Have a happy last day of 2025 ysb’ers.😃

Last edited 7 months ago by waikatogirl
Tarquin
Reply to  waikatogirl
7 months ago

Just got back from the back blocks not too far from Blenheim where the internet is appalling. Christchurch is about 12 degrees and it’s raining but it’s still warmer than Marlborough. Will never moan about the winterless north again. Have a great new year W.G and everyone else on ysb.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Tarquin
7 months ago

With this stormy weather Mike wouldn’t be parading in his togs so it would have been safe to pop over to Nelson before your return to your safe space in Northland.

Brave crossing Cook Strait in those winds! 🌊

Saggy
7 months ago

You donate the robot cleaner to the local gang pad because they’re notoriously untidy. Tell one guy that you turn it on by tapping the top button and that he needs to demonstrate this to everyone at the next team meeting.

Viking
7 months ago

The back room of social welfare.
The ignorance of many Ministers and the meanness of Richardson and why she should be forever sent to the Auckland islands.

Working for Families at 20: Inside the creation of the biggest welfare reform of the 21st CenturyThe two most consequential changes to our welfare system in the last half-century are connected by a handful of people and two whiteboards.
Looking back two decades after the second of these changes, Working for Families, began paying out in April 2005, Peter Hughes, then the chief executive of the new Ministry for Social Development (MSD), told the Herald that for him, the genesis of the tax credit scheme began decades earlier in the early 1990s.
Hughes, who retired from the public service last year after rising to the top job of Public Service Commissioner, was then the acting director of policy at the old Department of Social Welfare, a precursor to MSD.
The Government was planning to cut benefit rates, and Hughes and some other public servants were called over to ministers’ offices to work out the details.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/working-for-families-at-20-inside-the-creation-of-the-biggest-welfare-reform-of-the-21st-century/premium/FH53O54BQBGG5G4Q3XAADIXZMI/

This covers the Richardson, Shipley attempt to screw every Kiwi, the Maharey/Preeble/Rankin episode, which was a disgraceful attack on a woman leader by a sad cunt Preeble. (he should rot in hell, that bastard, total fucking coward who sold his soul for pieces of silver.) and Maharey ( without doubt the most sneering piece of shit that ever infested Parliament. Worse even than Cullen).

Its a really interesting read.
I wil put the article up in full for those that don’t pay.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Thank you kind sir!

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

I do wonder why? oh why? the Bolger government had to accept the reverse of the budget surplus as planned by Lange Palmer Moore Labour government to be in surplus.

Then why oh why did National arranged and borrowed an extra $740 million in the first year, to make it the “mother of all budgets”, to spend on what?
So how many years did that borrowing continue?
When did the budget come back to surplus???

Who ever decided that on that name & the media have made it a feast for-ever ! & since rejoiced in finding the ironic meaning to being National austerity budget as always touted by the journalist media.

It sort of reminds me after the Greece Olympic Games, when they had the austerity budgets that were pushed by the EU on the Greek government in return for some bail-outs.
The health budgets had 25% sliced off, & user charges bought in, buy your own medicines, while wages, particularly government wages, then also all pensions, & age increased for eligibility, totally chopped down.
Increased high taxes on income & on their GST system plus more search on any fraud or evasion.
Increased unemployment, capital flight, & of course young people were able to look around Europe for jobs.

Would that have happened in New Zealand to a greater or lesser extent.
Though with $NZ not being pegged would have been great if it fell much much more for the exporters?
And of course the relief valve of jumping over the ditch would be even easier in those days.

