It’s not often that I get the chance to agree with V2 but on the pronunciation of “au” he’s not far off the mark. The Stone Age Polynesian language of the Tangata Whenua was written down by missionaries who for all their misguided beliefs in the Great Skyfairy were, by the standards of their time, fairly well educated.
They heard the short “o” as it is pronounced in August, sauce or author. My hypothesis is that this sound collided with the Australian nasal pronunciation & began its slide into “ow” as in howl or foul.
Quite how the poorly educated children of NZ’s TV & radio media managed to get a long “o” such as in toe out of “au” beats me. It certainly wasn’t via listening to Maori as spoken on a marae.
Well, was once upon a time before you language munchers decided you had nothing better to do.
Younger generation eh.!
What does the Māori word tau mean?
The Māori word tau has many different meanings depending on the context. Its primary translations include year, number, lover or darling, or the action to land, settle, or come to rest.
Key Meanings of po
Night or Darkness: Refers to nighttime, midnight (waenganui pō), or late evening. For example, pō mārie means “good evening” or “good night”.
The Cosmic Void / Realm of Origin: In Māori creation traditions, Te Pō represents the long period of darkness, potential, and the void before the emergence of light (Te Ao Mārama) and the world.
Spirit World: It describes the spiritual realm or place where spirits go after death (Te Pō). []
Sunset: As a verb, it means to grow dark or for day to turn to night.
Make of all that what you will. Keep you out of mischief all day.
Not at all. Anything that you look up now has AI, including Google. So do try to keep up, and it doesn’t do much to display your ignorance of things that the world has changed while you were in ya cab.
Don’t forget that the brains behind TOP is the general manager of the party, Iain Lee-Galloway, ex-Labour. He didn’t leave Labour because he decided he disagreed with left policies. He was sacked due to an affair with a staffer.
An MP from 2008 to 2020 and as a Cabinet Minister from 2017 until his dismissal in 2020. He successfully contested and held the Palmerston North electorate for the Labour Party for 12 consecutive years, winning elections in 2008, 2011, 2014, and 2017. In Ardern’s government he held three major portfolios: Minister of Immigration, Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety, and Minister for ACC. He also served as the Deputy Leader of the House.
So, a leftie through and through, now running the prostitute left party TOP, who will “go with anyone”. I’m wondering if he also brought with him wealthy Labour campaign donors, to form the Labour party mark 2, for those who are a bit too flash and a bit too wealthy to vote common garden-variety Labour.
All is not as it seems with TOP. And it doesn’t smell good.
Last night that fwit Travers read out replies to questions he had asked Tax Old People party from Lees hyphen Galloway.
Well one answer and it confirmed what they wanted in the way of taking off those who had property by taxing the hell out of them.
Travers kept teasing listeners by saying he was with going to read the other answers but I fell asleep waiting.
two things
At least he doesn’t appear to be PBTQ or whatever?
Was that at the same party as Chrispkins swapped his lady for a new one?
Lady swapping seems to derigour for these guys.
Does he dislike the queers anyway? That would be a plus.
Does he now have a Chinese girlfriend he shares with the deceitful Greeny wanker that’s no longer in the Green Party because the girls there ate him up.
Labour aka Helen Clark have turned on them when they realised they’re taking votes off them and not the centre right parties. (Not that they’re very centre right).
“not that theyre very centre right” implies some are still centre right eg. ACT but they too are sliding left from where they once were.
nzf seem to stradle the centre, nats have clearly slid left alot in the past few election cycles. theyre essentially now a business focused centre left party…. add those 3 combinations together and you get “not very centre right”
During a town hall meeting in Nelson, Luxon faced a question from a dominatrix who had to leave New Zealand due to tough economic conditions. The Nelson Mail reported on the exchange last week, writing: “The questions concluded with a query from a former deaf Wellington dominatrix who asked about policies to cut the public service in Wellington.”
Luxon replied: “Your issue is the demand problem, right?,” adding that he’ll rebuild the economy, which would benefit all businesses.
The dominatrix, Felicity Maera-Wallace, told Stuff afterwards that she was serious about the public sector restructures having a flow on impact for sex workers.
“They definitely resulted in losing my customer base,” she said, claiming customers still wanted her services, but could no longer afford it.
“The fact is, demand is there, but the clients are staying home and wanking to free porn, not because they want to, but because that’s what they can afford,” she said.
Maera-Wallace used to work and live in Wellington, but moved to Australia to find work. For personal reasons, she moved to Nelson – but said the return to Aotearoa had cost her hugely. Returning home came with a $60,000 per year salary cut, she said.
She said many Kiwi sex workers had raised this issue in online forums.
“We have seen a huge increase in price hagglers, low ballers and time wasters since the coalition came to power,” she said.
Wait until the robots arrive and she’s out of a job completely. No other small business in trouble gets rescued by handouts from the taxpayer, As for govt servants wanking alone they certainly won’t have had a reduction in wages and there are huge numbers of them still working in Wellington so her complaint of less clients doesn’t really stack up.
dumb bitch cant work out shes charging too much for the current economic environment. tinder, hinge or wanking are alot cheaper
i am however pleased that those sacked public service bludgers have gone from fucking the country (and overpriced dominatrix) to having lonely wanks at home.
#. “Wellington Water has released a scathing report, after a probe uncovered alleged theft, poor value for money from contractors and structural issues.”
Tiaki Wai is a new council-owned organisation created to mismanage water & tip off ratepayers in the Wellington area.
Dont talk to me about saving the planet when you cant even save simple pot holes in the UK. This is a complete piss take of ordinary hard working people and I will NEVER stop telling you about this scam. https://x.com/Artemisfornow/status/2089427799853379835
The list of $billions upon $billions + $millions & $millions of calls made to bring about Net Zero that is syphoned off as government expenditure & borrowings.
Further down in comments National Debt was mentioned.
Yet no care figures or mentions the price of Net Zero National Debt, that that price is ongoing, accruing & compounding in price that is demanded in so many ways that ordinary citizen has to pay, one way or the other.
Would be very similar in NZ.
Where are those taxes charged or Carbon emissions going?
**The scale of Net Zero-related spending is large, measured in trillions globally and tens to hundreds of billions nationally, funded through a mix of taxes, subsidies, carbon pricing, and borrowing.** These costs are ongoing, compound via debt interest and lost traditional revenues, and are largely borne by households and businesses through higher prices, taxes, and opportunity costs. Official estimates often emphasise net costs (after claimed savings and benefits) that appear manageable as a share of GDP, while independent and critical analyses stress higher gross cash costs, energy bill impacts, and fiscal pressures.
### Global and national spending scale
McKinsey’s widely cited analysis estimated that achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 would require about $9.2 trillion in average annual spending on physical assets (energy and land-use systems) between the early 2020s and 2050 — roughly $3.5 trillion more per year than recent levels. That uplift is comparable to half of global corporate profits or a quarter of total tax revenue in a recent benchmark year. Spending is front-loaded. Other estimates put annual climate/mitigation investment needs in the $6–8 trillion range by the early 2030s, with large gaps remaining. Companies in major carbon markets face roughly $1.4 trillion in cumulative compliance costs over the coming decade as prices rise and free allocations fall.
Country-level figures vary. In the UK (where “Net Zero” is a statutory 2050 target), the Climate Change Committee’s latest Balanced Pathway puts the *net* whole-economy cost at around £116 billion (2025 prices) over 2025–2050, or roughly £4 billion a year on average (~0.2% of GDP). The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) estimates the *fiscal* cost to government at about £803 billion by 2050 (21% of GDP), of which roughly two-thirds is lost tax receipts (especially fuel duty as electric vehicles displace petrol/diesel) and one-third is additional public spending. The OBR assumes government funds around 36% of total transition investment. Critics argue these net figures understate gross cash costs, capital requirements, and system integration expenses; some analyses put cumulative costs in the multi-trillion-pound range and project annual consumer/taxpayer burdens rising into the tens of billions.
New Zealand’s main instrument is the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). Auction and related revenues have been in the low-to-mid hundreds of millions to around $1–2 billion range in recent years (e.g., ~$1.8 billion cited in one recent breakdown). Overall environmental protection spending remains a modest share of the core Crown budget.
### How it is funded and the debt link
Governments fund Net Zero policies through:
– Direct expenditure and subsidies (renewables support, grid upgrades, insulation, industrial transition, R&D).
– Carbon pricing (taxes or emissions trading systems that raise the cost of emitting).
– Regulation that shifts costs onto firms and consumers.
– Borrowing, which adds to national debt and future interest payments.
Lost traditional revenues (fuel duties, some vehicle taxes) create a structural hole that must be filled by other taxes, spending cuts, or more borrowing. In the UK, OBR analysis shows the transition contributing to higher primary borrowing and debt trajectories; combined with climate-damage effects under higher-warming scenarios, debt-to-GDP impacts can be substantial over decades. Heavy reliance on public spending rather than carbon pricing can push debt higher (one IMF-style modelling range for aggressive spending approaches was 45–50% of GDP by mid-century versus lower under a balanced mix). Debt interest itself is already a large and rising budget item in many countries. The ordinary citizen ultimately services this through taxes, inflation, or reduced future public services.
