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MT_Tinman
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MT_Tinman
DifferentPerspective
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DifferentPerspective

Rule 4 – Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules!

And I still disagree. We have to use their evil Alinsky Rules against them. We have to do it until they’re sick to the back teeth of it, we have to do it until they dare not make politics so personal ever again. We need to make them eat the shit that they’ve been forcing down our collective throats for 10 years now.

There is no middle ground in this battle, there is no high road, there is no ‘being the better person’. This is a fight where nice guys finish last, if conservative voices are going to be banned, de-platformed, excluded, assaulted, de-personned, Emmanuel Goldsteined, hate-speeched, censored, excluded for saying something slightly edgy – then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

We are in a world where the power of social media can Goldsteined by the faux outrage or offence of the offence archaeologists of the activist left – they must be made to live up to their own standards until the silenced voices (Milo, Brash, Benjamen, Robinson, Brave Company, James Woods, Southern, Molyneux, Petersen etc ad infinitum) are freed from the social media Gulags.

Your approach is the one that will lead to loss of our freedoms and the end of the beautiful society that is New Zealand. Turning the other cheek does not work with the nihilistic monsters of the left.

Talking nicely to the German troops in the Normandy towns and hedgerows wouldn’t have worked, this is a battle no less important and no less vicious, it’s not going to work in the culture war that is being waged all around us.

Remember Rule 12 – the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. If the attack on Jo Brand (and every other Jo Brand that follows) is successful, then maybe the ‘offenderati’ of the Left will stop trying to have people fired for having the “wrong” opinions.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Jordan Williams and the ‘Stroke’ Phil reference is causing outrage currently. There used to be this thing called ‘bad taste’, it is still going strong I see. But no-one was remotely likely to get physically hurt.

Lizziep
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Lizziep

A very ill thought out thing to say. Stupid is as stupid was. Jo Brand is a rabid socialist. Inciting violence always is wrong, and while she said joke, so many mentally challenged would think it a good idea.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Going forward, I hope Jo Brand recognises her own hypocrisy and defends someone on the right for their humour and the right to free speech expression.

freethinker
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freethinker

Jo Brand has always been a deliberately nasty person using controversial speech to inflate her ego and supposed popularity.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

True, and her quick wit shows her true sentiments.

Colinxy
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Colinxy

The British do not have any freedom of speech anymore.

The question becomes, how do the British get their freedom of speech back?

The Swedish and Left-leaning author Astrid Lindgren in 1976 had a marginal income tax rate of 102%! It was only due to her status as the author of Pippi Longstocking that got any movement to change this absurdity.

What does this story have to do with anything?

It will take a high profile Leftist getting screwed over for things to change, i.e. both Leftists and Rightists will join together to get rid of this awful state of affairs. Perhaps Brand will be that figure.

Also, Brand deserves to be hoisted by her own petard. As the article you linked stated, Brand is no friend to freedom of speech. She loathes it in others (the daughter of Margaret Thatcher in said article). Maybe when her ideology bites her in her arse will it dawn on her that she’s been an unfunny idiot.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Am I the only one that thinks that it is funny that he owns an ‘organ’ museum?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113479422/tararua-man-cuts-phallus-from-carving-representing-rangitne-whakapapa

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

I am sure that it should be Rangitane. Anyway, I note that it wasn’t a small penis. Did there need to be a penis at all in that sort of setting? Should there have been a parental warning on the track or in advertising literature? Should that feature of the walk be promoted? And the most important question, can they glue it back on?

ducklin71
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ducklin71

Lorena Bobbit lol

Stars And Stripes
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Stars And Stripes

Not sure personally what is worst in this story, a religious fundy taking the law into his own hands or a statue being erected which appeals to primitive age superstitions which NZ should consign to the dustbin of history.
Mainstream European society left behind the belief in witches,spirits and other associated mumbo jumbo long ago but when it comes to Maori these same beliefs in mythical gods, spirits etc are something which are still given official consideration and even looked upon as things which we should be proud of.
From where I stand all this stuff is nothing but an embarrassment as it portrays backwardness and ignorance, exactly the same things we see play out in shit hole countries overseas everyday of the week.

nasska
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nasska

…..”Mainstream European society left behind the belief in witches,spirits and other associated mumbo jumbo long ago”……

Wishful thinking. Tomorrow morning thousands of the deluded will park their arses on hard pews to worship what doesn’t exist.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Probably not penis worshippers.