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Viking
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Working for Families at 20: Inside the creation of the biggest welfare reform of the 21st Century

Thomas Coughlan
Political Editor·NZ Herald·
31 Dec, 2025 07:41 AM15 mins to read

Finance Minister Michael Cullen talks with Prime Minister Helen Clark before delivering his final Budget. Photo / NZPA
More than 300,000 families — about half of all families with children — get support from Working for Families, a Helen Clark-era tax credit system that boosts family incomes by an average of about $178 a week. Despite being described by former Prime Minister John Key as “communism by stealth”, it is now an enduring part of the country’s social safety net. As the main part of the scheme turned 20 this year, the Herald looked back on how it came to be.
The two most consequential changes to our welfare system in the last half-century are connected by a handful of people and two whiteboards.
Looking back two decades after the second of these changes, Working for Families, began paying out in April 2005, Peter Hughes, then the chief executive of the new Ministry for Social Development (MSD), told the Herald that for him, the genesis of the tax credit scheme began decades earlier in the early 1990s.
Hughes, who retired from the public service last year after rising to the top job of Public Service Commissioner, was then the acting director of policy at the old Department of Social Welfare, a precursor to MSD.
The Government was planning to cut benefit rates, and Hughes and some other public servants were called over to ministers’ offices to work out the details.

“I can remember being called over to Ruth Richardson’s office – I’m pretty sure it was her office – late at night with Minister Jenny Shipley and she had a whiteboard… with new benefit rates on it,” Hughes said.
Initially, Hughes recalled, he and the other officials were given just 24 hours to make the new benefit rates “happen” in policy terms.

The problem for Hughes was not just the speed of the decision; it was that the new benefits were being made with very little information about whether they would be enough for people to live on.

“There was very little information on adequacy of benefit income – very little at all.
Benefit rates in those days were much higher relative to wages than they have been since.
“People didn’t see a need to generate that information so we didn’t have it. So it was quite hard doing that work,” he said.
Hughes said he remembered coming back from Richardson’s office and discussing with colleagues “whether we were going to do this or resign”.
“It was quite shocking, the rates that were proposed,” he said.
Shipley, the minister responsible for social welfare, got the team more time. Hughes did the work. He recalls now that the rates ultimately agreed by Cabinet were even lower than the ones he first saw on the whiteboard.
A decade and a half in the future, Hughes would find himself heading up the new Ministry for Social Development, as a new Labour Government planned the biggest intervention in social policy since Richardson’s cuts: Working for Families.
Enter the second whiteboard.

It was a little over a decade later, and a group of public servants was crowded round another whiteboard. This time, Hughes wanted to make sure they’d have better information on income adequacy than he’d had in 1990.

Full employment wasn’t enough
About halfway through her term, Prime Minister Helen Clark had a frustrating problem.
The economy was running well by some measures; New Zealand was one of the fastest-growing economies in the OECD in 2002, growing 4.4% thanks to an export boom and strong domestic demand. Unemployment, at 5.2% — slightly below where it is now — seems high by today’s standards, but Clark recalls it as being quite low, which it was, when compared with the 1990s, when the unemployment rate reached double digits.
Unemployment fell even lower than forecast in 2002 and 2003, plunging to below 4%, where it stayed for most of the rest of Clark’s time in government.

Clark said by the time the Government got to Working for Families, “it was clear that full employment on its own was not going to overcome poverty challenges”.
She recalled to the Herald, “New Zealand has relatively low wages and high housing costs”.
“Families in those circumstances easily fall into poverty, including the working poor,” Clark said.
At some point, early in Clark’s second term, Social Development Minister Steve Maharey came to her and Finance Minister Michael Cullen “with the idea that we should look at cash transfers being stepped up systematically” to address the problem,” Clark recalled.
“That was the genesis of it – full employment on its own in the context of relatively low wages and high housing costs would not address the problem and we had to do something more,” Clark said.
Maharey told the Herald the Government had inherited public concerns about poverty and income adequacy from the 1990s.
During the Government’s first term, ministers talked about “these issues coming into a single package”, but ultimately scrapped the idea because the Government was locked in a long battle with Christine Rankin, the head of what was then the Department of Work and Income.
Maharey also knew that the cost of significant social reform would be high, and he would need a powerful agency to fight his corner.

