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    • Rule 4 – Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules!

      And I still disagree. We have to use their evil Alinsky Rules against them. We have to do it until they’re sick to the back teeth of it, we have to do it until they dare not make politics so personal ever again. We need to make them eat the shit that they’ve been forcing down our collective throats for 10 years now.

      There is no middle ground in this battle, there is no high road, there is no ‘being the better person’. This is a fight where nice guys finish last, if conservative voices are going to be banned, de-platformed, excluded, assaulted, de-personned, Emmanuel Goldsteined, hate-speeched, censored, excluded for saying something slightly edgy – then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

      We are in a world where the power of social media can Goldsteined by the faux outrage or offence of the offence archaeologists of the activist left – they must be made to live up to their own standards until the silenced voices (Milo, Brash, Benjamen, Robinson, Brave Company, James Woods, Southern, Molyneux, Petersen etc ad infinitum) are freed from the social media Gulags.

      Your approach is the one that will lead to loss of our freedoms and the end of the beautiful society that is New Zealand. Turning the other cheek does not work with the nihilistic monsters of the left.

      Talking nicely to the German troops in the Normandy towns and hedgerows wouldn’t have worked, this is a battle no less important and no less vicious, it’s not going to work in the culture war that is being waged all around us.

      Remember Rule 12 – the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. If the attack on Jo Brand (and every other Jo Brand that follows) is successful, then maybe the ‘offenderati’ of the Left will stop trying to have people fired for having the “wrong” opinions.

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      • Jordan Williams and the ‘Stroke’ Phil reference is causing outrage currently. There used to be this thing called ‘bad taste’, it is still going strong I see. But no-one was remotely likely to get physically hurt.

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    • A very ill thought out thing to say. Stupid is as stupid was. Jo Brand is a rabid socialist. Inciting violence always is wrong, and while she said joke, so many mentally challenged would think it a good idea.

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    • The British do not have any freedom of speech anymore.

      The question becomes, how do the British get their freedom of speech back?

      The Swedish and Left-leaning author Astrid Lindgren in 1976 had a marginal income tax rate of 102%! It was only due to her status as the author of Pippi Longstocking that got any movement to change this absurdity.

      What does this story have to do with anything?

      It will take a high profile Leftist getting screwed over for things to change, i.e. both Leftists and Rightists will join together to get rid of this awful state of affairs. Perhaps Brand will be that figure.

      Also, Brand deserves to be hoisted by her own petard. As the article you linked stated, Brand is no friend to freedom of speech. She loathes it in others (the daughter of Margaret Thatcher in said article). Maybe when her ideology bites her in her arse will it dawn on her that she’s been an unfunny idiot.

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    • Unless you’re involved in the Labour Youth Camp sex offending scandal and have a political connection in the Labour party. Then justice gets dragged on until the judge dismisses it for “inability to have a fair trial”.

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      • One of our fellow commenters has done the hard yards & circumnavigated the obstacles to open justice:

        ……”Labour Youth Conference Sex Scandal update on Court Hearing-
        The reference number for the case is CRI-2018-004-005593. The Jury trial will commence on 2 September 2019 at 10am at the Auckland District Court. The trial courtroom has not been allocated yet. If you are attending the trial on that day, please proceed to the Auckland DC Criminal Counter in Level 1 to get the courtroom number. The counter staff will direct you to the trial courtroom. “……

        Ref: YSB May 21, 2019 3:29 pm

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  1. I took myself along to listen to Simeon Browne at Tim McIndoe’s monthly forum in Hamilton yesterday, he is a confident speaker and very together.

    I asked him why he wasn’t the one going toe to toe with Chloe regarding the cannabis referendum. I think that Paula Bennet is doing a great job as spokesperson with the press, and I agree to a degree, with her stance that a senior politician should not be engaging with a newby, but if the appeal of Chloe is her youth and presumed ability getting it over the line, then Simeon who is the second youngest parliamentarian and holding an opposing view could maybe best counter her narrative. If Paula is not going to engage with Chloe, surely someone on the team needs to.