Sooty
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Sooty

Was it Hugh Hefner that had a bronze statue with a large gong that the ladies would dare each other?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Not a flaccid one then, like the articles one?

ducklin71
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ducklin71

What a puss of a man- it’s a sign of fertility dumb-ass. Guys have dicks. Get over it.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Do we really need more fertility?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

This happened March 13 2019 and he used a Go Pro. White Supremacist? Justice can be swift.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113501466/mormon-church-arsonist-sentenced-to-nearly-seven-years-imprisonment

Pascal
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Pascal

Unless you’re involved in the Labour Youth Camp sex offending scandal and have a political connection in the Labour party. Then justice gets dragged on until the judge dismisses it for “inability to have a fair trial”.

Harvey
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Harvey

And yet the Labour Youth camp fiddler is yet to be held to account.
Queue jumping in reverse?

nasska
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nasska

One of our fellow commenters has done the hard yards & circumnavigated the obstacles to open justice:

……”Labour Youth Conference Sex Scandal update on Court Hearing-
The reference number for the case is CRI-2018-004-005593. The Jury trial will commence on 2 September 2019 at 10am at the Auckland District Court. The trial courtroom has not been allocated yet. If you are attending the trial on that day, please proceed to the Auckland DC Criminal Counter in Level 1 to get the courtroom number. The counter staff will direct you to the trial courtroom. “……

Ref: YSB May 21, 2019 3:29 pm

Sooty
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Sooty

Just imagine what he would have got for a sentence if it was a mosque!
The tea towel would have shredded!

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

I took myself along to listen to Simeon Browne at Tim McIndoe’s monthly forum in Hamilton yesterday, he is a confident speaker and very together.

I asked him why he wasn’t the one going toe to toe with Chloe regarding the cannabis referendum. I think that Paula Bennet is doing a great job as spokesperson with the press, and I agree to a degree, with her stance that a senior politician should not be engaging with a newby, but if the appeal of Chloe is her youth and presumed ability getting it over the line, then Simeon who is the second youngest parliamentarian and holding an opposing view could maybe best counter her narrative. If Paula is not going to engage with Chloe, surely someone on the team needs to.

The one thing that both Tim and Simeon reiterated was that despite the PM being coy about her stance regarding the referendum, it would not be happening at all without her blessing and that people do not usually hold referendums unless they want to change the status quo.

I do so dislike only being accorded one question but I did manage to wrangle the microphone a second time to ask, Tim and Simeon why we had no representative at the D-Day commemorations. The GG did not count she represents the Queen when the Queen cannot be somewhere, the Queen was there, so how could the GG be place holding for NZ?

Their reply was that only Jacinda would know. I did speak to them both after the meeting to emphasise the point that it was a subject that would resonate with the public and questions needed to be asked and answered.

Tim said that he would ask Mark Mitchel regarding when Jacinda refused the invitation to attend and even why Ron Mark hadn’t gone, let’s face it they have gone on a junket for less reason and less representative of our past.

I can appreciate that the budget has preoccupied Parliament, but Tim’s response was that Jacinda wasn’t likely to go in budget week, but who chose when the budget was to come out if there was going to be a conflict. Simeon thought that it was to do with Trump. Neither is an excuse. D-Day has been D-Day for 75 years if there was a conflict the budget could be moved. Jacinda was only in the house for one day anyway so was neither use nor ornament.

DifferentPerspective
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DifferentPerspective

Thank you Rachael for asking the tough questions. Did you get any sense at all that there is a return to sanity with National or are they still wedded to the Labour Lite path?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Well, that issue didn’t seem to have resonated with them, I felt that it should have.

On one hand, they get accused of not sticking it to the government when they have them on the ropes, so I understand why the budget debacle has had to take centre stage, from my personal perspective, since Jacinda couldn’t bring herself to commemorate D-Day then what she said at ANZAC day 2019 was just lip service and surely has to have lacked sincerity, as I cannot separate the two as far as sentiments go.

Jacinda Ardern called for a commitment to peace in her Anzac Day speech at Auckland Domain.

Thousands turned up for Thursday morning’s Dawn Service, against a backdrop of heightened security.

Calls for justice after WWI crosses destroyed before Anzac Day
Anzac Day still sacred occasion for New Zealand – Defence Force
Anzac Day 2019: Muslim communities volunteer at Dawn Services
The Prime Minister was emotional as she spoke to the assembled, with the Christchurch terror attack still fresh in her mind.

