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FJA
FJA
6 months ago

“… it’s money already earned.”

Yes, but by who?

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  FJA
6 months ago

dumb old fucks seem to think taxes are a savings account to draw on when they hit 65… esp wealthy man whores who dont need it and brag about retiring 20yrs early and spent that time boozing on beaches chasing ladyboys 🙂

the whole thing needs a good reform, means testing to start with, then raise the age of eligibility, then index it to av life expectancy… then slowly get rid of it. im pretty sure thats why they started kiwisaver so they can fully ditch it by 2040.

the greed of older folk in this country is unreal, the same folk that happily bene bash and complain about govt waste are also collecting hundreds of dollars per week they dont need at all…. yup lots of downticks today just for stating the honest truth.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Bill English put in place increasing the age of super rising from 65 to 67 in 2040 but Labour cancelled that.


Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

oww, you will be huntys bad boy today.

But yu are wrong about the super.
It was put in place a long time ago, and it is now on a pay-as-you-go system
Politicians did that, and it was reinforced by National and Muldoon.
Douglass had earlier created a super scheme, which Muldoon destroyed in favour of the current system. It is the political history of what happened.

Cullen decided to create KiwiSaver. Like most things politicians do it was a good idea, not well done and even worse, the arsewipes called Cindy and Sausageman decided to rob the scheme.

The Kiwisave scheme was set up to create retirement savings for individuals at the time they retired after the age of 65. It is subsidised by employers and is based on the earnings of the person. Peters always argued that the accounts should be individually based, and that’s a debate.

The idea is good, as we can see from Aussie, but there are flaws in the thinking and the system.
The options as managers have sorted themselves out
There is an issue for those who never work or declare an income, but that should be their problem.
The big issue really is that when young and raising a family, the first call on a couple’s funds should be to own a house or similar asset. People with families in fixed homes creat stable families.
Therefore, the first saving scheme for people should be directed to that cause. Funds should then go into a high-earning fund that can be used for their house purchase at a suitable time.
Only when that’s in place should the fund roll into a retirement savings. High growth for a big chunk of it.

All the time, of course, the employer is going to subsidise this. And for those that declare income, they should need to top it up as essentially they are employed by self.

On that, I have just emailed Act to get the GST threshold updated.
Currently 60k, but based on buying power should be upgraded to 100k until 2031.
Last updated in 2010, and is now less than the average income.
Imagine the time and cost savings that will bring to thousands, but more importantly, it would remove a barrier to more commerce and cash dealings.
We all know people who don’t earn more than 60k because of “paperwork”

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

Kiwisavers can already withdraw their funds towards the purchase of their first home. What are you actually proposing that would be different?

In Australia I believe a saver has a separate fund for house buying.

nasska
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

…..”Douglass had earlier created a super scheme, which Muldoon destroyed in favour of the current system”…..

Muldoon’s political antenna was first class & the public were suspicious of Labour’s scheme which was the brain fart of Norm Kirk. It was the era when people were searching for “reds under the beds” & a state owned superannuation fund would quickly own NZ companies, banks, businesses & just about everything else.

There’s a name for state ownership……it’s communism.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

i understand why it was put in place, if politicians hadve stuck the course we would have a world class system right now and be able to fund everyones retirement at 65…. but we dont have that and now over the next 15-20yrs everything will get flipped on its head. the accounts will get drained coupled with the number or workers vs pensioner reverses so the burden increases massively.

not being mean here vikey but yourself and most other ysb folk wont be around to deal with the consequences and hard choices that will need to be made.

with any luck there will be an actual and effective pandemic, large war or something that wipes out large swathes of the population (1 of billiam gates vax?) and removes huge burdens on societies worldwide.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

The Cullen fund is still around and is supposed (supposed), to take the sting out of the baby boomer retirement bulge.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

KiwiSaver was a rort put in place for the banks and money men.

rightoverlabour
Reply to  Sooty
6 months ago

I never took out Kiwi saver. I figured lowering the mortgage quicker made sense, and further it was a Labour initiative and I did not like the “you can’t touch the money until we says so” approach. So now I am mortgage free, own 2 and a quarter properties and survive off relief teaching… Yup some may say I was stupid not getting the employment contribution, I reckon its balanced by the interest saved by loading the mortgage payments.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  rightoverlabour
6 months ago

Well done!