    The one thing that both Tim and Simeon reiterated was that despite the PM being coy about her stance regarding the referendum, it would not be happening at all without her blessing and that people do not usually hold referendums unless they want to change the status quo.

    I do so dislike only being accorded one question but I did manage to wrangle the microphone a second time to ask, Tim and Simeon why we had no representative at the D-Day commemorations. The GG did not count she represents the Queen when the Queen cannot be somewhere, the Queen was there, so how could the GG be place holding for NZ?

    Their reply was that only Jacinda would know. I did speak to them both after the meeting to emphasise the point that it was a subject that would resonate with the public and questions needed to be asked and answered.

    Tim said that he would ask Mark Mitchel regarding when Jacinda refused the invitation to attend and even why Ron Mark hadn’t gone, let’s face it they have gone on a junket for less reason and less representative of our past.

    I can appreciate that the budget has preoccupied Parliament, but Tim’s response was that Jacinda wasn’t likely to go in budget week, but who chose when the budget was to come out if there was going to be a conflict. Simeon thought that it was to do with Trump. Neither is an excuse. D-Day has been D-Day for 75 years if there was a conflict the budget could be moved. Jacinda was only in the house for one day anyway so was neither use nor ornament.

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      • Well, that issue didn’t seem to have resonated with them, I felt that it should have.

        On one hand, they get accused of not sticking it to the government when they have them on the ropes, so I understand why the budget debacle has had to take centre stage, from my personal perspective, since Jacinda couldn’t bring herself to commemorate D-Day then what she said at ANZAC day 2019 was just lip service and surely has to have lacked sincerity, as I cannot separate the two as far as sentiments go.

        Jacinda Ardern called for a commitment to peace in her Anzac Day speech at Auckland Domain.

        Thousands turned up for Thursday morning’s Dawn Service, against a backdrop of heightened security.

        Calls for justice after WWI crosses destroyed before Anzac Day
        Anzac Day still sacred occasion for New Zealand – Defence Force
        Anzac Day 2019: Muslim communities volunteer at Dawn Services
        The Prime Minister was emotional as she spoke to the assembled, with the Christchurch terror attack still fresh in her mind.

        “Anzac Day reminds us of so many things – sacrifice, loss, the service of others and the need for all of us to continually honour those who served to through our acts of remembrance and our defence of peace.

        “But it also reminds us of a singular truth through the ages, through wars past and present – it reminds us of our shared humanity, something we have been reminded of again in the wake of the 15th of March.”

        Fifty people were killed when a gunman opened fire inside the Al Noor (Deans Ave) and Linwood Ave mosques on Friday, March 15.

        Ardern said as the country remembers those who served, we should also commit to shared values.

        “Let us recommit to those simple values of freedom, democracy and peace.

        “Just as we have never taken for granted the loss of life by those who served on our behalf, so too must we never take for granted these principles.”

        She shared a similar message on Facebook, in a video recorded from her office on the ninth floor of the Beehive.

        “On this Anzac Day we remember all our veterans and their families, and acknowledge and thank all those who continue to serve on our behalf. Today we remember, we commemorate, and we recommit to peace,” she wrote in the video’s caption.

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        • Why would you expect a couple of well-heeled kids to understand what D -Day meant to many others?
          Had a discussion yesterday with a business acquaintance who has a Chinese wife. They had just returned from Hong Kong and we talked about their visit into Macau, North Korea and China. It would seem that we really have no idea what goes on up there. The overriding thing that comes through though is the Nationalism of people in these countries. Same for America but no true anymore for NZ.
          Our Nationalism has been overridden by the TOW nonsense that is now taken over our past history and changed the narrative forever.
          So many people have no idea of the truth anymore.