‘Social Treasury’ versus the actual Treasury
In October 2001, the Government merged the Ministry of Social Policy and the Department of Work and Income — the policy and delivery arms of social welfare — into the Ministry of Social Development.
Maharey said he wanted a “social Treasury” that could stand its own against the real Treasury.
MSD began publishing the “social report”, an annual inventory of social trends, which looked at things like smoking rates and income adequacy alongside broader measurements of a healthy society like voter turnout and “participation in cultural and arts activities”.
The report is not unlike a larger broader version of the Wellbeing Report included in Grant Robertson’s wellbeing budgets.
Nonetheless, the actual Treasury was not convinced.
“Treasury did not like this policy at all,” Maharey said.
“This was a break with the orthodoxy – you should not be doing redistribution of income,” he said.
“Treasury always had neoliberal tendencies, shall we say,” Clark said.
Once it made its way around the Cabinet, “everyone got excited about it”, including Clark herself, Maharey recalled.

But in many ways, the key person to win over was Cullen, the gatekeeper to the large sums of money that would be required to fund the scheme.
“Despite the fact we’d built a Social Treasury, Treasury still holds a lot of sway and it did not like this policy,” Maharey said.
Maharey said Cullen became “interested later on when the package was largely developed”.
‘He became interested in the economics of it,”
With both Cullen and Clark onside, Maharey put the Working for Families package together.

Whiteboard number 2
Over at MSD, Hughes had a lot to prove. He was a new chief executive of a new department — and his minister, Maharey, had put a lot on the line for the scheme.
There was “a lot riding on it”, he recalled.
“This was the first big test for Minister Maharey’s ‘Social Treasury’ vision”.
The merger had been challenging. The policy team and the delivery teams did not “get on”.
He wanted the delivery side of MSD to be involved in the policy design from the beginning, so the agency would have a better idea of whether the policy was practical.
The practicalities of the scheme were worked out using the same technology with which Richardson and Shipley had concocted the 1990s benefit cuts: a whiteboard.
Hughes recalled “about 30” people from the delivery and policy arms of the agency crowded around a whiteboard to build the scheme.
Initially, it was “complete chaos”, but it later “found a rhythm”. Hughes reckoned that eventually it made for a better department, which was better both at policy development and delivery.
When he went into MSD, Hughes said he had his experience with the whiteboard in Richardson’s office “in the back of [his] mind”.
“One of the things I did was a lot of work on poverty measurement and living standards”.
“At a really basic level it comes down to adequacy of benefit income on one hand and wage-benefit adequacy on the other,” he said.
In order to answer Hughes’ question, the department needed to know what it didn’t know when the benefit cuts were made in the 1990s: how much do people need to avoid poverty?

Measuring poverty
As the 1990s wore on, it became obvious that New Zealand had a poverty problem, and it was getting bigger.
However, beyond what was visible on the street, proving and measuring poverty was difficult. New Zealand had been a laggard when it came to measuring poverty rates. Prior to the 1990s, poverty rates were guessed at with small community studies and were often dismissed by the Government as anecdotal — in some cases, because they were.
Poverty isn’t easy to measure. Knowing how many people don’t have enough means first finding what “enough” actually is, and then finding a way to work out how many people fall below that threshold.
In 1992, that all changed with the launch of the New Zealand Poverty Measurement Project (NZPMP) by Charles Waldegrave of the Family Centre Social Policy Research, Bob Stephens of Victoria University’s School of Government, and Paul Frater of economics consultancy BERL.

In 1995, the group launched its child poverty indicators. The indicators followed an international consensus that poverty could be measured by looking at people’s incomes relative to the country’s median income level. The group also took into account housing costs, as the high cost of housing is a key driver of New Zealand poverty rates. This was relatively innovative, with only the United Kingdom at that time, including housing costs in poverty measurements.
Waldegrave’s work was unpopular with the National Government, but was welcomed when the new Labour Government took office in 1999. It provided much of the evidentiary basis for Working for Families, which, at its heart, is about increasing household incomes through tax credits. The creators of Working for Families still credit Waldegrave with providing the evidentiary backdrop for the system.
The NZPMP measurements have had a long life in New Zealand. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern included seven of them in the ten measurements included in her Child Poverty Reduction Act. They are still reported each year in the Child Poverty Report.