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

My kids and their kids are doing fine, and they just have to understand the options. My kids all work for themselves, and the grandkids are either working for themselves, a dr or are employed. They will probably get a bit of help from me in 20 years time.
Something that creates a problem and high house prices is inheritance.
There are plenty of big ones coming through and have been for the last 20 years.
And then there is the egig boys and girls, some earning very serious cash.
More money than you can imagine.

bobthebldr
bobthebldr
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

I’m in much the same position. grandkids still in teens though.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Get back to work. I don’t pay you to sit around talking shit on here every day.😁

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

a lab/green govt will have you flipping burgers on your 66th bday oldish chap so dont get too cocky.
their wealth taxes and means testing will fuck your arse harder than any gay orgy youve attended!

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

If you can flip burgers or fry fish, you will be employable anywhere.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

It’s all in Trust. I own nothing. Now get back to wanking off dairy cows. I want to buy a new car this year.

Viking
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Og a trust baby? The IRD are coming for you at last.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

^ yup, itll be one of the first things a lab/green govt do.
the right voting boomers are dying out, the left WILL get back in soon and smash anyone with wealth and hidden wealth.

i see norway? is bringing in exit taxes, great idea imo, punish the fleeing rats. we need that here, currently theirs little incentive to stay in nz so that may help and win win cuz 40% of those fleeing to aussue etc are immigrant scum that used us as a stepping stone so we may aswell get something back from the using pieces of shit

FJA
FJA
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Make it a bright line test. Been here less than 10?, 15? years and you pay to leave.

“Welcome to the Hotel Aoteazuela… you can check out any time you like, if you pay to leave.”

Hooker Phil
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

In the main I agree with you S.B. I am certainly aware that todays workers are paying for all benefits amongst other things. If I recall correctly I think I saw the other day that 1 in 7 adults are on a benefit or assistance……..but that did not include those on superannuation. How are those going to have a kiwisaver nestegg by 2040. By the way…is your much better half going to Gore this weekend?

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

An AI query suggests that 40% of working age adults in NZ pay no net tax. Not sure what percentage of that is for legitimate reasons (retired, students, disability, etc.)

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

morning hp, she intends to go but its last on her list as we have a pretty busy weekend incl a wedding to attend but im pretty sure she will make it.

kiwisaver has been running since 2007?, so that would be 33yrs of savings and if no nest egg by then well i dont think any amount of time could prep that person for retirement.

imo the knowledge of free weekly handout as a 65th birthday present makes many complacent and lack personal responsibility. it would be an interesting experiment to see the change in attitudes and savings if it were to be announced its getting phased out.

personally id like to see ALL welfare abolished or bare minimum… bene, pension, wff, social housing etc. its appalling how the safety net is a hammock and how once on it the incentives to work or sort own housing etc is non existent, even punitive.

i can guarantee by time im 65 pension wont exist, or itll be severely limited eligibility. i think many my age and younger can see the writing on the wall and thats why we dont really give a shit about retiring folk now and bemoan paying for it.

its unsustainable plain and simple. those who the old are relying on paying taxes to fund their retirement are fleeing the country in droves. just look at what france is experiencing with pension burden and we’re not far behind.
major changes should happen TODAY but anything govt do will take 20yrs to phase in and successive govts will lengthen that.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  FJA
6 months ago

By the Taxpayer. The Govt tax the shit out of us. Part of that deal is that the Govt provides those aged 65 and over with a weekly payment.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

The government run a deficit.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Not to mention stuffing the economy. NZ was the land of milk and honey with a great economy, plenty of infrastructure and a great work ethic. Everything worked and nearly everyone worked.

Not so much now since the communists wormed their way through the institutions. Now NZ has a howling debt. work shy, gimmie, gimmie, woke snowflakes demanding their share over common sense policies. Gone are the practicalities replaced with feelz.

We did our bit for NZ earning our pension.

Last edited 6 months ago by waikatogirl
Hooker Phil
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

if only I could remember this…. great words

 work shy, gimmie, gimmie, woke snowflakes demanding their share “

Tarquin
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

I’ve worked hard my entire life and being self employed I’ve paid a truck load of tax. Why shouldn’t I get the pension?

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

how much have you put into a kiwisaver account?
you realise roads, hosp etc are all funded by your taxes too?

taxes arent a savings account, theres DEFICIT spending which means you arent paying enough taxes to keep the countries lights on.

i dont think the country owes you or any of us jack shit. look at the entitlement its fucking appalling, if youve done that well and paid sooo much tax then you should have plenty saved for retitement.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Youngins nowadays. Meh.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Why aren’t you back at work?