### Costs to ordinary citizens
Citizens pay in multiple overlapping ways:
– **Energy and fuel prices**: Carbon prices and renewable/grid levies are passed through into electricity, gas, and petrol/diesel bills. In places with aggressive policies, higher system costs (subsidies, intermittency management, network upgrades) have contributed to elevated prices; debates continue over how much is attributable to Net Zero versus other factors (commodity prices, geopolitics, under-investment). Some official bodies claim long-term operating-cost savings from efficiency and electrification will outweigh this; consumer-facing analyses and bill data often show near-term rises.
– **Goods and services**: Higher industrial and transport costs flow into food, manufactured goods, and services.
– **Taxes and fiscal drag**: Subsidies and public investment are funded from general taxation or borrowing (future taxes). Lost fuel-duty revenue must be replaced somehow.
– **Opportunity costs**: Money spent on transition is unavailable for other priorities (health, education, debt reduction, infrastructure).
These effects are regressive in the short run without rebates, as lower-income households spend a larger share of income on energy and essentials. Rebates or dividends can offset this, but design and delivery vary.
### Where carbon taxes and emissions revenues go
Carbon pricing generates real revenue, but it is not a pure dedicated “Net Zero fund.” Patterns across major schemes:
– Roughly half (around 50–56% in recent global tallies) is earmarked for climate mitigation, adaptation, environmental projects, or related development.
– A large share goes into general government budgets.
– Portions are returned as household rebates/dividends (e.g., Canada’s former federal carbon rebate, Swiss redistribution), tax cuts, or support for affected industries/households.
– Some funds industry transition, clean-tech investment, or local projects.
The EU ETS has been the single largest global source. In New Zealand, ETS auction proceeds were directed for a period into the Climate Emergency Response Fund for climate-related spending; more recent practice has shifted larger shares toward the consolidated fund (general revenue). Revenues are inherently temporary: as emissions fall, the tax base shrinks. Administrative costs exist, and free allocations or exemptions reduce net collections. Transparency varies; not every dollar is traceable to a specific green project.
### Bottom line
The “billions upon billions” are real. Transition capital requirements are measured in trillions globally. Governments fund them via taxes, carbon prices, regulation, and debt; the latter compounds. Ordinary citizens pay primarily through higher energy and living costs plus the tax/debt burden, with distributional effects that policy design can soften or worsen. Carbon revenues are mixed — partly green spending, partly general revenue, partly rebates — and decline over time as the policy succeeds in cutting emissions.
Official net-cost estimates (CCC, OBR and similar) present the transition as affordable relative to GDP and preferable to the fiscal and economic costs of higher warming. Critical analyses emphasise higher gross costs, near-term bill impacts, fiscal risks from lost revenues, and the political difficulty of sustaining the spending. Long-term modelling contains large uncertainties on technology costs, behaviour, climate damages, and policy effectiveness. The price is paid ongoing, in multiple forms, by the living generation and those that follow.
My next question was about the money we send to Paris annually.
**New Zealand does not send “annual billions” to Paris.** The main Paris Agreement-related climate finance commitment is a **NZ$1.3 billion package over the four years 2022–2025** (averaging roughly NZ$325 million per year). This is delivered as grants (not loans) through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s International Development Cooperation (IDC) programme.
### Where the money actually goes
It is **not** transferred as a lump sum to the UNFCCC, the Paris Agreement secretariat, or “Paris.” It funds specific projects and programmes, primarily in developing countries:
– **Strong Pacific focus**: At least 50% of the commitment (in practice around 59–65% or higher) goes to the Pacific region. This reflects New Zealand’s geographic priority and the high vulnerability of Pacific Island countries.
– **Adaptation-heavy**: At least 50% targets adaptation (in practice often 75–86%), with the rest supporting mitigation or mixed outcomes.
– **Examples of supported activities**:
– Coastal protection and reclamation/adaptation (e.g., Tuvalu).
– Water security and storage (e.g., household/community tanks in Tonga).
– Climate-smart agriculture, food security, and livelihoods.
– Renewable energy (solar hybrids/mini-grids in places such as Tokelau, Cook Islands outer islands, Niue, Nauru, and parts of Vanuatu/PNG).
– Disaster risk reduction, preparedness, and early-warning systems.
– Ecosystem work (e.g., mangrove planting and coastal rehabilitation in Fiji).
– Capacity building, flexible finance direct to some Pacific governments so they can prioritise their own National Adaptation Plans/NDCs, and support for regional organisations.
– Smaller amounts to Asia (energy transition/mitigation), multilateral channels, and initiatives such as a NZ$10 million contribution to the Fund for Responding to Loss and Damage.
As of late 2024/early reporting, the large majority of the $1.3 billion had been committed or was in advanced design/implementation. New Zealand reports progress via UNFCCC Biennial Transparency Reports and MFAT transparency tools.
### Context and scale
This forms part of developed countries’ collective (non-legally binding in quantum for individual countries) climate finance goal under the UNFCCC/Paris framework — originally the US$100 billion annual goal (extended to 2025), later superseded by a new collective quantified goal agreed at COP29. New Zealand’s contribution is grant-based and relatively transparent compared with many peers that use loans.
The dedicated $1.3 billion package ends in December 2025. Subsequent Budgets have reduced the level of ring-fenced climate finance (with ongoing baseline aid continuing at lower climate-specific volumes). No large new multi-year climate finance package equivalent to the previous one had been locked in as of mid-2026 reporting.
### Separate issue: potential offshore carbon credits
A different (and larger potential) cost relates to New Zealand’s own Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) under Paris — the 2030 emissions target. Official analyses have shown a significant domestic shortfall, which could require purchasing offshore mitigation (carbon credits). Treasury has estimated costs in the range of roughly $4–5 billion (with earlier wider ranges). The current government has not budgeted for these purchases and has publicly indicated it does not intend to send large sums offshore for this purpose.
In short: the actual climate finance flowing under the Paris-related commitment is hundreds of millions per year on average (not billions annually), directed mainly to Pacific adaptation and resilience projects via New Zealand’s aid programme rather than to Paris institutions.
The $billion$ demanded with menaces & various devious extortiante ways, with there NZ university degree to practise with their clipboards & tickboxes to achieve that high salary.
Just as good as professional Arday did out of Cambridge university..
Phone rings with number I don’t know. Woman tells me she’s phoning about my bit coin account. I ask her which one as I have lots of bit coin accounts worth loads of money (I don’t obvs). She’s a bit flustered and says it’s the frozen account. I tell her to wait while I look in the freezer. I come back and say that it’s not in the freezer any more and she has a real go at me. Says, “Well if you’re going to be silly about this” At which point I tell her I know she’s a scammer and that it’s a fucking disgrace what she does to people and she accuses me of having a “very low level of education” and how dare I speak to her like that.
Bloody hell, even the scammers are feeling entitled these days. Glad I wasted some of her time though.
waikatogirl
10 days ago
“Flock” are cameras for the state to track anyone of interest. At present they are in the US. Is it stalking?
I listened to a guy talking about all the different types of cameras spotted being erected around Britain. He said it’s really difficult to find govt information on what they are there for. He is starting an app where citizens can report where a new camera site is being erected, pinpointed and information collected as to what it is for will be added.
Sooty
10 days ago
Is the Dopey Duke going to fly economy on his flights back to jolly old England?
A policeman spots a black guy dancing on the roof of a car. He radios for backup, saying… “I’ve got a darkie dancing on a Volkswagen.” “You can’t say that over the radio.” replies the operator “You have to use politically correct terminology.” “OK” he says “Zulu…. Tango…. Golf….“
“New Zealand’s intelligence service has said it disrupted an attempt by China’s Purple Mountain Observatory to install ground-based space equipment capable of collecting intelligence of military value.”
I somehow doubt that we receive good value from the fortunes spent propping up ivy towers. Apparently there is a direct correlation with album releases of major artists such as Taylor Swift & fatal road accidents. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/17/health/album-streaming-traffic-deaths reports that:
#. “Patel’s new study, published Monday in the journal JAM A Network Open, found a 15% increase in traffic fatalities on the days major new albums are released, compared with the days immediately before and after.”
#. “The researchers found that when popular artists released albums, there would also be an increase in general phone usage, and one reason may be because people are looking to stream the album on their phones.”
Mind you, this checks out. If a Taylor Swift song came while I was driving, I’d fucking drive off a bridge too.
waikatogirl
10 days ago
If there is a problem with shonkey builders why can’t they be named?
#. “While 76% of New Zealanders say they’ve interacted with an AI‑powered service in the last 12 months, trust in organisations to use AI ethically and responsibly has fallen across all major sectors.”
