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ACT has floated the possibility of a new kind of governing arrangement if National refuses to cooperate during post-election negotiations.

Party leader David Seymour has threatened to resort to a confidence-only deal, which would require the larger party to seek ACT’s backing for all government spending – or “supply” – decisions on a case-by-case basis.

National has also begun ruling out – or in some cases simply rejecting – ACT policies. Last month Luxon completely ruled out abolishing the Zero Carbon Act, and said he did not support ACT’s proposed Treaty of Waitangi Principles legislation – stopping short of the hardline rule-out.

This week, Luxon flatly rejected support for several more ACT policies, including partial sales of state-owned enterprises, abolishing fees-free first-year tertiary, ending first-home grants, scrapping all film subsidies, ending various research and development grants, and more. His answer to each was either “no” they would not do that – or it was “not our policy”.

Seymour says their spending priorities were one of the bigger differences between the two.

“We’d still be negotiating even on Budgets because that’s where there’s a pretty big difference,” he says. “The National Party criticises Labour for increasing spending by $1b a week, and they’re absolutely right to criticise Labour on that – we do too – the difference is that [National] are proposing to keep 98 percent of that spending going.

“I think New Zealand needs a more authentic change of direction than that.”

So Luxon is positioning National away from ACT’s policies, thus leaving him room to negotiate with Liarbour and rule out ACT and NZF as coalition partners.

A coalition of liarbour and Liarbour-lite is still a possibility.
Haven’t you noticed National’s new colours are more purple than blue? Mix two colours, blue and red and you get purple.

A sign of things to come?

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  1. also checkout your mate redbaiters twitter, he had a vid of marama mugabe insinuating the greens are currently talking to/working with nats behind closed doors and sge wouldnt answer about doin deals with nats after the election.

    i fully believe luxon will try negotiate with all other parties before seymour, he dosent give a fuck about re election he just wants a largely unrestrained 3yrs as PM and seymour wont allow luxon to be bald jacinda and willis be not gay robbo.

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    • Well,well, I got up this morning intending to speculate this.
      Luxon will get the Greens support.

      What the greens have always done is to survive on around a 10% PARTY vote. Occasionally as they are now,they have elected an MP like Fitzsimons and Tarquin.(Chloe I case you are wondering in your bewilded state this morning.)

      My specualation is this.
      The Greens will always have their 10% and they will probably always have a Chloe somewhere in their ranks so they are not going away.
      IMHO what they will do is encourage their voters in electorates where they either have no one standing or someone who is never going to be voted in, to vote national for MP and Greens for Party Vote.

      Luxon is such a slimy cunt, like Key, only worse he will approve of that.
      Shaw is about to be exposed for his bullshit but too late to make a difference
      Luxon will go with the Greens
      He has more in common with them than anyone else.

      Act will get shut out and he has not ever yet ruled out NZ First if he needs the numbers.

      So there you have your next Govt.

      National, Greens and NZ First.

      Why because Luxon thinks that he will get enough MP’s & Party votes to be the no.1 in the house.
      He will sell his soul and us down the river.
      You will all be wearing Rosary Beads soon and contributing to the Nazi cause.

      Oh his Deputy would substitute for a Choe as well Green as they come. Trianed at University in the stuff. Employed by fontera when it was in its Green heyday run by the dutchman.

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      • Not a bad analysis Viking and it would not surprise me at all. I wonder what all the “We have to get rid of this Government so vote National even if you have to hold your nose ” people would think if faced with that scenario?
        I think Luxon is fundamentally a bully, so would not like working with others that he cannot keep under his thumb.

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      • So who de we vote for?

        Still undecided. There are a few that I won’t, Lab, NZ1st, Green, TOP. DNZ was looking doable, but I have some concerns ( wasted vote, and why the huge split a few months ago). Freedom party ticks many of the values and ethics, but probably wasted, although I admire both Tamaki ( for having the guts to go to jail), and Sue Grey. Luxon’s anti anti vax rhetoric is like barbed wire around my scrotum and he believes the Climate Change bullshit, so I should probably put him on the definitely not list. Act, I like their policies, but Seymour has some irritating quirks ( and is anti-antivax). Oh – and I need intelligent advice, not some pathetic name calling and ad hominin attack.