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

im an unemployed bum 🙂
youve set a bad example hunty, youre not 65 get back to work so Ed can buy wine and crypto!!!!

Hooker Phil
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

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Saggy
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

Esp when you compare it with those that have spent a life bludging on the dole with zero contribution, and then slide into the pension.

FJA
FJA
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

I know three people like that. If I know three, how many must there be?

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

Welfare from the cradle to the grave!

bobthebldr
bobthebldr
Reply to  Sooty
6 months ago

Birth to death….. sperm to worm….erection to resurrection.

Saggy
Reply to  bobthebldr
6 months ago

hatch to despatch

Tarquin
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

From pepi to cooking pot?

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

, Suckling; is when most tender.
Just before weaning.

Viking
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

Ah, yes, now that is the bit that needs sorting.
The question is, if you don’t work or figure out a way to create a retirement income, then why should taxpayers pay you?

Now that excludes those that can’t help themselves or can’t be helped by family, as I believe society is measured by the way it treats those that can’t help themselves.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

they are helped tho, theyre given free education, healthcare, numerous opportunity in life to get jobs/careers etc and earn their own money.
we keep rewarding poor behaviour and bad choices, feed the carrot to a rabbit and bring out the big stick.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

How many snot gobblers/sproggs you got? 🫵 Hope you’re not getting any cash from the govt for them. You grubby hypocrite.. that’s right…

Tarquin
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

Couldn’t agree more, problem is what do you do about it? The other thing worth mentioning is an awful lot of people lost pretty much everything over covid. To be honest we’re still coming right. Plenty of other people I know weren’t so lucky, they did nothing wrong but they lost their jobs and businesses due to the so called kindness of some mad bitch who was way out of her depth. Why would anyone vote for Hipkins who was donkey deep in the plan to wipe out the middle class and make everyone dependent on the government aka communism?

Viking
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

Yep and you can go back to the Ruthenaisa times when the same thing happened. 1997-8-9-2000 2002-3

At least Willis hasn’t taken $20.00 of every beneficiary with and uemployment rate at 11%, which is what that nasty bitch did.
I would give Willis a big plus for ignoring that bitch.
Not so many other things, but definitely that.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

the only thing career dole bludgers should get at 65 is euthanised, id prefer it happen decades earlier tho.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

You should. YOU’VE paid for it.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

did you pay for your heart rebuild hunty?

Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Yes, via my taxes. A HUGE amount of tax.

Viking
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

And grateful for it like me and many others.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

you bragged here plenty of times you made millions in untaxed gains.

btw im not being an arse or hating on you hunty youre just a good example to prove my point… and i know you wont take it to heart abd get super upset like if i used someone else on here as an example.
you earned it all im sure mate, all within the law and rules so literally cant blame you but it just goes to show how bad the rules are and need to change.
im sure youd still live a pretty good life without raping the taxpayer another few hundred bux per week just cuz you had a 65th bday.

Last edited 6 months ago by I am a stupid boy
Mike Hunty
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Must be someone else ya talkin about…

Viking
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

You’re turn today.
He’s still not talking to me.

How sad, never mind.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

Boo!

Curious
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

Super as it stands is a social contract. We supported the super payments to our parents and grandparents now it’s the turn of our children and grandchildren to support us. If SB doesn’t drown himself in the meantime some day his children and grandchildren will help support him. Simple but mostly effective. Yes there are problems. Our parents were extra productive following the war years and the younger generations too concerned about wrecking the planet to get on and have enough kids, coupled with longer life expectancy so the numbers are a bit top heavy at present. A bit of tweaking may be in order to help make it through this bubble but the basic concept is sound. Over the last 40 years like many of the other commentators I have fulfilled my part of the contract and probably paid more than most so don’t tell me that I am getting something I am not entitled to receive.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Curious
6 months ago

Here here! 👏👏👏👏👏

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Curious
6 months ago

you clearly dont understand the huge demographic shift with our population age group.
where there was once 8-10 working age per pensioner will in the next decade or 2 decrease to 4 workers per pensioner… huge burden, and then theres the healthcare for the aging population ontop of that.

imo choose what you want, pension or healthcare for over 65s cuz we sure as fuck cant afford both unless massive tax reform to target the wealthy

Curious
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

I mentioned the demographic shift, I understand that which is why it needs some tweeking. Personally as well as contributing to previous generations I pay most if not all of my super(varies by year) in tax. Yes I know tax covers other things as well but it’s not like it’s all take and no give. I suspect the wealthy like ED, Mikey and Nasska probably pay at least the equivalent in tax as well. You could help by having some more kids or staying in the river longer to increase your income. You are paying tax on your fossicking efforts aren’t you?