Surprise! Surprise! Not everyone embraces the technology:
#. “One NZ’s research identifies a 29% ‘AI actives’ segment comprising confident, frequent users, alongside a large middle of ‘dabblers’ and a stubborn quarter of ‘avoiders’ who still want little to do with AI.”
And those, given a choice, will likely opt out:
#. “The research shows that 62% of Kiwis say they would stop using a product or service if they had concerns about how the organisation was using AI. Trust in multinationals’ use of AI is especially weak.”
But nothing will be learnt & nothing will improve. Decisions have been made & the mandarins who dictate our lives, instead of listening, will spend kings’ ransoms on PR campaigns telling us how much we really love AI.
Sitting in your retirement abode isolates you from the real world of everything. AI has a lot of uses. You just have to know how to use a particular AI that you choose.
But I agree we need to answer phones, and should, but in reality those that work these days are always under pressure, so a little help is fine. If you ever spend time answering phones, you would learn there is a lot of stupid out there.
There are lots of irrational people, and then there are those that just don’t compute. Try it for a few weeks and see how you go.
I mean, look at some of the answers you see here some days.
Jeremy Clarkson apparently got himself fired from the BBC? when he pointed out a bridge with a Chynese on it and said “look at the slope on that bridge”
It would be interesting to do a poll to see how many feel the same way. I can’t look at videos with her in them, or stand the sight of photos with her. Maybe it is irrational, but I have never despised a person as much as her. Even Hipkins evokes a lesser response.
Ashley Church on X wrote this:
If you’re a centre-right voter, there’s a fair chance that a sense of dread has started to descend as you watch the National Party consume itself from within. The latest episode was the second leadership challenge of the year, this time involving Chris Penk, who has now lost his portfolios and announced that he won’t be standing at the November election.
But as dramatic as these latest events are – none of this should really surprise anyone. The events unfolding are the direct and entirely predictable consequence of a National party that came into government in 2023 with an enormous mandate for change, then inexplicably chose to deliver almost none of it.
New Zealanders had endured six years of a Labour Government that dramatically increased public spending, expanded the public service, embedded policies that divided New Zealanders and embraced the kind of ideological thinking that Americans now describe as DEI. National, reading the mood of the nation, promised to change all of this. It promised a leaner state, less waste, a smaller public service, less ideology and a return to the basic principle that government should serve New Zealanders equally.
Then, once in power, it morphed into Labour 2.0.
Yes, there have been some worthwhile reforms, and yes, some Labour-era policies have been reversed, but the scale of change has been nowhere near what National’s voters thought they were buying. The public service remains huge, government spending remains at levels that would once have horrified a National Government, and many of the cultural and institutional assumptions embedded under Labour have either been left alone or, in some cases, allowed to become even more deeply entrenched.
Perhaps most tellingly, the strongest moves in the direction that centre-right voters actually wanted have very often come not from National, but from ACT and New Zealand First. Again and again, the minor coalition partners have been the ones pushing for the changes National itself campaigned on, while National has looked hesitant, defensive and oddly reluctant to upset the very bureaucratic and ideological structures its voters elected it to change.
Voters have had enough – evidenced by National position in the polls. If people give you power because they want change and you don’t deliver it, they’ll look for somebody who will.
But there’s a problem. However angry you might be with National, there’s no plausible path back to a centre-right Government without a substantial National caucus – and frankly, the alternative Is terrifying. Right now we’re looking down the barrel of a Labour, Greens, Te Pāti Māori and Opportunity Party coalition that that would take the country to a level of extreme experimentation that we have never seen before and which would make Ardern’s government look centrist by comparison.
So the question isn’t whether National deserves your loyalty. It’s whether there’s a way to punish National for failing to deliver while still maximising the chances of keeping that extremist left-wing bloc out of power.
Oddly enough, MMP may provide the answer.
Over the past few weeks, Don Brash, former National minister Maurice Williamson and broadcaster Peter Williams have all been talking about an unusual possibility created by the way MMP works. Their arguments are interesting, but they tend to assume that everybody already understands the machinery.
Most people don’t, so here’s the simple version.
Under MMP, your electorate vote chooses the local MP you want representing your seat, while your party vote largely determines how many MPs each party is entitled to have in Parliament overall.
If National gets enough party votes to qualify for 36 MPs and wins 30 electorates, those 30 electorate MPs get in first and then National receives another six MPs from its party list to bring it up to 36.
That’s the normal pattern. For almost the entire MMP era, major parties such as National and Labour have typically won fewer electorates than their party vote entitled them to, so list MPs have been used to make up the difference.
But this election could produce something very different.
National still holds a large number of electorates around the country, many of them reasonably safely, even though its party vote has collapsed into the high 20s. That creates the possibility that National could actually win more electorate seats than its party vote entitles it to have in Parliament.
This has never happened to National before and if it happens in this election it would create what’s known as an overhang.
Let’s say National’s party vote entitles it to 36 MPs but it wins 40 electorate seats. National doesn’t lose four of those electorate MPs. All 40 of them go to Parliament, which means Parliament itself grows by four seats.
That’s the overhang.
And this matters because the number required for a majority doesn’t rise at the same rate. In a normal 120-seat Parliament, 61 MPs are needed for a majority. If National creates a four-seat overhang, Parliament grows to 124 seats and the majority requirement rises to 63.
Under that scenario, National has gained four extra MPs, but the finishing line has only moved by two – and that’s where things get really interesting. On current polling, National would be entitled to roughly 36 seats from its party vote – but it could still win as many as 40 electorate seats – even after losing some of the seats it currently has. In fact, it may even win some new ones. Wigram has become more interesting following boundary changes, Henderson may be competitive, and Auckland Central, Palmerston North and several other seats could become possibilities under the right circumstances.
And that’s the point at which this stops being an interesting quirk of MMP and starts becoming a practical voting strategy.
For this election, a centre-right voter should consider using their two votes to do two different jobs.
Give your electorate vote to National.
Give your party vote to ACT or New Zealand First.
The logic is straightforward. If National is already winning more electorate seats than its party vote entitles it to, another party vote for National won’t result in another National MP. But that same party vote given to ACT or New Zealand First can help increase the number of list MPs that those parties receive.
So your electorate vote helps National retain or increase its overhang, while your party vote helps ACT or New Zealand First increase their representation. Two votes, doing two different jobs, both aimed at the same objective of building the largest possible centre-right bloc.
Of course, if National stages a major recovery and climbs far enough back into the 30s, between now and November, its party-vote entitlement may once again rise above the number of electorates it can win. At that point, party votes for National start producing list MPs again and the logic has to be reconsidered.
But that’s not where things stand now – and this is where some centre-right voters may need to make peace with a choice they wouldn’t normally make.
If you don’t like ACT, vote New Zealand First on the list.
If you don’t like New Zealand First, vote ACT.
If you don’t particularly like either of them, pick the one you find least objectionable and vote for that one anyway.
I can already hear the arguments. ACT isn’t conservative enough. New Zealand First is too interventionist. One is more centre-right than the other. You don’t like David Seymour. You don’t trust Winston Peters. You disagree with this policy or that one.
Some of those criticisms may be perfectly legitimate – but for the purposes of this election, they’re also largely irrelevant.
If your objective is to return a centre-right Government, ACT and New Zealand First are the only two minor parties currently in a position to convert centre-right party votes into parliamentary seats at the scale required to matter. That doesn’t require you to fall in love with either of them. It doesn’t require you to abandon every disagreement you have with them. It simply requires you to understand what the numbers are telling you.
A vote for any other centre-right party is wasted. Yes, I get that some of those parties may reflect your values better than National, ACT or New Zealand First and in another election, under different circumstances, they may deserve serious consideration.
But if they don’t win an electorate and they don’t reach 5 percent of the party vote (which none of them will), they elect nobody – and that vote doesn’t transfer to another centre-right party. It simply disappears from the calculation that determines who gets seats – effectively increasing the likelihood of a left wing government.
And in an election where every vote counts – that’s a luxury that we don’t have.
So if National stay where they are in the polls (or drop further) the choice for this election is clear.
Support the National candidate in your electorate.
Use your party vote to strengthen ACT or New Zealand First.
Not because any of those parties is perfect, but because this election may be decided by whether centre-right voters understand how to use the two votes MMP gives them.
National created this predicament by disappointing the very people who put it into office. The irony is that MMP may now give those same voters a way to register that disappointment without handing the Government benches to the left.
For 2026, that may be the most important distinction of all
The world feels more urgent, more busy and more short term, former Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson says, and that’s filtered through to policy making in New Zealand as well.
“I think we are in a more partisan era,” Robertson said on Tuesday. “We are in an era where the half-life of politicians and policies seems to have got shorter.”
“We all know how our world feels more urgent and more busy and and more short term, and I think that has filtered through to policy making in New Zealand as well.”