How it worked
In practical terms, the idea of Working for Families owed a lot to the United Kingdom, where Chancellor Gordon Brown made a Working Families Tax Credit a centrepiece of his 1998 Budget (Maharey says the name Working for Families came from a staffer at MSD, possibly inspired by the British antecedent).
Maharey also brought a senior analyst from the British civil service over to advise officials here.
“It made good policy sense – I wish people would do this [take foreign expertise] more often… So many policies I see look like they’re really not well done because they’re not drawing on expertise like they ought to,” he said.
In December 2003, the Government’s Budget Policy Statement signalled a “Future Directions” package which would be at the “centrepiece” of the Budget, which would come in May the next year.
Unlike today’s Budget Policy Statements, which tend to be very light on what is in the Budget, Cullen was fairly explicit about what he was going to announce.
“It will significantly increase direct income support and incentives to move from welfare benefits into paid employment, and will make housing more affordable for low-income families and single adults,” he wrote.
On 27 May 2004, Budget Day, Cullen revealed the details: a series of tax credits that would roll out from 2004 to 2007, costing about $1.1b a year ($1.7b in today’s prices) once in force.
The scheme was less revolutionary for what it did than it was for the scale on which it did it.
A income-boosting family tax credit scheme wasn’t entirely new; the main tax credits already existed. What Working for Families did was immensely increase their eligibility and the amount the credits paid.
That came at significant cost.
On its own, the scheme was about two-thirds the size of 2024’s tax cut package.
However, because Working for Families was targetted only at low-and middle-income families with children, the income boost to eligible households was larger. Initial estimates reckoned about 300,000 families would get the tax credits. Some families saw their household incomes increase by $270 a week in today’s money.
In October 2004, Family Assistance abatement thresholds were increased, allowing people receiving those tax credits to keep more of what they earned as they took on additional work.
In April 2005, Family Support, a Lange Government-era means-tested tax credit paid to low-income families, both in work and on a benefit, was increased by $25 a week for a family’s first child and $15 a week for each subsequent child.
In 2007, the credit was given its modern name, the “Family Tax Credit” (FTC).
The accommodation supplement, a benefit designed to help with high housing costs, was increased in high-income areas.
In April 2006, the Child Tax Credit, a Jim Bolger Government tax credit that topped up the income of families that worked, was scrapped and replaced with the In-Work Tax Credit (IWTC). It paid $60 a week for families with three children and $15 a week for every other child.
Both the FTC and the IWTC would begin abating from a new, higher threshold of $35,000 (abatement means that once a family’s income reaches a certain level, the tax credit starts to reduce). This replaced the two lower thresholds of $20,356 and $27,481, and had the effect of massively increasing the amount of tax credit families would keep as they earned more money.
A new abatement rate of 20% was introduced, meaning that for every dollar earned above the abatement threshold, the tax credit was reduced by 20 cents. The higher abatement rate had been 30%, meaning under the old system families lost their tax credits faster, giving people less of an incentive to get extra work.
In 2007, the final elements of the scheme were put in place. Family Tax Credit rates were increased by $10 a week.
Inflation adjustments were included, with the tax credit amounts and the income thresholds for the people getting them adjusted regularly to maintain their real value.
The sums of money were vast.
In 2004, the median before-tax household income was $46,000.
A low-income household with two children earning $30,000 a year would be better off by $115 a week by the time the full package rolled out in 2007. A family earning $37,500 with childcare costs would be better off by $163 a week.
Across the 300,000 households receiving the credits, the average gain was $66 a week, with households earning between $25,000 and $45,000 getting $100 a week.