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  2. And not everyone is out to get you? I think the bastards are. Luxon is an absolute cnut. There is no other word to describe him. All the deities are weeping as we write. FFS. Willis is another Robbers son/daughter as well. (Can never be sure these days) We are absolutely FUCKED and if anyone thinks otherwise, just wait till November, December and from then on and see is my answer.

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  3. Willis was just on Red Radio.
    Had waited before passing judgement on her financial ability but it is clear she is going to more of the same.
    Pump the economy with immigration and wind up the housing ponzi once again.
    No clue .

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    • True
      no clue.

      She graduated with a first-class honours degree in English literature from Victoria University of Wellington in 2003, and earned a post-graduate diploma in journalism from the University of Canterbury in 2017.

      Her only exposure to ‘business’ was at Fonterra under the disastrous reign of Theo Spierings.
      I don’t call that a plus

      She only got into parliament as a replacement player in 2018 when Blinglish resigned.
      Two years late this naïve bimbo was part of the the mob that got loony Todd Muller into um ah ‘power ‘

      I see zero good things from willis
      Reminds me of Jenny Shipley.

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  4. Luxon thinks he is top dog of a small group of MPs , when the election is over he going to have a lot of new electorate MPs that are probably well smarter than those already there. A lot of the new ones will be well to the right of him and Willis so he doesn’t know what his bottom lines are yet.

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  5. Greens Flex Power to Reach Deal With Labor on Housing Affordability Bill

    “Labor’s HAFF still won’t fix the housing crisis, but the Greens have secured $3 billion dollars for housing right now—not relying on a gamble on the stock market—and we’ve got to a position where it can pass the Senate,” he said.

    “Labor said there was no more money for housing this year, and we pushed them to find $3 billion.”

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/greens-flex-power-to-reach-deal-with-labor-on-housing-affordability-bill-5489412?utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2023-09-12&src_cmp=Aomb-2023-09-12&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=3K3BF%2B2oBzcIbHUUCNmq6yx8EFSV69pAhZMjeD02zEkmoQKDoHuJkv6hiqPWhh8%3D

    Aussie I know but they will do the same shit here.

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  6. Interesting speculations. In these weird times, I’m meant to say ”nothing would surprise me.” But it would surprise me if Luxon entertained any of the above speculations. While I can see the rationale behind some of the above moves, what’s not accounted for is each parties voter base.

    Liberal women for example are triggered about Luxon curtailing abortion rights once in power. They erroneously believe Luxon will do an Uncle Sam and change abortion laws. Just a modicum of thought should show Luxon and National would become one term wonders should such occur. Even a decent percentage of their own voter base would turn against them. Likewise Luxon accommodating the Left in a coalition arrangement. Of course vice versa would also be true for those parties on the Left entertaining a coalition with National.

    If you want a coalition of chaos those speculations fit the bill.

    I’m sticking with a triage of National, ACT and NZ1 should they cross the line.

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    • I imagine there are a lot of hits going down behind the scenes.

      And recall the Matt King has made the point that its not about left or tight anymore.

      Its about policy of interest and there can be no doubt that Luxon is very happy to accomodate Chloe and the others.
      The numbers that I posted this morning show its an entirley feasibnle marriage made in green Hell.

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    • I joke but this has the potential to create serious consequences. If you look at some of the MMP type systems in Europe most have coalitions built from the major parties. What this means is that the government can essentially never be changed, only the make up of the parliament. I suspect that the globalists would like to see that here in which case we would be stuck with a combination of nats and liarbour and have no easy way to change it.

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  7. Gosh, seeing SB is telling us that Democracy NZ is a no go -and yes I am seeing that – looks like might have to go the old fella – he may lie – he may forget to carry out some of his promises – but he may be the only person representing a few of the values I want to see.

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  8. The Teal Trifecta of luxon, willis and bishop run the show inside the gnats.
    Bishop is the bovver boy.
    luxon is the egg head
    willis is the shrew batting above her station in life.