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Hospitals should install narrow doorways to keep the fatties out. //

People need to take some responsibility for their own basic health.

Last edited 6 months ago by waikatogirl
Hooker Phil
6 months ago

Just like I love the smell of napalm in the morning cannot beat a good ardern bashing on X

https://x.com/liz_churchill10/status/2023199066872840673?s=64&t=-WtupDi8tgq0kPddHRfP8A

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

And the Cjab had been proven toxic and unnecessary in early 2020. Ardern started stabbing NZers late 2021.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

she just raided clarkEs stash.

The Ancient Hooligan
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

Definitely looks like an overdose of Marching Powder.

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  The Ancient Hooligan
6 months ago

Her drug supplier had a royal warrant from her!

Tarquin
Reply to  Sooty
6 months ago

Not like she didn’t give enough money to the gangs. I imagine she has them on speed dial in more ways than one.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  Hooker Phil
6 months ago

Should be hung in a paddock somewhere.

bobthebldr
bobthebldr
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

…by her testicles

Viking
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Over the Moa Point stinking sewer outfall, so when the gulls finish pecking her eyes out, and the bits start to fall off, she gets the funeral she deserves, dropping to bits at the outfall.

Hooker Phil
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

That sounds about right and fair.

Saggy
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

She looked pretty well hung in the dress

Last edited 6 months ago by Saggy
Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

With all of that dose she would have got a body tune up and make over!

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Saggy
6 months ago

yup, if that wasnt a penis then she has some of the biggest beef curtains in nz…. sorry, hope you have plenty of mind bleach!!! (hunty the sick puppy would still eat it tho)

bobthebldr
bobthebldr
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

…or share it with mrs bobbit

Hooker Phil
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
6 months ago

Just a slight bit of sick came to mind then.

Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Robert Duvalls gone tits up. Good actor. I liked him in Colours with Sean Penn. Played a cool, calm US Cop alongside Penn, who was a young, full of cum newbie.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Robert Duvall in “The Judge”

Mike Hunty
6 months ago

Right. Can’t sit around here all day listening to you moaning and whinging.
Off to Blenheim. 💥

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Mike Hunty
6 months ago

He’s going shopping!

Ross12
6 months ago

No wonder the EU is stuffed given how woke EU Commission has become

https://t.me/thewhiterosenz/197702/341481

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Ross12
6 months ago

Hhhaaaaa.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
6 months ago

Bring back pink, padded walls with bars for dangerous cray cray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNp5vChpeQ
This will radicalize a generation..

Last edited 6 months ago by waikatogirl
Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

Why we are kept in the silenced majority, to be kept ignorant, with all the rewriting, revision, & even as far as totally throwing out of philosophies & histories. !

Hanna Arandt said about lies. :—–
“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.

And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”
– Hannah Arendt
(14 October 1906 – 4 December 1975) German historian and philosopher

Not that I want to be a pessimist, but consider how much our institutions have been changed, that is the whole basis of them.

So where is the truth & what do you base it on?
Are those “truths” being kept & spread into the next generation?

Last edited 6 months ago by Simpleton1
Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

I read recently that Gen Z are turning against the gays and adopting Christianity. Take that, leftards!

nasska
Reply to  Starving Artist
6 months ago

The announcement that “Gen Z are turning against the gays” suggests that a sector of society recognised that homosexuality is a dead end that effectively dooms western civilisation.

The uptake of Xtianity is depressing & indicates that magic still has its appeal. An illusion is still an illusion if it is shared by two people or two billion.

Tarquin
Reply to  nasska
6 months ago

Amen brother!

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
6 months ago
Saggy
Reply to  Starving Artist
6 months ago

Love the pic of the rescue boat. Room for one, and a life ring. Range of about 5nm on a big breakfast.