What happened?
The package was incredibly successful at bringing down rates of child poverty initially.
A 2010 MSD report found that between 2004 and 2008 the number of children living in poverty by an income measure fell by 8 percentage points due to Working for Families. By another, non-income measure, it fell by 11 percentage points over the same period.
Another study, focused on poverty rates in ‘working’ households, found the child poverty rate in 2007 had halved from where it was in 2004, to 11%.
In subsequent years, the system was pared back to rein in its cost.
During the Global Financial Crisis, Treasury warned that the Government faced a severe structural deficit, something not foreseen during the late 2000s, when the fiscal picture looked far more secure. The scheme was actually expanded in response to the GFC in order to give families out of work some security of income. But as projections of the fiscal situation worsened, the scheme was pared back.
Abatement thresholds had been indexed to inflation, which meant that the credits remained targeted to the same cohort of people, even as wage inflation gave them nominal pay increases. This was removed to cut costs, and meant that the number of families eligible for the credits slowly reduced.
There was an ideological element too. Scrapping inflation indexing meant many upper-middle-income earners would earn themselves out of the scheme, which meant that over time it would become more targeted to lower-income earners (and cheaper too).
National and Labour Governments have both increased abatement rates too, meaning families lose their tax credits much faster.
Twenty years on the promise and peril of Working for Families endures. With nearly half of all families with children receiving at least some of the tax credits, Former Prime Minister John Key’s allegation that it is “communism by stealth” isn’t entirely unfair.
For the left, it remains one of the key levers of poverty reduction, particularly among the working poor.

Note there are pics that are in the original article that are not reproduced.

Tauhei Notts
Tauhei Notts
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Working For Families Tax Credit!!!
If a person works 40 hours per week on the minimum wage that person’s income will be too high for the full Working For Families Tax Credit.
And if that person earns a further $100 $17.50 will go in tax, $27.50 will be taken off their WFF Tax Credit, $12 will go in Student Loan repayments and $1.75 will go to the ACC. That leaves $41.50 in the hand, but the Kiwisaver will reduce that to $38.50.
And people wonder why there are so many cash jobs available..

nasska
Reply to  Tauhei Notts
7 months ago

It’s oft been that way in the glorious, socialist Land of the Long Off-white Crowd. In 1973, overtime & a second job was all it took to promote a poor truck driver with an M2 tax code into 66 cents in the $1 territory.

It was the closest I ever got to rubbing shoulders with the gentry.

rightoverlabour
7 months ago

Get a large metal object and drop it on the middle.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  rightoverlabour
7 months ago

Preferably a very large exploding type! Bomb)

Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Weak man create hard times.

2026 will be an election year.

Democracy only works in a moral society. Once people develop the habit of voting for free stuff, the system falls into debt. The only way out is to print more money and inflate the debt away.

We punish the savers and the young workers, but favor the elderly and the unproductive. (The elderly vote.)

Our government is too large and has too many state employees.

When was the last time that this country had “hard times”? (What would you define as “hard times”?)

freethinker
freethinker
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

You are unfair Oda – Im 82 and still working part time and 26% of NZ over 65 still working wish I had figures for 18-25 yr olds not working but bludging.

Viking
Reply to  freethinker
7 months ago

21% youth are unemployed.
Its a challange for them when the govt. made them too expensive to employ.
Ya can’t put an old head on young shoulders.

Its the system working against them.
Its always the system.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

They only banned giving a feed of KFC within a hundred metres of a polling booth!

Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

You want free stuff from the State?
What price are you willing to pay for it? (Nothing is free. Trade-offs are inevitable.)

Could this be New Zealand’s fate? Why Southern Europe is LOSING Its Youth (The Great Youth Exodus Explained) NZ is losing its youth too.

Viking
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

yep

Saggy
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

Oh I thought she was going to point at her husband’s penis.

Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

What examples of ideologically induced stupidity can you think of?

  • Paying people not to work
  • Importing low-grade coal
  • Sending “recycled” plastic offshore (where a corrupt middleman dumps them in some Asian river)
I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

building very expensive and intermitent generating wind turbines while claiming itll make electricity cheaper.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Climate Change
Covid “vaccinations”
Speed limit reductions.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Allowing Marsden Point to close
Still being party to the Paris Accord
Allowing pidgin to permeate the public sector and public broadcasting services

Viking
Reply to  FJA
7 months ago

Planting productive country in pine trees for carbon credits.
Expanding our welfare system.
Shutting young people out of work.