    This lot lean to green.
    They are teals and ‘modern liberals’ .
    They are more interested in climate shit than fiscal responsibility.
    all the expenditure on green deal, EV charging stations and solid commitment to Net Zero 2050 locks this in.
    Therefore, in their black hearts they are more inclined to go green than ACT.
    The silliness of van velden standing in Tamaki nudges this closer.

    Just as Peters went with lab in 2017 and shocked many, this may occur again in 2023.
    As others say above, luxon will do what Oncle Klaus tells him.
    He will have about 4 in 10 votes as the starting point.

    Like others I cannot ever see myself voting notional again in my life.

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  9. I went looking for the Redbaiter tweet video that SB referred in the piece above today’s HYS. I could not find it (yet) but I did find this really interesting short video with Judith Collins. With what we know now I think I understand why the b…ds thought Judith had to go. She was onto the what was going on with the Maori issues, before the last election.

    Listen carefully to the questions from the little kids —completely sucked in by the propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1688081673093832704

    Also yesterday I came across reference to Winston Peters putting up a Bill in around 2004 which attempted to remove the so called “principles of the Treaty” from all legislation. I did not realise he had done this. The Bill was defeated. So he was onto it a long time ago.

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  10. Had a printout from Hansard where Peters asked Helen Clark in parliament what were the principles of the treaty .
    Lost it in the flood but it was very long and shows how long these non principles have been affecting progress.
    Always pissed me off that he did not do something about it in the following years.

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  11. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-christopher-luxons-real-test-could-come-from-his-right-not-the-left/L7PCASU6K5CQTKNF7RHX2XJHBI/

    In particular, ACT’s success in stitching together a coalition of urban low-tax-loving liberals and disaffected farmers is driving a wedge between National and voters it has long seen as its own.

    The party Luxon leads is facing not just an election, but a generational realignment.

    Rebranding an airline, as Luxon did in a former life, is one thing. Steering the National Party through what lies ahead may require more than fancy footwork.

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  12. ACT down 3.
    Well colour me surprised.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=24639742548958428&set=pcb.1018719649158330

    Adding up the numbers National are not governing alone and can either choose ACT or Green but still need another party to govern Is fighting with Seynour now, cuddling Jimmy Shaw and wef and hasn’t ruled out NZF (yet), So Nats, Greens, and NZ first.

    You could get Labour Greens and Act. That will do it. Perish the thought.
    A marriage born in hell
    DNZ Party vote as mush as you can or suffer the consequences for a long time.

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    • Voting DNZ is now probably a wasted vote but a party vote ACT is very likely toelect an ACT MP whist a party vote for ACT and abstaining for electorate vote may a sensible choice if Luxon continues to rule out policies ACT would like making it possible if ACT’s policies were seen as successful ACT on cross benches would so constrain Nation to make the next election result with ACT gaining a majority requiring leaving National as a junior partner having to accept ACT terms ion the same way they treated ACT in previous election. Should ACT sit on cross benches and only offer confidence would leave National unlikely able to deliver the changes needed for NZ to recover and grow form the recession already here and possibly turning into a double dip[ recession if Q is negative.

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      • At the moment it is all conjecture, so to fit in a conjecture about snap elections.

        All the media try to put it that if a Party causes a snap election it will lose the most.
        Maybe not 3 years of “what ever” government. 🙂

        But now we are in an MMP environment.
        If a Party can put a good a very good case why it caused a government to fall & go to a snap election, and the policy reasons why, maybe that will bring the focus of that to the election, in more debate & discussion, despite what the politicians & media say about squirrels over there.

        Sure see how much will be rescinded by Christmas, then call a snap election, over points in the budget.?

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  13. Voting DNZ is now probably a wasted vote but a party vote ACT is very likely toelect an ACT MP whist a party vote for ACT and abstaining for electorate vote may a sensible choice if Luxon continues to rule out policies ACT would like making it possible if ACT’s policies were seen as successful ACT on cross benches would so constrain Nation to make the next election result with ACT gaining a majority requiring leaving National as a junior partner having to accept ACT terms ion the same way they treated ACT in previous election. Should ACT sit on cross benches and only offer confidence would leave National unlikely able to deliver the changes needed for NZ to recover and grow form the recession already here and possibly turning into a double dip[ recession if Q is negative.

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