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          • Why? Because it should be in all of our DNA. It is damn well in mine. Perhaps Jacinda shouldn’t speak at ANZAC day next year as it is not a subject of importance to her. How can she say that it is, a) while she is eroding our existing rights and b) Not attending with our allies and for god sake our foes.

            Good on Mike Hosking, but for that to be the end of it is shocking to me.

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        • I find it staggering that nobody in National is attacking Ardern for the D-Day snub! (Lots of people on Social Media/Talkback were shocked/horrified by it)
          I could forgive her non attendance if she had bothered to attend the NZ Services but she literally didn’t give a fuck…

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          • Now you know that the new Naval ship had to be launched right then and there. I am sure the Navy would rather have been thinking about comrades and showing their respect. Ron Mark there as well, how insulting.

            Sorry people, but I think I will be banging on about it for a while, I am incensed, and not in a nice smelling way.

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          • Adern has disappeared from sight once again. It seems whenever she shows up lately she is getting less than positive questions about her coalition of losers and their lack of ability, so she has taken to staying out of the limelight unless absolutely needed to front as PM.

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            • And yet our police force is becoming increasingly armed to protect us from other people. Jacinda is a Senior police officers daughter, so she does know how it works and probably grew up knowing what are now Senior Police officers.

              I wonder if they will strike?

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      • I assume that Tim will follow through, so if he replies to me with the answers on facebook I will pass it on. If I do not hear from him, I am sure that he knows that I will be asking him at the next forum, I will make sure that I go, perhaps other people could message him about it also if it is a matter of concern to them and now that he has been made aware of it as an issue.

        When I posed the question there was a murmur amongst his crowd and someone piped up with the ‘I can’t be everywhere at once’, that was Jacindas response to the query. Hopefully, that persuaded him.

        One other thing that I liked about Simeon was when he referred to synthetics as synthetic drugs, not synthetic cannabis. While they are persuading us that cannabis is benign and should be legalised people are dying of synthetic drugs, marketed often as synthetic cannabis.

        A while ago I bought some Isopropyl alcohol from Mitre 10, I bought 4 litres. The saleswoman who was a former cop, informed me that it was used in the manufacture of methamphetamine, after reassuring me that she didn’t think that that was what I wanted it for, I got curious when I got home and googled it. She was right to a degree that it can be used for that, but you would be lucky if that was the case.

        The list of toxic chemicals that are used in its manufacture was very illuminating, I had also bought drain-cleaner which can also be used, much cheaper.

        http://www.wvlegislature.gov/joint/PubInfo/NewsArticles/2004/files/meth%20makers%20use%20toxic%20recipe%20of%20common%20items.htm

        Common chemicals used to make methamphetamine include: alcohol (isopropyl or rubbing alcohol), toluene (brake cleaner), ether (engine starter), sulfuric acid (drain cleaner), red phosphorus (matches or road flares), salt (table or rock), iodine (teat dip or crystals), lithium (batteries), trichloroethane (gun scrubber), MSM (cutting agent), sodium metal, methyl alcohol (gasoline additives), muriatic acid, anhydrous ammonia (farm fertilizer), sodium hydroxide (lye), pseudoephedrine (cold tablets), ephedrine (cold tablets), acetone and cat litter.

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      • I was also at that meeting yesterday and was surprised at the two National MPs response to Rachael’s question regarding Jacinda’s lack of respect in not attending. But… they are not forceful people regarding what is going on in parliament. Both men are very respectful of both sides, where as I think we do need a bit of hard ass in the National party, people who won’t let things go, a bit of mongrel is necessary, MPs who will speak out against what is going on. But who is up for it? The disrespect for our culture by the col is disgusting. Thank you Rachael it would be great if you are able to put Tim’s response on the blog here.

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    • That is horrific, that poor little boy would always have been told that he wasn’t good enough as a male and then to be mutilated as well.

      As there is no social welfare system there that necessitates keeping an unwanted child, why on earth didn’t the mother (I use the term loosely) let the father raise him?