Ross12
Reply to  FJA
7 months ago

Closing Marsden Point will go down in history (real history books !!) as the most damaging decision to the NZ economy in it’s history, so far.

Viking
Reply to  Ross12
7 months ago

nope.
You have a govt. determined to remove oil from its economy. ( take forever)
A refinery that needed billions to upgrade and couldn’t use our own product.
So the commercial directors did what they should. Look after their shareholders.
Strange that righties don’t understand that.

A lot more individual companies with their own refineries elsewhere.

You reap what you sow.
Electric cars and trucks anyone?

Ross12
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

It was going so “poorly” that the CEO, who was pushed out a year or so before, had put up a $300 million proposal to upgrade parts of it. Marsden Point was a very efficient and quite technically advanced refinery compared to other overseas plants.
I’m told the real reason it was closed was Infatil (the woke CC believers) wanted out of their petrol station chain (and the share of Marden Point ) Ampol from Aussie said they would buy the chain if Marden was closed down, because they already had their own refinery in Aussie. So Marsden was closed and NZ will suffer.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Viking
7 months ago

Tell that to California who have had three refineries close down. They are also now reliant on refined oil being imported.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Criminalizing hate speech? …. but … but …..

@Redbaiter
An excellent question from the Sky News reporter and it leaves Australian Deputy PM Richard Marles stammering and stuttering like a teenage girl.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2005955122464186466
1 min 47 secs : Dec. 30th, 2025

Criminalizing Who? ?
Exemptions for who. ???
Who will put the bell on that putty-cat ???

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nasska
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

#. Shitcanning gas exploration then importing nitrogenous fertilisers which we used to produce ourselves.

#. Incentivising electric vehicles then importing diesel & coal to fuel generators to produce power to run them.

#, Interring or cremating Green MPs when their mortal remains could be ground up & used to fertilise a crop of mung beans.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

Tainted food. 🤮 How toxic is a Greenie? //

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

Just chuck everything into the waste bins or burn everything except glass and metal. Fucking give up on the stupid rules.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

Fascist box ticker loose on your street.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  waikatogirl
7 months ago

We have that problem here too.
Council bin checker was even nose deep into private pickup bins!

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Making a plant illegal.

Saggy
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Making gun laws to curb he behaviour of law-breakers.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Saggy
7 months ago

Trying to! Go down ya local gang and pickup ya needs!

Sooty
Sooty
7 months ago

Helun Clarks father has died at 103.
Will the bitch be trying to sneak back in to the country to attend the funeral?
Would she come on her free ticket on ANZ, tied to her pension agreement?
Doubt she would spend any of her millions on a private jet when she could lord it over all the plebs in first class.

Viking
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

Met him a couple of times. Actually, not a bad sort of a dude.
Wasn’t much space between Clark and her mother. Both baggages.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

She better be strapped to her broomstick with all this unsettled air around NZ. Hope there’s a headwind all the way. 🧹💨

Saggy
Reply to  Sooty
7 months ago

That’s a long wait for the family set of false teeth.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
7 months ago

Are you going to have a great Bunny jumping Easter???

…. …… one million dollars worth of supermarket vouchers were allocated to the Whānau Ora Commissioning Agency for distribution during the last census drive.

The Manakau Urban Māori Authority (MUMA) [Willie Jackson] was a significant Whānau Ora provider ……. …..

….. thousands of unused supermarket vouchers, so many in-fact, they considered giving them to staff as a morale booster.

The document from the developing Willie Jackson/MUMA scandal also suggests the unused Pak’n Save vouchers be used to create Easter egg packages for staff and their whānau. …… ….
https://nitter.net/Suitandtie9999/status/2005725809924010266#m

And still not a mention from legacy media.
So what is being kept back in reserve, for the bucket of KFC to vote in the coming elections?

Still NZ is in its own way looking to jump ahead of Minnesota, Maine etc. health care, of where does the money go?

Last edited 7 months ago by Simpleton1
Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Simpleton1
7 months ago

I bet if you did a deep dive into the voucher now, I bet there will be shitloads missing.
Bet some people had a good Christmas!