However, he didn’t think a turnaround was impossible, “but it’s definitely a challenge for any politician at the moment”.
Robertson was part of a webinar series organised by the Helen Clark Foundation where he talked about politics, building policy, artificial intelligence (AI) and universities, and the country’s ageing population.
Speaking to the audience online, Robertson said: “The three-year electoral term is a massive barrier to us being able to do that [policy making], and even one more year, being a four-year term would make a difference to … the ability to bed in policy and get some longevity.”
“It’s only a part of the answer. It’s by no means all of it but that three-year cycle combined with just the way the world works today, I think, makes it very challenging,” he said.
Asked more about the electoral system and long-term policy settings, Robertson said: “I think the electoral cycle is a problem. I don’t personally believe that MMP is the issue here.”
…..”“The three-year electoral term is a massive barrier to us being able to do that [policy making], and even one more year, being a four-year term would make a difference to … the ability to bed in policy and get some longevity.””…..
1) Governments do enough damage now with only three years to fuck things up before they have to provide some accountability. NZ Inc couldn’t survive four year terms.
2) Labour introduce policy & National beds it in. Rinse & repeat. Longevity isn’t an issue.
Very much so. Incompetence an ideology is prolific but only becomes obvious after being elected. In the UK Labour fell apart weeks into their five year term starting August 2024. They have only just passed two years, have changed leaders and still heading for disaster with the next election three more years away.
Albo across the ditch is leading a bunch of incompetents with another year before they can be kicked out of office.
No, it doesn’t. It’s the voters, not that fail. FPTP was even worse. We put up with tyrants, and that’s where the Nats learnt to bait their electorates and never change anything.
The system fails because we fail to educate people in how it works, but finally now its intricacies are fronted for people to see.
But will they?
If you work on the principle that you don’t know what you don’t know, then that indicates that training is needed. 50% are average or below, but then we know that brilliant academics can be untrained and inadequately educated in another subject as well.
You see the problem. Like so much, it’s a lack of education(or training, if you like).
Did you ever see a teacher put unbiased political education in a curriculum?
MMP’s been in use for 30 years & I’d wager good money that at least a quarter of our population don’t know the basics of what each of their two votes are for. Probably that many again can’t get their heads around any of the minutiae associated with it.
And then we’re told that STV is too complicated.
Sooty
10 days ago
Out of curiousity, what should happen if a shitload of people changed to Maori?
If you mean what would happen if more people transferred off the general roll & onto the Maori roll then the answer is nothing this election.
When the electoral boundaries are next revised (this will occur each six years instead of after a census which is why the TPM are screaming) then an increase in Maori voters could result in an extra Maori seat.
The Real New Zealand News Breaking News! NZ Transport Agency found to be infested by Jacinda Ardern plant
Karen Jones. A wild eyed Lunatic? You betcha.
Karen Jones worked during the tenure of Jacinda Ardern. She served on secondment as the Executive Director of the Strategy, Governance and Engagement Group at the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC) from March 2018 to December 2019
Karen Jones – NZTA’s Group General Manager Engagement and Partnerships – Te Waka Kōtuia
Karen has a strong background in central government leadership.
Before joining NZTA, she was Deputy Director General People and Engagement at the Department of Conservation overseeing the poisoning of New Zealand with 1080. Her other previous roles include Deputy Chief Executive Public Affairs at New Zealand Police for over 5 years where she oversaw the development of PDF files within Police to prey upon New Zealanders.
Karen is a member of the Risk and Assurance Committee at the New Zealand Customs Service. She has a Bachelor of Arts (Honours) in English from Victoria University where she studied along with Grant “the disease” Robertson and other blights on NZ. Will Christopher Luxon do anything about these Traitors in our midst? Or is he part of the UNIParty Labanal oops we meant Natbour.
Paddy’s pregnant sister was in a terrible car accident and went into a deep coma.
After nearly six months, she woke up and saw that she was no longer pregnant.
Frantically she asked the doctor about her baby. The doctor replied: “You had twins, a boy and a girl.
The babies are fine.
“However, they were poorly at birth and had to be christened immediately, so your brother Paddy came in and named them.”
The woman thought to herself: “Oh suffering Jesus, no, not me brother.
He’s a clueless idiot.”
Expecting the worst, she asked the doctor: “Well, what’s me daughter’s name?” “Denise,” said the doctor. The new mother was somewhat relieved and thought to herself: “Wow, that’s a really beautiful name. I guess I was wrong about me brother, I really likes Denise.”
Boo hoo New Zealand Nurses Organisation – NZNO The Nursing Council’s chief executive has resigned, the latest in a string of departures from the Council’s executive team.
NZNO says Catherine Byrne’s resignation follows the departure of the chief nursing education advisor and two legal advisors, after Health Minister Simeon Brown replaced eight members of the Nursing Council board.
The Nursing Council plays a vital role in protecting the public and supporting safe, culturally responsive nursing care.
𝐇𝐄𝐆𝐒𝐄𝐓𝐇 𝐎𝐑𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐒 𝐀𝐔𝐃𝐈𝐓𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝟑𝟎 𝐔𝐍𝐈𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐈𝐓𝐈𝐄𝐒 𝐎𝐕𝐄𝐑 𝐂𝐇𝐈𝐍𝐀 𝐓𝐈𝐄𝐒—𝐂𝐎𝐌𝐏𝐋𝐘 𝐎𝐑 𝐋𝐎𝐒𝐄 𝐅𝐄𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐋 𝐌𝐎𝐍𝐄𝐘
Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered sweeping audits into 𝟑𝟎 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬 Monday, demanding each one account for financial and research ties to “𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘪𝘨𝘯 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘯” — a list built around Chinese state-linked institutions and the successors to shuttered Confucius Institutes still embedded in U.S. higher ed.
The schools have 𝐭𝐰𝐨 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 to audit their foreign collaborations and report findings by 𝐀𝐮𝐠𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝟑𝟏𝐬𝐭. Institutions that don’t clean house risk becoming ineligible for future Defense Department funding entirely — tuition assistance, research grants, the works (South China Morning Post).
This isn’t a one-off. It follows Hegseth severing the Pentagon’s partnership with Harvard outright, and an Army review flagging 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝟑𝟎 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 as “moderate to high risk” for losing defense education funding over ties to schools he says “𝘥𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘩 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘪𝘯𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘷𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵” (CNN).
For years, Beijing-linked money and researchers moved through American labs with a wink and a nod. That era just got a deadline.
𝐓𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐞𝐫𝐬. 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡.
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It’s Taupo. “T- O U R – P O” not Toe Pooh. I refuse to buy into it.
It’s not often that I get the chance to agree with V2 but on the pronunciation of “au” he’s not far off the mark. The Stone Age Polynesian language of the Tangata Whenua was written down by missionaries who for all their misguided beliefs in the Great Skyfairy were, by the standards of their time, fairly well educated.
They heard the short “o” as it is pronounced in August, sauce or author. My hypothesis is that this sound collided with the Australian nasal pronunciation & began its slide into “ow” as in howl or foul.
Quite how the poorly educated children of NZ’s TV & radio media managed to get a long “o” such as in toe out of “au” beats me. It certainly wasn’t via listening to Maori as spoken on a marae.
Nope,
its Tau po as in Tau Henare.
Well, was once upon a time before you language munchers decided you had nothing better to do.
Younger generation eh.!
What does the Māori word tau mean?
The Māori word tau has many different meanings depending on the context. Its primary translations include year, number, lover or darling, or the action to land, settle, or come to rest.
Key Meanings of po
Make of all that what you will. Keep you out of mischief all day.
lost interest @ “Nope…
No idea why you bother with anything, actually.
even vikey lost interest so let ai deal with it.
Not at all. Anything that you look up now has AI, including Google. So do try to keep up, and it doesn’t do much to display your ignorance of things that the world has changed while you were in ya cab.
your precious ai is just reddit on steroids hence why it gets shit wrong so often.
go spend 20mins on reddit and see what youre up against iq wise then realise ⅓-½ of ai training was reddit content being fed to it
Good. The same people that criticise your pronunciation of Maori place names butcher the English language.
True that.
Don’t forget that the brains behind TOP is the general manager of the party, Iain Lee-Galloway, ex-Labour. He didn’t leave Labour because he decided he disagreed with left policies. He was sacked due to an affair with a staffer.
An MP from 2008 to 2020 and as a Cabinet Minister from 2017 until his dismissal in 2020. He successfully contested and held the Palmerston North electorate for the Labour Party for 12 consecutive years, winning elections in 2008, 2011, 2014, and 2017. In Ardern’s government he held three major portfolios: Minister of Immigration, Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety, and Minister for ACC. He also served as the Deputy Leader of the House.
So, a leftie through and through, now running the prostitute left party TOP, who will “go with anyone”. I’m wondering if he also brought with him wealthy Labour campaign donors, to form the Labour party mark 2, for those who are a bit too flash and a bit too wealthy to vote common garden-variety Labour.