“Anzac Day reminds us of so many things – sacrifice, loss, the service of others and the need for all of us to continually honour those who served to through our acts of remembrance and our defence of peace.

“But it also reminds us of a singular truth through the ages, through wars past and present – it reminds us of our shared humanity, something we have been reminded of again in the wake of the 15th of March.”

Fifty people were killed when a gunman opened fire inside the Al Noor (Deans Ave) and Linwood Ave mosques on Friday, March 15.

Ardern said as the country remembers those who served, we should also commit to shared values.

“Let us recommit to those simple values of freedom, democracy and peace.

“Just as we have never taken for granted the loss of life by those who served on our behalf, so too must we never take for granted these principles.”

She shared a similar message on Facebook, in a video recorded from her office on the ninth floor of the Beehive.

“On this Anzac Day we remember all our veterans and their families, and acknowledge and thank all those who continue to serve on our behalf. Today we remember, we commemorate, and we recommit to peace,” she wrote in the video’s caption.

Viking
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Why would you expect a couple of well-heeled kids to understand what D -Day meant to many others?
Had a discussion yesterday with a business acquaintance who has a Chinese wife. They had just returned from Hong Kong and we talked about their visit into Macau, North Korea and China. It would seem that we really have no idea what goes on up there. The overriding thing that comes through though is the Nationalism of people in these countries. Same for America but no true anymore for NZ.
Our Nationalism has been overridden by the TOW nonsense that is now taken over our past history and changed the narrative forever.
So many people have no idea of the truth anymore.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Why? Because it should be in all of our DNA. It is damn well in mine. Perhaps Jacinda shouldn’t speak at ANZAC day next year as it is not a subject of importance to her. How can she say that it is, a) while she is eroding our existing rights and b) Not attending with our allies and for god sake our foes.

Good on Mike Hosking, but for that to be the end of it is shocking to me.

Capricorn One
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Capricorn One

I find it staggering that nobody in National is attacking Ardern for the D-Day snub! (Lots of people on Social Media/Talkback were shocked/horrified by it)
I could forgive her non attendance if she had bothered to attend the NZ Services but she literally didn’t give a fuck…

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

If it hadn’t been for the British press on repeat, there would have been no coverage here, where was our local commemoration?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Now you know that the new Naval ship had to be launched right then and there. I am sure the Navy would rather have been thinking about comrades and showing their respect. Ron Mark there as well, how insulting.

Sorry people, but I think I will be banging on about it for a while, I am incensed, and not in a nice smelling way.

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

Adern has disappeared from sight once again. It seems whenever she shows up lately she is getting less than positive questions about her coalition of losers and their lack of ability, so she has taken to staying out of the limelight unless absolutely needed to front as PM.

ducklin71
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ducklin71

We used guns that day. LOTS of guns. JA hates guns. D-Day would not have happened with people like her in charge. She especially hates the USA. It was a big fat snub.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

And yet our police force is becoming increasingly armed to protect us from other people. Jacinda is a Senior police officers daughter, so she does know how it works and probably grew up knowing what are now Senior Police officers.

I wonder if they will strike?

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

Thanks for the feedback Rachael. It is amazing the PM’s no-show at D-Day did not register with National as a failure by Cindy to do her duty for the NZ people.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

I assume that Tim will follow through, so if he replies to me with the answers on facebook I will pass it on. If I do not hear from him, I am sure that he knows that I will be asking him at the next forum, I will make sure that I go, perhaps other people could message him about it also if it is a matter of concern to them and now that he has been made aware of it as an issue.

When I posed the question there was a murmur amongst his crowd and someone piped up with the ‘I can’t be everywhere at once’, that was Jacindas response to the query. Hopefully, that persuaded him.

One other thing that I liked about Simeon was when he referred to synthetics as synthetic drugs, not synthetic cannabis. While they are persuading us that cannabis is benign and should be legalised people are dying of synthetic drugs, marketed often as synthetic cannabis.

A while ago I bought some Isopropyl alcohol from Mitre 10, I bought 4 litres. The saleswoman who was a former cop, informed me that it was used in the manufacture of methamphetamine, after reassuring me that she didn’t think that that was what I wanted it for, I got curious when I got home and googled it. She was right to a degree that it can be used for that, but you would be lucky if that was the case.