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
7 months ago

A fair assessment, mostly. Simeon Brown overlooked again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoRpCyMVW0g
Who Thrived And Who Failed In New Zealand Politics 2025
Duncan Garner Podcast

New Zealand politics in 2024 was messy, intense, and sometimes downright ridiculous. In this episode of Duncan Garner: Editor-in-Chief, Duncan reviews the political year, highlighting the winners, losers, and everything in between. …

Last edited 7 months ago by waikatogirl
Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

A cautionary tale of stupidity (hindsight is a wonderful thing): Germany’s $500 Billion Mistake (The Green Energy Trap )

Ross12
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
7 months ago

Thanks O-sen. Great video, well worth everyone watching and is especially relevant to the cuzzies across the ditch

nasska
7 months ago

A recent article at https://www.thepress.co.nz/business/360886932/costly-obsolescence-just-how-long-should-your-household-appliance-last asks a highly pertinent question given the volume of high tech appliances with built in obsolescence we accumulate. It suggests that:

#. “…….a person might expect to have to buy 12 laptops, eight to 12 vacuums, eight microwaves, eight TVs, six dishwashers, six washing machines, five to six fridges, five clothes driers in their roughly 60-year adult lives.”

It’s been a long while in our household since the impending arrival of the latest complicated gadgetry requiring a PHD in technology or the help of a child to operate has caused much excitement or glee. Why then can’t we buy a fridge that lasts for twenty years rather than one with fine tuned temperature zones or remote control monitoring?

Ditto for the rest of the expensive consumer junk which makes a brief stop over in our houses on its way to the tip.

Webwrat
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

About 1964 my parents, on an islolated sheep station, decided to start up probably one of the first farm stays in the country to help pay the mortgage because the arse had dropped right out of the fine wool market. Because of the difficulties of getting supplies in, Mum wanted a big deep freezer. She contacted Fisher Pykel and found that the biggest they made was 20 cubic feet which she said wasn’t big enough. They made her a one off 30 cube one.

About 2024 the manager of the station invited all of our family back for a weekend visit, to stay in the shearers quarters and spend a couple af days indulging our nostalgia.

The point of this post.

I wandered over to have look at the new woodshed that replaced the 100+ year old one that we had when we were there. On the way through the lean-too into the wool shed I spotted a deep freeze at the back wall. I went back out and yelled at the rest of the crowd, “Come and look at this, Mum’s old freezer!” As the 18 of us were standing there, oohing and aahing I lifted the lid and saw that its was choka with frozen dog tucker and still humming away. 60 years old!

nasska
Reply to  Webwrat
7 months ago

Amazing.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

look at the warranty, add 6-12mnths to it and thats roughly the lifespan you can expect.

old mans an old skool sparky so hes kept alot if our stuff going. our meile vacuum was fucked but $4 temu parts and he got it going, fridge and dishwasher were much the same too.
ill happily rebuild stuff if its worth it, most of the time its the labour that makes repairs cost prohibitive so diy can really pay off and youtube/google will sort a tuturial on pretty much anything. im in the middle of rebuilding a second chainsaw, $110 for an aftermarket kit vs $800 for the shop to do it or $2300 for a new saw. just done calipers, rotors and wheel bearings on my quad last weekend too, fuck the thieving cunts in workshops theyre all well over $100 an hour. if stuff was newer and under warranty is the only time i take gear in for work, even then i dont think its worth it.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
7 months ago

A friend can fix common iPhone issues, but only up to 12?? midels because the phone checks to see if replaced parts are “allowed” and will bring up a warning every time the phone is switched on if they’re not.

Removing the back of the later iPhones also requires an expensive tool which is prohibitively costly for home repairers.

A lot of the repairs aren’t too difficult, and like your vacuum cleaner, the parts aren’t expensive, so being basically prevented from being able to DIY is disgraceful.

In short, Apple are wankers.

Viking
Reply to  FJA
7 months ago

They are there to sell you new phones.
Its what they have always done.
We are prohibited from using ching chong ones as they might be listening.

nasska
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
7 months ago

Your old man would be a treasure. We have in the past junked a lot of stuff that could be fixed relatively simply by a DIY enthusiast because of the regulations (read insurance exclusions) over touching anything involving 240V.