All is not as it seems with TOP. And it doesn’t smell good.
Last night that fwit Travers read out replies to questions he had asked Tax Old People party from Lees hyphen Galloway.
Well one answer and it confirmed what they wanted in the way of taking off those who had property by taxing the hell out of them.
Travers kept teasing listeners by saying he was with going to read the other answers but I fell asleep waiting.
Don’t forget little waif and stray Jimmy two-mums bum rushed out of the Greens by two suspect women intent on joint leadership without Jimmy..
Never liked that Sleeze-Galloway much. Smug-looking shit.
Slimy dipshit. Had to have lunch at the same table one day at Lincoln camp.
His shit, don’t stink!
two things
At least he doesn’t appear to be PBTQ or whatever?
Was that at the same party as Chrispkins swapped his lady for a new one?
Lady swapping seems to derigour for these guys.
Does he dislike the queers anyway? That would be a plus.
Does he now have a Chinese girlfriend he shares with the deceitful Greeny wanker that’s no longer in the Green Party because the girls there ate him up.
Labour aka Helen Clark have turned on them when they realised they’re taking votes off them and not the centre right parties. (Not that they’re very centre right).
What is ACT if not centre right.
“not that theyre very centre right” implies some are still centre right eg. ACT but they too are sliding left from where they once were.
nzf seem to stradle the centre, nats have clearly slid left alot in the past few election cycles. theyre essentially now a business focused centre left party…. add those 3 combinations together and you get “not very centre right”
During a town hall meeting in Nelson, Luxon faced a question from a dominatrix who had to leave New Zealand due to tough economic conditions. The Nelson Mail reported on the exchange last week, writing: “The questions concluded with a query from a former deaf Wellington dominatrix who asked about policies to cut the public service in Wellington.”
Luxon replied: “Your issue is the demand problem, right?,” adding that he’ll rebuild the economy, which would benefit all businesses.
The dominatrix, Felicity Maera-Wallace, told Stuff afterwards that she was serious about the public sector restructures having a flow on impact for sex workers.
“They definitely resulted in losing my customer base,” she said, claiming customers still wanted her services, but could no longer afford it.
“The fact is, demand is there, but the clients are staying home and wanking to free porn, not because they want to, but because that’s what they can afford,” she said.
Maera-Wallace used to work and live in Wellington, but moved to Australia to find work. For personal reasons, she moved to Nelson – but said the return to Aotearoa had cost her hugely. Returning home came with a $60,000 per year salary cut, she said.
She said many Kiwi sex workers had raised this issue in online forums.
“We have seen a huge increase in price hagglers, low ballers and time wasters since the coalition came to power,” she said.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361021447/christopher-luxons-advice-struggling-dominatrix
Hunty, can you help the poor lady?
Wait until the robots arrive and she’s out of a job completely. No other small business in trouble gets rescued by handouts from the taxpayer, As for govt servants wanking alone they certainly won’t have had a reduction in wages and there are huge numbers of them still working in Wellington so her complaint of less clients doesn’t really stack up.
Used Luxon’s meeting as a marketing opportunity.
“As for govt servants wanking alone” 😮My gosh, I’m still blushing.🙈 WG, you potty mouth you! 👍
🤗 😹
Huge increase in low ballers. Gold.
I have large balls. I would call them low ballers, especially the left one. What?
You had better get some relief before they turn blue!
dumb bitch cant work out shes charging too much for the current economic environment. tinder, hinge or wanking are alot cheaper
i am however pleased that those sacked public service bludgers have gone from fucking the country (and overpriced dominatrix) to having lonely wanks at home.
Te Aki Why. What’s that all about? What happened to Welly Water? Poo-Skins get involved?
Even the Left have abandoned Wellington Water. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politics/543562/wellington-water-report-reveals-alleged-theft-structural-and-contractor-issues
#. “Wellington Water has released a scathing report, after a probe uncovered alleged theft, poor value for money from contractors and structural issues.”
Tiaki Wai is a new council-owned organisation created to mismanage water & tip off ratepayers in the Wellington area.
Interesting from the UK.
Hello taxpayers…….
Dont talk to me about saving the planet when you cant even save simple pot holes in the UK. This is a complete piss take of ordinary hard working people and I will NEVER stop telling you about this scam.
https://x.com/Artemisfornow/status/2089427799853379835
Makes a good point Alice,
The list of $billions upon $billions + $millions & $millions of calls made to bring about Net Zero that is syphoned off as government expenditure & borrowings.
Further down in comments National Debt was mentioned.
Yet no care figures or mentions the price of Net Zero National Debt, that that price is ongoing, accruing & compounding in price that is demanded in so many ways that ordinary citizen has to pay, one way or the other.
Would be very similar in NZ.
Where are those taxes charged or Carbon emissions going?
**The scale of Net Zero-related spending is large, measured in trillions globally and tens to hundreds of billions nationally, funded through a mix of taxes, subsidies, carbon pricing, and borrowing.** These costs are ongoing, compound via debt interest and lost traditional revenues, and are largely borne by households and businesses through higher prices, taxes, and opportunity costs. Official estimates often emphasise net costs (after claimed savings and benefits) that appear manageable as a share of GDP, while independent and critical analyses stress higher gross cash costs, energy bill impacts, and fiscal pressures.
### Global and national spending scale
McKinsey’s widely cited analysis estimated that achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 would require about $9.2 trillion in average annual spending on physical assets (energy and land-use systems) between the early 2020s and 2050 — roughly $3.5 trillion more per year than recent levels. That uplift is comparable to half of global corporate profits or a quarter of total tax revenue in a recent benchmark year. Spending is front-loaded. Other estimates put annual climate/mitigation investment needs in the $6–8 trillion range by the early 2030s, with large gaps remaining. Companies in major carbon markets face roughly $1.4 trillion in cumulative compliance costs over the coming decade as prices rise and free allocations fall.
Country-level figures vary. In the UK (where “Net Zero” is a statutory 2050 target), the Climate Change Committee’s latest Balanced Pathway puts the *net* whole-economy cost at around £116 billion (2025 prices) over 2025–2050, or roughly £4 billion a year on average (~0.2% of GDP). The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) estimates the *fiscal* cost to government at about £803 billion by 2050 (21% of GDP), of which roughly two-thirds is lost tax receipts (especially fuel duty as electric vehicles displace petrol/diesel) and one-third is additional public spending. The OBR assumes government funds around 36% of total transition investment. Critics argue these net figures understate gross cash costs, capital requirements, and system integration expenses; some analyses put cumulative costs in the multi-trillion-pound range and project annual consumer/taxpayer burdens rising into the tens of billions.
New Zealand’s main instrument is the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). Auction and related revenues have been in the low-to-mid hundreds of millions to around $1–2 billion range in recent years (e.g., ~$1.8 billion cited in one recent breakdown). Overall environmental protection spending remains a modest share of the core Crown budget.
### How it is funded and the debt link
Governments fund Net Zero policies through:
– Direct expenditure and subsidies (renewables support, grid upgrades, insulation, industrial transition, R&D).
– Carbon pricing (taxes or emissions trading systems that raise the cost of emitting).
– Regulation that shifts costs onto firms and consumers.
– Borrowing, which adds to national debt and future interest payments.
Lost traditional revenues (fuel duties, some vehicle taxes) create a structural hole that must be filled by other taxes, spending cuts, or more borrowing. In the UK, OBR analysis shows the transition contributing to higher primary borrowing and debt trajectories; combined with climate-damage effects under higher-warming scenarios, debt-to-GDP impacts can be substantial over decades. Heavy reliance on public spending rather than carbon pricing can push debt higher (one IMF-style modelling range for aggressive spending approaches was 45–50% of GDP by mid-century versus lower under a balanced mix). Debt interest itself is already a large and rising budget item in many countries. The ordinary citizen ultimately services this through taxes, inflation, or reduced future public services.
### Costs to ordinary citizens
Citizens pay in multiple overlapping ways:
– **Energy and fuel prices**: Carbon prices and renewable/grid levies are passed through into electricity, gas, and petrol/diesel bills. In places with aggressive policies, higher system costs (subsidies, intermittency management, network upgrades) have contributed to elevated prices; debates continue over how much is attributable to Net Zero versus other factors (commodity prices, geopolitics, under-investment). Some official bodies claim long-term operating-cost savings from efficiency and electrification will outweigh this; consumer-facing analyses and bill data often show near-term rises.
– **Goods and services**: Higher industrial and transport costs flow into food, manufactured goods, and services.
– **Taxes and fiscal drag**: Subsidies and public investment are funded from general taxation or borrowing (future taxes). Lost fuel-duty revenue must be replaced somehow.
– **Opportunity costs**: Money spent on transition is unavailable for other priorities (health, education, debt reduction, infrastructure).