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    • It could have been me in weekend warrior mode.
      It was really nice around 10am.
      There are a lot of dead leaves on the road at present making it almost as greasy as Ardern’s interviews.

      I went along the St Lukes cycle way just so someone was on it this week.
      All those $million$ otherwise being massively underutilised.
      I drive alongside it several times a week and have yet to see a bike in the last few years.

      The hijacking of motorist funds to channel into the competition is immoral.
      This happened for 30 years until stopped last decade. It has begun again.

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  2. Another great example of the COL’s “we know best and we will do it our way” from Jones. This is about the sealing of 10k’s of gravel road leading to Lake Waikaremoana. He is now calling the locals hillbillies for resisting it. SH 38 either side of Waikaremoana has long stretches of unsealed road, mostly between Waikaremoana and Murupara. Like the residents in and around Waikaremoana, the residents of Ruatahuna have long resisted the sealing of gravel stretches of road. Why?
    When I lived in Wairoa in the early 80’s the idea of sealing was bandied about. This would turn SH38 into a easy drive between Rotorua and Wairoa. As it is now in gravel, only the really keen tourists, hunters and fishermen go there. Sealing the road will increase traffic, accidents, rubbish and resentment of the population who want things to stay as they are. The camping grounds along the way will become hangouts for the disruptive and unruly.
    The population made it quite clear back then that any attempt to lay seal would be thwarted. Everyone knew what that meant! Leave the place alone Shane!..it is beautifully isolated and the population and visitors want it to stay that way, not put up with your arrogant meddling.

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    • That is a great shame, the first Tim McIndoe Monthly Forum that I went to had Sir Anan Satyanand as the guest speaker. I think that they will be gutted.

      The panel was considerately chosen, not a huge budget. Did she ask about the support person before she got there? Every victim would have specific requirements and the panel can’t be expected to be mind readers.

      The whole process or the impression that I got about it was that it would, if nothing else, have been cathartic for the victims. But if I was a victim who was spilling their guts and reliving a trauma, if you’re not getting paid, you would at least want to feel validated.

      I think on this one, that the intentions were good. Hopefully, not everyone has had the same experience, and if so I guess we will hear a string of similar stories.

      I often don’t think there is much to be gained from dragging back up that which has healed or dulled or something. It just becomes raw again.

      It is possibly an interesting parallel that while that Royal Commission is opening up old wounds, we have Oranga Tamariki having to uplift children and put them into State care.

      I do wonder about the parents of those children who were taken into State care, do they feel any guilt?
      Accept any blame, any responsibility?

      What a sad tragic Royal Commission it must be hearing the saddest tales, how depressing, you would hardly be looking forward to the day.

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      • Falling asleep when victims are giving testimony is the height of disrespect. I have had respect for Sir Anan Satyanand but sadly another that looks to be too old to stay awake. Perhaps it is time to retire some of the OAP’ers from their highly paid govt appointments?

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        • That would have made me feel invalidated.

          But maybe not retired from this one as it is for victims. There are prosecutions that can come from some of the evidence, the Commission can refer matters to the Police IIRC.

          If the perpetrators haven’t been held to account then they need to be. They were agents of the State, the abuse was not committed by the State.

          The buck just stops at the State.

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          • …..”the Commission can refer matters to the Police IIRC.”…..

            From https://www.abuseinstatecare.royalcommission.govt.nz/Help

            ….”No, the Royal Commission is not able to advance a case in the courts. In some cases, we may refer people to the Police if they wish to make a formal complaint about criminal offending.”……

            In any case as the terms of the Commissioner refer to the years 1950 to 1999. I strongly suspect that the majority of the abusers will be senile or dead by now.

            I remain unconvinced that the Commission is going to accomplish anything useful. Its stated purpose is to prevent further abuse yet a cynic would see it as a new level of victim creation. For a few of the mistreated it will draw a line under their experiences but for the majority it will re picking the scabs off old wounds.

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