The list of toxic chemicals that are used in its manufacture was very illuminating, I had also bought drain-cleaner which can also be used, much cheaper.

http://www.wvlegislature.gov/joint/PubInfo/NewsArticles/2004/files/meth%20makers%20use%20toxic%20recipe%20of%20common%20items.htm

Common chemicals used to make methamphetamine include: alcohol (isopropyl or rubbing alcohol), toluene (brake cleaner), ether (engine starter), sulfuric acid (drain cleaner), red phosphorus (matches or road flares), salt (table or rock), iodine (teat dip or crystals), lithium (batteries), trichloroethane (gun scrubber), MSM (cutting agent), sodium metal, methyl alcohol (gasoline additives), muriatic acid, anhydrous ammonia (farm fertilizer), sodium hydroxide (lye), pseudoephedrine (cold tablets), ephedrine (cold tablets), acetone and cat litter.

TJF
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TJF

I guess we have to leave it to Mike Hosking to hold the mad queens feet over the fire as National do not appear interested.

We need a strong opposition not a Liabor lite.

Lizziep
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Lizziep

I was also at that meeting yesterday and was surprised at the two National MPs response to Rachael’s question regarding Jacinda’s lack of respect in not attending. But… they are not forceful people regarding what is going on in parliament. Both men are very respectful of both sides, where as I think we do need a bit of hard ass in the National party, people who won’t let things go, a bit of mongrel is necessary, MPs who will speak out against what is going on. But who is up for it? The disrespect for our culture by the col is disgusting. Thank you Rachael it would be great if you are able to put Tim’s response on the blog here.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Feel free to say hello if you see me again.

Lizziep
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Lizziep

Will do. Cheers

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

And knives (the forgotten symbol) stab people themselves.

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

Safety advocates are questioning whether police are missing in action 0n New Zealand roads.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/fatalities-rise-advocates-question-police-reduction-road-safety-enforcement?auto=6048172407001

After 20 months in power the CoL are going to have to stop blaming the previous govt for not producing results.

TJF
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TJF

That screeching yank from the Greens really pisses me off with her holy than thou attitude. Get on ya bike and bugger off into the sun set.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Yes, because the US is going to give up their cars. Pfft.

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

JAG always looks angry. Just looking at her permanent scowl and whiny shouty voice gives me a migrane! Perhaps she would be happier if she moved home to California? I know my “well being” would improve if I no longer had to look at her.

Viking
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Viking

Sage is even worse and more vitriolic.

ducklin71
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ducklin71

She’s a Yank like me? Sorry everybody! My apologies on behalf of the USA lol

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

You’re chalk and cheese ducklin. ?

Maggy Wassilieff
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Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George slowing down on his blog site
https://yournz.org/2019/06/15/announcement-a-major-change/

Sooty
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Sooty

Not enough visitors?
So is he going to infest other peoples blogs like Hughie?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Is he so bad? Holysheet seems happy enough to pick up the mantle for now, who knows how he will feel in 8 years time.

I felt that DPF had come under pressure to make changes, perhaps Pete George has too, if so, that is very scary indeed.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Do you think that his posters would find a happy home here? Has anyone put a link there to here?

Capricorn One
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Capricorn One

“Do you think that his posters would find a happy home here? ”

What? Both of them??

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Yes? I don’t have a login over there, but hey two is two lol. Holysheet can do the ‘interview’.

howitis
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howitis

Quality not quantity, please.

howitis
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howitis

Oh, Jesus, god, no!
as per Dustin Hoffman in ‘the Graduate’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFARm2j38c
The Graduate (finale)
at 1.37

Presumably this pest will go back to KB to get down ticked regularly.
We don’t want him here.
I’m pretty sure our esteemed host a few weeks ago said he would not let this silly old coot onto YSB.

Pete George pan-fries himself in his own sanctimony.
Sheriff Pete of Dunedin can ride in on his WordPress horse and keep us all in line..NOT!

wiseowl
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wiseowl

Find PG a bit thick myself..

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Do you just read or contribute Maggy?

Maggy Wassilieff
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Maggy Wassilieff

Mainly I just look over what topics P.G. covered each day. A lot of what he posts on doesn’t interest me… especially all the anti-Trump stuff. He is very pro- Climate Change and I’d comment on some of that… but then Griff arrived on the site (and now Dennis Horne) and I’d need to ask P.G. to remove Griff’s personal abuse from his site…. as P.G. didn’t put a time when each post went up, I could never tell how long Griff’s venom had been up on P.G’s site.

P.G. also seemed to have a fairly limited set of regular commenters.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

I can’t speak for Holysheet, but he seems happy to get contributors, I doubt if he would mind you posting a link to here, there if you felt like it, I know that it has been done over at Kiwiblog and I see Melahi has posted there with an internal link to YSB, but today would be the day.