These effects are regressive in the short run without rebates, as lower-income households spend a larger share of income on energy and essentials. Rebates or dividends can offset this, but design and delivery vary.
### Where carbon taxes and emissions revenues go
Carbon pricing generates real revenue, but it is not a pure dedicated “Net Zero fund.” Patterns across major schemes:
– Roughly half (around 50–56% in recent global tallies) is earmarked for climate mitigation, adaptation, environmental projects, or related development.
– A large share goes into general government budgets.
– Portions are returned as household rebates/dividends (e.g., Canada’s former federal carbon rebate, Swiss redistribution), tax cuts, or support for affected industries/households.
– Some funds industry transition, clean-tech investment, or local projects.
The EU ETS has been the single largest global source. In New Zealand, ETS auction proceeds were directed for a period into the Climate Emergency Response Fund for climate-related spending; more recent practice has shifted larger shares toward the consolidated fund (general revenue). Revenues are inherently temporary: as emissions fall, the tax base shrinks. Administrative costs exist, and free allocations or exemptions reduce net collections. Transparency varies; not every dollar is traceable to a specific green project.
### Bottom line
The “billions upon billions” are real. Transition capital requirements are measured in trillions globally. Governments fund them via taxes, carbon prices, regulation, and debt; the latter compounds. Ordinary citizens pay primarily through higher energy and living costs plus the tax/debt burden, with distributional effects that policy design can soften or worsen. Carbon revenues are mixed — partly green spending, partly general revenue, partly rebates — and decline over time as the policy succeeds in cutting emissions.
Official net-cost estimates (CCC, OBR and similar) present the transition as affordable relative to GDP and preferable to the fiscal and economic costs of higher warming. Critical analyses emphasise higher gross costs, near-term bill impacts, fiscal risks from lost revenues, and the political difficulty of sustaining the spending. Long-term modelling contains large uncertainties on technology costs, behaviour, climate damages, and policy effectiveness. The price is paid ongoing, in multiple forms, by the living generation and those that follow.
biggest fkin rort EVER!
My next question was about the money we send to Paris annually.
**New Zealand does not send “annual billions” to Paris.** The main Paris Agreement-related climate finance commitment is a **NZ$1.3 billion package over the four years 2022–2025** (averaging roughly NZ$325 million per year). This is delivered as grants (not loans) through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s International Development Cooperation (IDC) programme.
### Where the money actually goes
It is **not** transferred as a lump sum to the UNFCCC, the Paris Agreement secretariat, or “Paris.” It funds specific projects and programmes, primarily in developing countries:
– **Strong Pacific focus**: At least 50% of the commitment (in practice around 59–65% or higher) goes to the Pacific region. This reflects New Zealand’s geographic priority and the high vulnerability of Pacific Island countries.
– **Adaptation-heavy**: At least 50% targets adaptation (in practice often 75–86%), with the rest supporting mitigation or mixed outcomes.
– **Examples of supported activities**:
– Coastal protection and reclamation/adaptation (e.g., Tuvalu).
– Water security and storage (e.g., household/community tanks in Tonga).
– Climate-smart agriculture, food security, and livelihoods.
– Renewable energy (solar hybrids/mini-grids in places such as Tokelau, Cook Islands outer islands, Niue, Nauru, and parts of Vanuatu/PNG).
– Disaster risk reduction, preparedness, and early-warning systems.
– Ecosystem work (e.g., mangrove planting and coastal rehabilitation in Fiji).
– Capacity building, flexible finance direct to some Pacific governments so they can prioritise their own National Adaptation Plans/NDCs, and support for regional organisations.
– Smaller amounts to Asia (energy transition/mitigation), multilateral channels, and initiatives such as a NZ$10 million contribution to the Fund for Responding to Loss and Damage.
As of late 2024/early reporting, the large majority of the $1.3 billion had been committed or was in advanced design/implementation. New Zealand reports progress via UNFCCC Biennial Transparency Reports and MFAT transparency tools.
### Context and scale
This forms part of developed countries’ collective (non-legally binding in quantum for individual countries) climate finance goal under the UNFCCC/Paris framework — originally the US$100 billion annual goal (extended to 2025), later superseded by a new collective quantified goal agreed at COP29. New Zealand’s contribution is grant-based and relatively transparent compared with many peers that use loans.
The dedicated $1.3 billion package ends in December 2025. Subsequent Budgets have reduced the level of ring-fenced climate finance (with ongoing baseline aid continuing at lower climate-specific volumes). No large new multi-year climate finance package equivalent to the previous one had been locked in as of mid-2026 reporting.
### Separate issue: potential offshore carbon credits
A different (and larger potential) cost relates to New Zealand’s own Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) under Paris — the 2030 emissions target. Official analyses have shown a significant domestic shortfall, which could require purchasing offshore mitigation (carbon credits). Treasury has estimated costs in the range of roughly $4–5 billion (with earlier wider ranges). The current government has not budgeted for these purchases and has publicly indicated it does not intend to send large sums offshore for this purpose.
In short: the actual climate finance flowing under the Paris-related commitment is hundreds of millions per year on average (not billions annually), directed mainly to Pacific adaptation and resilience projects via New Zealand’s aid programme rather than to Paris institutions.
Thanks Ed.
The $billion$ demanded with menaces & various devious extortiante ways, with there NZ university degree to practise with their clipboards & tickboxes to achieve that high salary.
Just as good as professional Arday did out of Cambridge university..
Ngāi Tūāhuriri places rāhui over customary whitebait season after ongoing abuse
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/regions/1033491/ngai-tuahuriri-places-rahui-over-customary-whitebait-season-after-ongoing-abuse
Tribe members would be the biggest abusers, but they are only following tradition.
Seen any Moa lately?
Phone rings with number I don’t know. Woman tells me she’s phoning about my bit coin account. I ask her which one as I have lots of bit coin accounts worth loads of money (I don’t obvs). She’s a bit flustered and says it’s the frozen account. I tell her to wait while I look in the freezer. I come back and say that it’s not in the freezer any more and she has a real go at me. Says, “Well if you’re going to be silly about this” At which point I tell her I know she’s a scammer and that it’s a fucking disgrace what she does to people and she accuses me of having a “very low level of education” and how dare I speak to her like that.
Bloody hell, even the scammers are feeling entitled these days. Glad I wasted some of her time though.
“Flock” are cameras for the state to track anyone of interest. At present they are in the US. Is it stalking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzVHSnuD86E
HE FABIAN SOCIETY EXPOSED: ‘They’ve Already Got You’ – Topher Field Exposes Its Influence
The Karl Stefanovic Show
The Fabian Society has influenced political thinking for more than 140 years – but how much influence does it really have over Australia?
I listened to a guy talking about all the different types of cameras spotted being erected around Britain. He said it’s really difficult to find govt information on what they are there for. He is starting an app where citizens can report where a new camera site is being erected, pinpointed and information collected as to what it is for will be added.
Is the Dopey Duke going to fly economy on his flights back to jolly old England?
I can watch this shit all day.
https://x.com/ochoa_anamaria/status/2089139325904523505?s=20
I can’t watch it at all, I have an aversion to crappy AI.
Yup. Seldom are the perps beutiful to be hold though. Mostly lardy heffers….
You have obviously studied a few by that comment.
Good discussion on climate fraud here.
https://stephenheins.substack.com/p/climate-ngos-and-foundations-the?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=954539&post_id=211472305&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=127oyu&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
A policeman spots a black guy
dancing on the roof of a car.
He radios for backup, saying…
“I’ve got a darkie dancing on a
Volkswagen.”
“You can’t say that over the
radio.” replies the operator
“You have to use politically
correct terminology.”
“OK” he says “Zulu…. Tango….
Golf….“
was this in the news?
“New Zealand’s intelligence service has said it disrupted an attempt by China’s Purple Mountain Observatory to install ground-based space equipment capable of collecting intelligence of military value.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/chinese-observatory-tried-to-install-intelligence-capable-space-equipment-in-new-zealand-officials-say-6075483?utm_medium=Aoemail&utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2026-08-17&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_cmp=Aomb-2026-08-17&est=MSAu%2Fo0Qm5Uvj%2FPxz1nQ3tVvMJ02sXvnXb2HbyLRABunpYtdNYvDJM%2BSW5NOty41Hw%3D%3D
Yes
I somehow doubt that we receive good value from the fortunes spent propping up ivy towers. Apparently there is a direct correlation with album releases of major artists such as Taylor Swift & fatal road accidents. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/17/health/album-streaming-traffic-deaths reports that:
#. “Patel’s new study, published Monday in the journal JAM A Network Open, found a 15% increase in traffic fatalities on the days major new albums are released, compared with the days immediately before and after.”
#. “The researchers found that when popular artists released albums, there would also be an increase in general phone usage, and one reason may be because people are looking to stream the album on their phones.”
Mind you, this checks out. If a Taylor Swift song came while I was driving, I’d fucking drive off a bridge too.