Alice
6 months ago

In Britain it is generally reckoned that as finance minister Rachael Reeves has been an unmitigated disaster. Now just look what Australia have!!!

https://x.com/van00sa/status/2023315070714007877

How are we ever going to stop electing these absolute clowns into Parliament? 

nasska
Reply to  rightoverlabour
6 months ago

If only the Covid scam had been introduced a few years earlier I might have delayed my vasectomy & been in a position to do my bit to repopulate the earth. 🙂

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  nasska
6 months ago

mate, no need to tell them about the vasectomy!!!! get to work old chap, youll jusy have to try harder

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  rightoverlabour
6 months ago

Thanks rol,
Also interesting on how in the comments, have picked up about Singapore changes in health, which is linked to what Aussie17 has figured in October 2025 & another one December 2025.

Curious
Reply to  rightoverlabour
6 months ago

Well there goes the breeding our way out of the Superannuation crisis.

nasska
Reply to  Curious
6 months ago

I may be able to do my bit. From https://thecooperclinic.co.nz/articles/vasectomy-reversal-new-zealand/#Success_Rates_and_Considerations

“The success rate of vasectomy reversals is variable. Typically, the likelihood of a successful pregnancy following a reversal is greater if the procedure occurs within a decade of the original vasectomy. Success rates can fluctuate between 50% to 90%, influenced by different determinants such as sperm count and the patient’s overall health.”

I’ll wait until the Stud Schedule is fully booked before proceeding further. 🙂

Curious
Reply to  nasska
6 months ago

I suspect the hardest part will be convincing Mrs Nasska that you are only sleeping with young women for the good of the planet.

nasska
Reply to  Curious
6 months ago

You’re not wrong. She has a jealous streak that could be photographed from outer space!

Tarquin
6 months ago

I was reading an article over on red radio about a former kiwi NRL player being shot in a drive by shooting. It saddens me to report it wasn’t Sonny Bill “the muslim” Williams.

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

Who would downvote that? If you are going to shoot a rugby player, an annoying muzzrat seems the best choice.

Hooker Phil
Reply to  Starving Artist
6 months ago

I did

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  Starving Artist
6 months ago

You are right about annoying.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

Just can not be possible or believable, because Australia has so many super strong aspects with regard to “shooting” laws.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/587066/kiwi-nrl-star-matt-utai-believed-shot-in-sydney-drive-by

Ok maybe their are no laws about a boomerangs? which could take one down if it hits one in a critical body part.

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  Editor
6 months ago

Refute this if you can

Without a word of a lie, as I quote again from above. 😏

Hanna Arandt said about lies. :—–
“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.

And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”
– Hannah Arendt
(14 October 1906 – 4 December 1975) German historian and philosopher

So it is all geared up in so many ways, to repeat the biggest lie until it is so confusing or figured to be the truth & at the risk of repeating.
So the template from some of the great liars of our history is used against us.

 The Mind of Adolf Hitler in 1972. Langer stated of the dictator:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off;

never admit a fault or wrong;

never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;

never leave room for alternatives;

never accept blame;

concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;

people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;

and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

A somewhat similar quote appears in the 1943 Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler: With Predictions of His Future Behaviour and Suggestions for Dealing with Him Now and After Germany’s Surrender, by Henry A. Murray:

… never to admit a fault or wrong;

never to accept blame;

concentrate on one enemy at a time;

blame that enemy for everything that goes wrong;

take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind.

So it may be messy, & bought a tragedy on 80 years ago, but only a few seem to see this ongoing threading of lies into everything around us.

What price to pay get us out of this enslavement?

Last edited 6 months ago by Simpleton1
waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Simpleton1
6 months ago

Heard it all before Winnie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookkrq8IZT8
Winston Peters’ Maori Seats Referendum: Political Masterstroke or Re-run?
Duncan Garner Podcast

Winston Peters has dusted off his 2017 policy to hold a referendum on the future of the Maori seats. In this episode, we ask if Peters is serious this time or just playing smart politics to squeeze ACT and National.
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Tarquin
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

I suspect this may be a precursor to shouting at clouds or just another Winston rinse and repeat.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Tarquin
6 months ago

Flag waving by the old war horse

Simpleton1
Simpleton1
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

John Key looked to wave & referendum a new & different flag, to unite us.

Chloe Swarbrick is very happy to wave and import “culture wars” with the newish flag “From the River to the Sea” to bring about a “global intifada” from the Middle East.

Te Partli seems to revolve around a mixture of flags, with the recent 1989 Tino Rangatiratanga flag, recognized by Cabinet in 2009..
Or the 1835 United Tribes flag that later morphed into the house flag of Shaw Savill and Co. (later Shaw Savill and Albion), the British shipping line that carried more European settlers here than did any other.