DigNap15
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DigNap15

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/113499469/man-arrested-after-racist-confrontation-with-mosque-victims-outside-christchurch-courts
The guy is a hero to me. (He has the guts to say what I think many of us privately believe)
They need lots more guys like this in Europe to give muslims the message that they are not wanted by most people.

Alice
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Alice

Funny I must have missed this story on the Stuff website and since I never watch our appalling TVNZ I was unaware of this latest example of transgender insanity until just now:

https://barbwire.com/brazilian-press-say-emasculation-of-boy-by-lesbians-to-make-him-a-girl-not-related-to-homosexual-behavior/

https://pluralist.com/rhuan-maycon-da-silva-castro/

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

That is horrific, that poor little boy would always have been told that he wasn’t good enough as a male and then to be mutilated as well.

As there is no social welfare system there that necessitates keeping an unwanted child, why on earth didn’t the mother (I use the term loosely) let the father raise him?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
wiseowl
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wiseowl

I saw a cyclist on the cycle way today.
Don’t know what to do.

howitis
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howitis

It could have been me in weekend warrior mode.
It was really nice around 10am.
There are a lot of dead leaves on the road at present making it almost as greasy as Ardern’s interviews.

I went along the St Lukes cycle way just so someone was on it this week.
All those $million$ otherwise being massively underutilised.
I drive alongside it several times a week and have yet to see a bike in the last few years.

The hijacking of motorist funds to channel into the competition is immoral.
This happened for 30 years until stopped last decade. It has begun again.

Rocky
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Rocky

Another great example of the COL’s “we know best and we will do it our way” from Jones. This is about the sealing of 10k’s of gravel road leading to Lake Waikaremoana. He is now calling the locals hillbillies for resisting it. SH 38 either side of Waikaremoana has long stretches of unsealed road, mostly between Waikaremoana and Murupara. Like the residents in and around Waikaremoana, the residents of Ruatahuna have long resisted the sealing of gravel stretches of road. Why?
When I lived in Wairoa in the early 80’s the idea of sealing was bandied about. This would turn SH38 into a easy drive between Rotorua and Wairoa. As it is now in gravel, only the really keen tourists, hunters and fishermen go there. Sealing the road will increase traffic, accidents, rubbish and resentment of the population who want things to stay as they are. The camping grounds along the way will become hangouts for the disruptive and unruly.
The population made it quite clear back then that any attempt to lay seal would be thwarted. Everyone knew what that meant! Leave the place alone Shane!..it is beautifully isolated and the population and visitors want it to stay that way, not put up with your arrogant meddling.

Viking
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Viking

Well, you are wrong.
Last time I was down there the seal is well towards the lake. Further, there was an experimental piece done to test a new type of surface.

https://www.facebook.com/waikaremoanataraipara/?ref=search&__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARCPhFI-HVJojZ2PQxbCC9pdyaP7eUb6TMiwUTE-TuCr848ZRmyZCeiIW90jTNjLbB7yEBJ9ON9itHbg

See the post of 11.6.19

The road is already well travelled by tourists as GPS doesn’t differentiate roads.

The camp has been refurbished and there is a new visitor centre as you go into the camp. It is similar to the centre in Taneatua.
You will find posts on all that on the FB page as well.

Viking
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Viking
Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Why do you think that there is an issue with sealing the road then?
Locals have things foisted on them by central or local government all of the time.

Rocky
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Rocky

Why do I think there was an issue, DUH, read my post!

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Sorry, yes I did read yours and then Viking posted conflicting information so it didn’t sound like progress was absolutely shunned.

The question was to Viking.

Rocky
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Rocky

Sorry, and thank you for the correction

Viking
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Viking

Read what they said in the post. It is Tuhoe country and they are trialling a new product. They don’t care for Mr Jones. They are encouraging tourism in their own way. The “ratbags” that caused trouble did so because of the way they were treated when DOC took over from Forest Service. My favourite place in the world.

Rocky
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Rocky

What am I wrong about? Everything I said is factual. I wasnt talking about GPS, visitors centres or Taneatua.

Viking
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Viking

The road. It has been sealed almost to the lake. Yes, they used to say it would never be sealed but that changed. Plenty of tourist vehicles on the road as well.