If there is a problem with shonkey builders why can’t they be named?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg2tTupS74c
A third of new builds in Auckland are failing final inspections | Herald NOW
Can’t pronounce Chinese names.
Forcing your customer to use AI doesn’t correlate with satisfaction nor acceptance of the crap as the 2026 One NZ AI Trust Report shows.
From https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sponsored-stories/how-to-tackle-eroding-trust-in-ai/JNT4CTOZKBBATPZCVWO7HTMRPI/
#. “While 76% of New Zealanders say they’ve interacted with an AI‑powered service in the last 12 months, trust in organisations to use AI ethically and responsibly has fallen across all major sectors.”
Surprise! Surprise! Not everyone embraces the technology:
#. “One NZ’s research identifies a 29% ‘AI actives’ segment comprising confident, frequent users, alongside a large middle of ‘dabblers’ and a stubborn quarter of ‘avoiders’ who still want little to do with AI.”
And those, given a choice, will likely opt out:
#. “The research shows that 62% of Kiwis say they would stop using a product or service if they had concerns about how the organisation was using AI. Trust in multinationals’ use of AI is especially weak.”
But nothing will be learnt & nothing will improve. Decisions have been made & the mandarins who dictate our lives, instead of listening, will spend kings’ ransoms on PR campaigns telling us how much we really love AI.
Sitting in your retirement abode isolates you from the real world of everything. AI has a lot of uses. You just have to know how to use a particular AI that you choose.
But I agree we need to answer phones, and should, but in reality those that work these days are always under pressure, so a little help is fine. If you ever spend time answering phones, you would learn there is a lot of stupid out there.
There are lots of irrational people, and then there are those that just don’t compute. Try it for a few weeks and see how you go.
I mean, look at some of the answers you see here some days.
Well I’ve learned now that to describe myself I am a ‘stubborn avoider’. I hope that is added to any forms I need to fill in.
What a great description. It’s a growing group I imagine. I’ve signed up as I’m becoming “dyslexic” in an expanding number of new things. 😡
The burst of enthusiasm for the shiny new Opportunity Party is a passing fad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZBhty6ClTU
Mike’s Minute: Why all the angst around Opportunity Party?
Newstalk ZB
Mike Hosking shares his thoughts on the media buzz around the Opportunity Party and the fate of small parties in the past.
“A new chink in their armour!!”
LOL!!!
Jeremy Clarkson apparently got himself fired from the BBC? when he pointed out a bridge with a Chynese on it and said “look at the slope on that bridge”
One for your daily puke.
https://www.facebook.com/jacindaardern/posts/pfbid0BoGUbNTygPMkMvFqrWtsCq9BVs9inY5SSLfWqDcEKeasxUpHPVRKyfasJf95c7gMl
Thanks for that …not!!
I read some of the comments. No wonder the world is fucked!
Why is it every time I see something from that woman I can feel my blood pressure rise and the hairs on the back of my neck standing?
Survival mode, natures fight or flight. I also react the same when reminded of her particular “kindness” 😖
It would be interesting to do a poll to see how many feel the same way. I can’t look at videos with her in them, or stand the sight of photos with her. Maybe it is irrational, but I have never despised a person as much as her. Even Hipkins evokes a lesser response.
Same here. Her image could be marketed as an organic emetic.
Ashley Church on X wrote this:
If you’re a centre-right voter, there’s a fair chance that a sense of dread has started to descend as you watch the National Party consume itself from within. The latest episode was the second leadership challenge of the year, this time involving Chris Penk, who has now lost his portfolios and announced that he won’t be standing at the November election.
But as dramatic as these latest events are – none of this should really surprise anyone. The events unfolding are the direct and entirely predictable consequence of a National party that came into government in 2023 with an enormous mandate for change, then inexplicably chose to deliver almost none of it.
New Zealanders had endured six years of a Labour Government that dramatically increased public spending, expanded the public service, embedded policies that divided New Zealanders and embraced the kind of ideological thinking that Americans now describe as DEI. National, reading the mood of the nation, promised to change all of this. It promised a leaner state, less waste, a smaller public service, less ideology and a return to the basic principle that government should serve New Zealanders equally.
Then, once in power, it morphed into Labour 2.0.
Yes, there have been some worthwhile reforms, and yes, some Labour-era policies have been reversed, but the scale of change has been nowhere near what National’s voters thought they were buying. The public service remains huge, government spending remains at levels that would once have horrified a National Government, and many of the cultural and institutional assumptions embedded under Labour have either been left alone or, in some cases, allowed to become even more deeply entrenched.
Perhaps most tellingly, the strongest moves in the direction that centre-right voters actually wanted have very often come not from National, but from ACT and New Zealand First. Again and again, the minor coalition partners have been the ones pushing for the changes National itself campaigned on, while National has looked hesitant, defensive and oddly reluctant to upset the very bureaucratic and ideological structures its voters elected it to change.
Voters have had enough – evidenced by National position in the polls. If people give you power because they want change and you don’t deliver it, they’ll look for somebody who will.
But there’s a problem. However angry you might be with National, there’s no plausible path back to a centre-right Government without a substantial National caucus – and frankly, the alternative Is terrifying. Right now we’re looking down the barrel of a Labour, Greens, Te Pāti Māori and Opportunity Party coalition that that would take the country to a level of extreme experimentation that we have never seen before and which would make Ardern’s government look centrist by comparison.
So the question isn’t whether National deserves your loyalty. It’s whether there’s a way to punish National for failing to deliver while still maximising the chances of keeping that extremist left-wing bloc out of power.
Oddly enough, MMP may provide the answer.
Over the past few weeks, Don Brash, former National minister Maurice Williamson and broadcaster Peter Williams have all been talking about an unusual possibility created by the way MMP works. Their arguments are interesting, but they tend to assume that everybody already understands the machinery.
Most people don’t, so here’s the simple version.
Under MMP, your electorate vote chooses the local MP you want representing your seat, while your party vote largely determines how many MPs each party is entitled to have in Parliament overall.
If National gets enough party votes to qualify for 36 MPs and wins 30 electorates, those 30 electorate MPs get in first and then National receives another six MPs from its party list to bring it up to 36.
That’s the normal pattern. For almost the entire MMP era, major parties such as National and Labour have typically won fewer electorates than their party vote entitled them to, so list MPs have been used to make up the difference.
But this election could produce something very different.
National still holds a large number of electorates around the country, many of them reasonably safely, even though its party vote has collapsed into the high 20s. That creates the possibility that National could actually win more electorate seats than its party vote entitles it to have in Parliament.
This has never happened to National before and if it happens in this election it would create what’s known as an overhang.
Let’s say National’s party vote entitles it to 36 MPs but it wins 40 electorate seats. National doesn’t lose four of those electorate MPs. All 40 of them go to Parliament, which means Parliament itself grows by four seats.
That’s the overhang.
And this matters because the number required for a majority doesn’t rise at the same rate. In a normal 120-seat Parliament, 61 MPs are needed for a majority. If National creates a four-seat overhang, Parliament grows to 124 seats and the majority requirement rises to 63.
Under that scenario, National has gained four extra MPs, but the finishing line has only moved by two – and that’s where things get really interesting. On current polling, National would be entitled to roughly 36 seats from its party vote – but it could still win as many as 40 electorate seats – even after losing some of the seats it currently has. In fact, it may even win some new ones. Wigram has become more interesting following boundary changes, Henderson may be competitive, and Auckland Central, Palmerston North and several other seats could become possibilities under the right circumstances.
And that’s the point at which this stops being an interesting quirk of MMP and starts becoming a practical voting strategy.
For this election, a centre-right voter should consider using their two votes to do two different jobs.
Give your electorate vote to National.
Give your party vote to ACT or New Zealand First.
The logic is straightforward. If National is already winning more electorate seats than its party vote entitles it to, another party vote for National won’t result in another National MP. But that same party vote given to ACT or New Zealand First can help increase the number of list MPs that those parties receive.
So your electorate vote helps National retain or increase its overhang, while your party vote helps ACT or New Zealand First increase their representation. Two votes, doing two different jobs, both aimed at the same objective of building the largest possible centre-right bloc.
Of course, if National stages a major recovery and climbs far enough back into the 30s, between now and November, its party-vote entitlement may once again rise above the number of electorates it can win. At that point, party votes for National start producing list MPs again and the logic has to be reconsidered.
But that’s not where things stand now – and this is where some centre-right voters may need to make peace with a choice they wouldn’t normally make.
If you don’t like ACT, vote New Zealand First on the list.
If you don’t like New Zealand First, vote ACT.
If you don’t particularly like either of them, pick the one you find least objectionable and vote for that one anyway.
I can already hear the arguments. ACT isn’t conservative enough. New Zealand First is too interventionist. One is more centre-right than the other. You don’t like David Seymour. You don’t trust Winston Peters. You disagree with this policy or that one.