The Labour Party’s flag or banner being the ole “The Red Flag”, doubling as their anthem.
Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its folds, we’ll live and die.
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
we’ll keep the red flag flying here

David Seymour did find that colour yellow;
matched the “Bandera” Ukraine flag.

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nasska
Reply to  Simpleton1
6 months ago

I prefer the latest rewrite:

The cloth cap and the working class
As images are dated.
In Mandleson and Blair’s regime
All lefties are frustrated.
By snappy soundbites, they have planned
To institute the promised land.
And just show that they’re still sincere,
They sing the Red Flag once a year.

Firm principles and policies
Are open to objections,
And a streamlined party image is
The way to win elections.
So raise the avocados high,
The mobile phone and Fettes tie.
They stand united, raise a cheer
And sing the Red Flag once a year.

It’s one step forward, two steps back,
Their dance is not so daring
A rightwards shuffle, the poor attacked,
A pause to take a bearing.
They’ll change the country bit by bit
So nobody will notice it.
Then ever after never fear
They’ll sing the Red Flag once a year.

No matter how far Tories go
New Labour’s there before they know.
Jack Straw may be a piece of s**te
But he’s right-wing, so he’s all right;
And when he makes a hash of it,
Claire Short provides some real ‘good shit’.
Illiberal they may appear –
The Red Flag floats high once a year.

They will not cease from mental fight
Till every wrong is righted,
And all men are equal, quite,
And all their leaders knighted.
For they are sure, if they persist
To make the New Year’s honours list
Then every loyal Labour peer
Will sing the Red Flag once a year.

The colour red has had to go
In place of pale pistachio –
They dance to every tabloid’s tune
And red flags just fly over tombs.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
Reply to  Editor
6 months ago

More ignorant lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax8rNVE-Tx0
Michael Laws says Debbie Ngarewa-Packer’s latest hate-filled diatribe will incite future tragedy.

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Saggy
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

She is a genuinely nasty piece of work. Doesn’t say much about the people who vote for her.

Mike Hunty
Reply to  waikatogirl
6 months ago

Packer gets farrrrr too much air time.

waikatogirl
waikatogirl
6 months ago

The US podcasters reaction is hilarious. 🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1fBy3dViE
Rupert Lowe reveals his party policies

Oh my f***ing GOD..
Asmongold TV

“Yes I’d vote for him”

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nasska
6 months ago

Not everyone hates Muslims. 

Mosquitoes find them very attractive. 

Viking
6 months ago

DELAYING CHILDBIRTH
StatsNZ is pointing out that updated demographic data shows the proportion of births to mothers aged under 25 years in 2025 reached a record low of 1 in 7 births, half of what it was a generation ago. There were 57,705 live births registered in 2025. In 1995 (around one generation ago), the number of births was similar, with 57,672 live births registered that year. In 1965 (around two generations ago), the number of births was slightly higher, at 60,045. Fourteen percent of births in 2025 were to mothers aged under 25 years (‘younger mothers’). This is down from 28 percent in 1995, and 46 percent in 1965. The median age of mothers who gave birth in 2025 was 31.7 years, up from 28.6 years in 1995 and 25.5 years in 1965.
MORE INDIGESTION
Results from the latest survey for the Reserve Bank show a sharp rise in expectation by businesses of the level of inflation in two-year’s time – which is the key timeframe the RBNZ looks at.

Viking
6 months ago

Infrastructure plan pushes for user‑pays shift and tough calls on roads
ew Zealand’s first national infrastructure plan reveals a widening gap between what the country wants to build, what it’s getting and what it can actually pay for
With costs escalating, alongside severe risks from natural hazards, the Infrastructure Commission is pushing for an overhaul. Users should largely pay for roading, telecommunication and water infrastructure, more money needs to be pumped into hospitals, and the country needs a complete catch up to lift water asset conditions and meet quality standards.
The plan, released by the Infrastructure Commission on Tuesday, laid out the risk of the way the country invests in infrastructure, saying if it doesn’t change, New Zealanders could miss out on the hospitals, schools, water systems, telecommunications and transport networks “they expect and deserve”.
“If we continue with the status quo, we’ll fall further behind,” the plan states. 
The framework outlines guidance of what NZ can afford to spend over the next 30 years. Part of that recommended roads, telecommunications and water infrastructure national networks be funded by users to “free up general taxes to pay for social infrastructure such as hospitals and schools”.