But it’s the electronics that are the kicker nowadays. Faulty motherboards condemn stuff that is otherwise totally okay.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

the motherboards are pretty cheap just gotta know how to get them.
our fridge the motherboard was around 30bux but none in nz. the old man found a couple of burned out parts on the board so replaced them and it was away again.

dad spent a good chunk of his apprenticeship in the workshop doing appliances. rekoned 90% of repairs are just new brushes, a faulty switch or bearings.

Curious
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

Auckland Council to their credit run repair shops in our area, once a month I think. We had a 40 year old food mixer fixed a while back. Sourced the required capacitors from the UK and the fix was free at the repair session.

Sooty
Sooty
7 months ago

Is that green robot vacuum really a landmine in disguise?

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

This is worth reading on the limits of AI

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-0494-4

nasska
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

…..”The future is AI”…..

If it involves Sydney Sweeney & not much else then bring it on. Yet not everyone is convinced that AI is the future. In fact if it becomes our future it will be only be because our leaders have so much vested in making it so; not that it will ever come close to working like human beings.

From https://expose-news.com/2025/12/30/ai-will-eat-itself-like-mad-cow-disease/

#. “AI systems are brittle, overhyped, and fundamentally misaligned with how intelligence really works.”

#. “AI can imitate form, but it doesn’t understand context. It can predict what should come next, but not why it should come next at all.”

The article well sums it up.

#. “…….it doesn’t look like AI could ever take over the world. But that doesn’t mean we won’t end up surrendering it voluntarily by relying on automated models too much in the meantime.”

Viking
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

The person who wrote that nonsense doesn’t understand how to utilise AI.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

And why there are many more of them to arrive in the western world.
All of the World’s Births in 2025 in One Giant Chart
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-births-2025-by-country-giant-chart/#google_vignette
India  23,073,268  Asia
China  8,709,352  Asia
Nigeria  7,640,590  Africa
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Twenty-three million seventy-three thousand two hundred sixty-eight births. No wonder India is sending people here.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Simpleton1
7 months ago

According to Telegram India is now bigger than Japan in terms of economy.
I see we don’t get named. Just chucked in with “rest of Oceania”

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Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

Reaching a civil war level.

: Massacre In Iran Uprising – IRGC Begin Shooting Protesters
https://youtu.be/ob-37uci6tc
46 mins : circa about 3 hours ago. : Tousi TV : Mahyar Tousi

Covering a number of issues that are middle east, but mainly on Iran.

Ballistic missile test just been done. No mention of warhead.
Night over there, so will see tomorrow if the people come out again against the armed thugs of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps IRGC.

The issue will be how organized, are the IRGC & how much military hardware can they bring to bear on the protestors.

Kidnappings now occuring by the IRGC thugs grabbing people & putting them into vans.

When will Legacy media find it interesting to cover?
Complicit? Do not want to show the bad side of Islam?

Can the protestors find & come with some reasonable tools, arms to fight back on the IRGC?

Messages of support from Trump & Bibi for the Iranian people.

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rightoverlabour
Reply to  Editor
7 months ago

I bloody hope so. 50% of the Iranians are not bad people. It’s just the fucked in the head Islamists that have fucked up the country since 1981 or there about.

Viking
7 months ago

Wikipedia Conspiracy Goes Deeper Than Anyone Knows |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpXjYiqE-Uo

nasska
7 months ago

🎶 Jesus loves me this I know

Group psychosis tells me so. 🎶 🎶

Viking
Reply to  nasska
7 months ago

Yes of course, and today his recommendation is that you visit the Priest and receive your absolution.
Take, lubricant.
Midnight is the Bewitching hour.
His door will be open.

We will say lots of Hail Marys for you, and perhaps ROL can talk to his boss and arrange two of them to meet you.

You have to pay for your sins.

Viking
7 months ago

a day in the life of John Tamahere

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1933273550937101

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