Viking
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Viking

You are wrong about the road and the tourists. They have been actively encouraging tourists both to the Lake and to Ruatahuna where there is also a new centre. Pics of which can be found on the FB page.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

is it really for the reasons that they say, or is domestic travel under greater scrutiny?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/113510111/straight-to-the-gate-no-more-air-new-zealand-changes-domestic-checkin-process

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
Tauhei Notts
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Tauhei Notts

I got ten demerit points, on another site, one time when using the term Butt Plug Bandits on a post about our current Minister of Finance.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Memories eh lol, it is quite evocative.

nasska
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nasska

Two aliens abduct the Finance Minister. Back at the spaceship, the 1st alien says, “Right then, are you ready with the anal probe?”

“The other alien says, “I don’t think we’ll need it, mate. Just give me a torch.”

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
ducklin71
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ducklin71

She’d have made another two to make up for it. Taxpayer dollars hard at work. Pathetic person she is. As a father I am disgusted.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

As she works, she must have childcare options, why take the baby to play the pokies.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
Viking
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Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Tova was almost ‘nice’.

Capricorn One
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Capricorn One

How are ‘Neo Nazis’ throwing Nazi salutes any more offensive than the Mongrel Mob using them?
For that matter- Why is Nazi symbolism offensive but Communist symbolism celebrated??? (We all know who murdered more..)

wiseowl
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wiseowl

Seymour is right .

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl
Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

That is a great shame, the first Tim McIndoe Monthly Forum that I went to had Sir Anan Satyanand as the guest speaker. I think that they will be gutted.

The panel was considerately chosen, not a huge budget. Did she ask about the support person before she got there? Every victim would have specific requirements and the panel can’t be expected to be mind readers.

The whole process or the impression that I got about it was that it would, if nothing else, have been cathartic for the victims. But if I was a victim who was spilling their guts and reliving a trauma, if you’re not getting paid, you would at least want to feel validated.

I think on this one, that the intentions were good. Hopefully, not everyone has had the same experience, and if so I guess we will hear a string of similar stories.

I often don’t think there is much to be gained from dragging back up that which has healed or dulled or something. It just becomes raw again.

It is possibly an interesting parallel that while that Royal Commission is opening up old wounds, we have Oranga Tamariki having to uplift children and put them into State care.

I do wonder about the parents of those children who were taken into State care, do they feel any guilt?
Accept any blame, any responsibility?

What a sad tragic Royal Commission it must be hearing the saddest tales, how depressing, you would hardly be looking forward to the day.

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

Falling asleep when victims are giving testimony is the height of disrespect. I have had respect for Sir Anan Satyanand but sadly another that looks to be too old to stay awake. Perhaps it is time to retire some of the OAP’ers from their highly paid govt appointments?

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

That would have made me feel invalidated.

But maybe not retired from this one as it is for victims. There are prosecutions that can come from some of the evidence, the Commission can refer matters to the Police IIRC.

If the perpetrators haven’t been held to account then they need to be. They were agents of the State, the abuse was not committed by the State.

The buck just stops at the State.

nasska
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nasska

…..”the Commission can refer matters to the Police IIRC.”…..

From https://www.abuseinstatecare.royalcommission.govt.nz/Help

….”No, the Royal Commission is not able to advance a case in the courts. In some cases, we may refer people to the Police if they wish to make a formal complaint about criminal offending.”……

In any case as the terms of the Commissioner refer to the years 1950 to 1999. I strongly suspect that the majority of the abusers will be senile or dead by now.

I remain unconvinced that the Commission is going to accomplish anything useful. Its stated purpose is to prevent further abuse yet a cynic would see it as a new level of victim creation. For a few of the mistreated it will draw a line under their experiences but for the majority it will re picking the scabs off old wounds.

Chuck Bird
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Chuck Bird

He was not asleep but in deep contemplation.

Sooty
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Sooty

Imagine if you will him and Whinney in a meeting together!

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
Viking
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Viking
Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery
Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Everybody loves NZ. 40% of partnership requests denied this year apparently.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/392126/woman-separated-from-family-as-appeal-over-visa-drags-on

waikatogirl
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waikatogirl

She is a grandmother. He looks younger but it doesn’t say what the age difference is.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

Sounds like he will have his hands full coming to look after 3 invalids, sounds like hard work.

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

David Seymour going for the headline, he has gotten a puff of wind in his sails and he’s off.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/david-seymour-faces-backlash-over-freedom-to-speak-bill.html

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery

It was nearly 100 years old. They will never get the farm back. Short sighted?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/113089788/99-years-and-bust–what-now-for-taratahi-farm-training-school

Rachael Membery
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Rachael Membery