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/137237/infrastructure-plan-pushes-user%E2%80%91pays-shift-and-tough-calls-roads

Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop said many of the Commission’s recommendations reflected work already underway by the Government.
“We will be studying these recommendations carefully and the Government will publish a response to the plan in June 2026,” he said. 
“Infrastructure lasts for generations. Where we can build durable consensus, we should.”
Bishop said the country has real challenges ahead. 
“We spend a lot on infrastructure – around 5.8% of GDP annually over the last 20 years, one of the highest in the OECD – yet we rank towards the bottom for efficiency, and fourth to last in the OECD for asset management. 
“Many central government agencies do not properly understand what they own or have long-term investment plans. The assurance system for new projects and long-term investments is fragmented and inconsistent.”

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Viking
6 months ago

further to this morning.
Changing the NZ Super age won’t fix the country’s retirement system problems on its own, panel says at New Zealand Economics Forum, as Labour leader raises concern about ‘arbitrary raise’ in retirement age

Labour leader Chris Hipkins says there’s big questions for us as a country about how we fund superannuation in the long-term, but raising the age of eligibility isn’t one of those questions.
His comment comes after a panel discussion at the New Zealand Economics Forum in Hamilton last week, where the panel spoke about whether the system could keep up, the age of retirement, life expectancy, and potential tweaks and their impacts on the economy and future generations.
Facilitator and former politician Steven Joyce, ANZ chief economist Sharon Zollner, Milford Asset Management chief executive Blair Turnbull, Barrister and former politician David Parker, and Aged Care Association chief executive and former politician Tracey Martin made up the panel.
Part of the panel’s discussion was about how the retirement age would need to be raised to 72 or 73.
When asked about this on Monday, Hipkins told reporters he was concerned about “an arbitrary raise” in the retirement age.

“It would potentially cause significant hardship for New Zealanders who can’t work beyond 65,” he said.

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/137233/changing-nz-super-age-won%E2%80%99t-fix-countrys-retirement-system-problems-its-own

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Viking
6 months ago

one can stop working at any time, theyre not recommending forcing anyone to work beyond 65 but just the free handout dosent start until 72 or 73.
keep kiwisaver draw down at 65 and sweet as, those that are too broken to work can live off that for 7 or 8 years before the bene kicks in.

nasska
6 months ago

There are some tasks that AI can’t perform. For perverted sex acts see Hunty @ Rentadeviant. For everything else there’s https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/38126733/ai-rentahuman-agents-robot-tasks-jobs-paid/

#. “the website claims to be an attempt to link up the agents with humans in a futuristic task-market.”

#. “AI can’t touch grass. You can. Get paid when agents need someone in the real world,”

It seems that vacancies are likely in the following potential categories:

  • Physical tasks
  • Meetings
  • Errands
  • Research
  • Documentation
  • Food tasting
  • Pet care
  • Home services
  • Transportation
  • Other

If you’re a bit short of the readies for your next bladder of cheap red join the queue The website says that it has more than 115,000 rentable humans on its books right now.

nasska
6 months ago

Jafas! You just have to love them. No matter how hard they’re kicked, what they pay for substandard housing, who they invite into their neighbourhood or what their council does to them they lube up, take it up the arse & prepare for the next fucking.

Such a reaming is being proposed as the ancient bridge which carries many Jafas over the Waitemata Settling Ponds Harbour daily proves not to be up to the demands of modern day traffic. New Zealand’s first National Infrastructure Plan, released by Te Waihanga (I can’t be bothered looking what it is) recommends “a $9 toll to cross the harbour bridge.” Each way!

I can actually recall my old man bitching over the 2/6d it cost when we drove across it circa 1962. About $14 in today’s coin but the tolls were only connected on south bound traffic. Tolls were abolished in 1984.

I have mutton fat available in bulk quantities for any Aucklanders wanting an economic way to reduce the pain. 🙂

Sooty
Sooty
Reply to  nasska
6 months ago

That word means grifting cunts.
Yo don’t have to look it up!

Curious
6 months ago

Just watching a bit of the cricket 20 20 world cup NZ vs Canada. Camera showed a photo of the Canadian team, the whole team was from the sub continent, not a single canadian original amongst them.

Sooty
Sooty
6 months ago

Lead meme. You sure it shouldn’t look like a deflated sex doll?

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