Some of those criticisms may be perfectly legitimate – but for the purposes of this election, they’re also largely irrelevant.
If your objective is to return a centre-right Government, ACT and New Zealand First are the only two minor parties currently in a position to convert centre-right party votes into parliamentary seats at the scale required to matter. That doesn’t require you to fall in love with either of them. It doesn’t require you to abandon every disagreement you have with them. It simply requires you to understand what the numbers are telling you.
A vote for any other centre-right party is wasted. Yes, I get that some of those parties may reflect your values better than National, ACT or New Zealand First and in another election, under different circumstances, they may deserve serious consideration.
But if they don’t win an electorate and they don’t reach 5 percent of the party vote (which none of them will), they elect nobody – and that vote doesn’t transfer to another centre-right party. It simply disappears from the calculation that determines who gets seats – effectively increasing the likelihood of a left wing government.
And in an election where every vote counts – that’s a luxury that we don’t have.
So if National stay where they are in the polls (or drop further) the choice for this election is clear.
Support the National candidate in your electorate.
Use your party vote to strengthen ACT or New Zealand First.
Not because any of those parties is perfect, but because this election may be decided by whether centre-right voters understand how to use the two votes MMP gives them.
National created this predicament by disappointing the very people who put it into office. The irony is that MMP may now give those same voters a way to register that disappointment without handing the Government benches to the left.
For 2026, that may be the most important distinction of all
All of which goes to prove what an absolute dog of a system MMP is.
The world feels more urgent, more busy and more short term, former Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson says, and that’s filtered through to policy making in New Zealand as well.
“I think we are in a more partisan era,” Robertson said on Tuesday. “We are in an era where the half-life of politicians and policies seems to have got shorter.”
“We all know how our world feels more urgent and more busy and and more short term, and I think that has filtered through to policy making in New Zealand as well.”
However, he didn’t think a turnaround was impossible, “but it’s definitely a challenge for any politician at the moment”.
Robertson was part of a webinar series organised by the Helen Clark Foundation where he talked about politics, building policy, artificial intelligence (AI) and universities, and the country’s ageing population.
Speaking to the audience online, Robertson said: “The three-year electoral term is a massive barrier to us being able to do that [policy making], and even one more year, being a four-year term would make a difference to … the ability to bed in policy and get some longevity.”
“It’s only a part of the answer. It’s by no means all of it but that three-year cycle combined with just the way the world works today, I think, makes it very challenging,” he said.
Asked more about the electoral system and long-term policy settings, Robertson said: “I think the electoral cycle is a problem. I don’t personally believe that MMP is the issue here.”
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/139869/former-deputy-prime-minister-grant-robertson-thinks-we%E2%80%99re-more-partisan-era-
Worth the time to read. Yeah I know but educate yourself.
…..”“The three-year electoral term is a massive barrier to us being able to do that [policy making], and even one more year, being a four-year term would make a difference to … the ability to bed in policy and get some longevity.””…..
1) Governments do enough damage now with only three years to fuck things up before they have to provide some accountability. NZ Inc couldn’t survive four year terms.
2) Labour introduce policy & National beds it in. Rinse & repeat. Longevity isn’t an issue.
Very much so. Incompetence an ideology is prolific but only becomes obvious after being elected. In the UK Labour fell apart weeks into their five year term starting August 2024. They have only just passed two years, have changed leaders and still heading for disaster with the next election three more years away.
Albo across the ditch is leading a bunch of incompetents with another year before they can be kicked out of office.
No, it doesn’t. It’s the voters, not that fail. FPTP was even worse. We put up with tyrants, and that’s where the Nats learnt to bait their electorates and never change anything.
The system fails because we fail to educate people in how it works, but finally now its intricacies are fronted for people to see.
But will they?
If you work on the principle that you don’t know what you don’t know, then that indicates that training is needed. 50% are average or below, but then we know that brilliant academics can be untrained and inadequately educated in another subject as well.
You see the problem. Like so much, it’s a lack of education(or training, if you like).
Did you ever see a teacher put unbiased political education in a curriculum?
I agree but it’s not going to change anytime soon
MMP’s been in use for 30 years & I’d wager good money that at least a quarter of our population don’t know the basics of what each of their two votes are for. Probably that many again can’t get their heads around any of the minutiae associated with it.
And then we’re told that STV is too complicated.
Out of curiousity, what should happen if a shitload of people changed to Maori?
If you mean what would happen if more people transferred off the general roll & onto the Maori roll then the answer is nothing this election.
When the electoral boundaries are next revised (this will occur each six years instead of after a census which is why the TPM are screaming) then an increase in Maori voters could result in an extra Maori seat.
The Real New Zealand News
Breaking News! NZ Transport Agency found to be infested by Jacinda Ardern plant
Karen Jones. A wild eyed Lunatic? You betcha.
Karen Jones worked during the tenure of Jacinda Ardern. She served on secondment as the Executive Director of the Strategy, Governance and Engagement Group at the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC) from March 2018 to December 2019
Karen Jones – NZTA’s Group General Manager Engagement and Partnerships – Te Waka Kōtuia
Karen has a strong background in central government leadership.
Before joining NZTA, she was Deputy Director General People and Engagement at the Department of Conservation overseeing the poisoning of New Zealand with 1080. Her other previous roles include Deputy Chief Executive Public Affairs at New Zealand Police for over 5 years where she oversaw the development of PDF files within Police to prey upon New Zealanders.
Karen is a member of the Risk and Assurance Committee at the New Zealand Customs Service. She has a Bachelor of Arts (Honours) in English from Victoria University where she studied along with Grant “the disease” Robertson and other blights on NZ. Will Christopher Luxon do anything about these Traitors in our midst? Or is he part of the UNIParty Labanal oops we meant Natbour.
Paddy’s pregnant sister was in a terrible car accident and went into a deep coma.
After nearly six months, she woke up and saw that she was no longer pregnant.
Frantically she asked the doctor about her baby.
The doctor replied: “You had twins, a boy and a girl.
The babies are fine.
“However, they were poorly at birth and had to be christened immediately, so your brother Paddy came in and named them.”
The woman thought to herself: “Oh suffering Jesus, no, not me brother.
He’s a clueless idiot.”
Expecting the worst, she asked the doctor: “Well, what’s me daughter’s name?”
“Denise,” said the doctor.
The new mother was somewhat relieved and thought to herself: “Wow, that’s a really beautiful name. I guess I was wrong about me brother, I really likes Denise.”
Then she asked: “What’s the boy’s name?”…..
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The doctor replied: “Denephew.”
“I’ve shaved my pubes if you fancy a bit”, Mrs IAASB said seductively to her old man.
“Yeah, gimme a bag full, I’ll finish insulating the ceiling”, he replied.
theyre no good for insulation if its all stuck to a wad of hard wax.
You could use then for a candlelight bath.
Did she ask ROL first?
Boo hoo
New Zealand Nurses Organisation – NZNO
The Nursing Council’s chief executive has resigned, the latest in a string of departures from the Council’s executive team.
NZNO says Catherine Byrne’s resignation follows the departure of the chief nursing education advisor and two legal advisors, after Health Minister Simeon Brown replaced eight members of the Nursing Council board.
The Nursing Council plays a vital role in protecting the public and supporting safe, culturally responsive nursing care.
M.A. Rothman
𝐇𝐄𝐆𝐒𝐄𝐓𝐇 𝐎𝐑𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐒 𝐀𝐔𝐃𝐈𝐓𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝟑𝟎 𝐔𝐍𝐈𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐈𝐓𝐈𝐄𝐒 𝐎𝐕𝐄𝐑 𝐂𝐇𝐈𝐍𝐀 𝐓𝐈𝐄𝐒—𝐂𝐎𝐌𝐏𝐋𝐘 𝐎𝐑 𝐋𝐎𝐒𝐄 𝐅𝐄𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐋 𝐌𝐎𝐍𝐄𝐘
Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered sweeping audits into 𝟑𝟎 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬 Monday, demanding each one account for financial and research ties to “𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘪𝘨𝘯 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘯” — a list built around Chinese state-linked institutions and the successors to shuttered Confucius Institutes still embedded in U.S. higher ed.
The schools have 𝐭𝐰𝐨 𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐤𝐬 to audit their foreign collaborations and report findings by 𝐀𝐮𝐠𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝟑𝟏𝐬𝐭. Institutions that don’t clean house risk becoming ineligible for future Defense Department funding entirely — tuition assistance, research grants, the works (South China Morning Post).
This isn’t a one-off. It follows Hegseth severing the Pentagon’s partnership with Harvard outright, and an Army review flagging 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝟑𝟎 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 as “moderate to high risk” for losing defense education funding over ties to schools he says “𝘥𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘩 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘪𝘯𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘷𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵” (CNN).
For years, Beijing-linked money and researchers moved through American labs with a wink and a nod. That era just got a deadline.
𝐓𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐞𝐫𝐬. 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡.
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