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Went to my first political meeting in 35 years . Last night I went to the RSA in Te Awamutu to see Chris Bishop and local MP Barbara Kruiger.

The talk was about the dreadful gun control laws that National agreed to push through with so much haste. If the opinions from the estimated 350, mainly National supporters, was anything to go on, then National need to get used to continue being the useless opposition that they are.

All comments from the floor were those of incredulity at Nationals support and voting with the COL in passing this stupid law. They have rolled over and ignored their core supporters. David Seymour was the only MP to get applause.

Bishop stated the gun buyback is going to cost up to a billion dollars. Where is this money coming from ? Teachers and Doctors want more pay. Hospitals are turning away patients needing operations. Pharmac cannot fund lifesaving drugs. Children cannot get vaccinations. The list goes on. But they can find a billion dollars to take legally acquired guns off law abiding citizens?

This despicable COL, led by the greens, want to change the definition of a “Fit and Proper” person. Encouraged by this, we have the police acting as law makers AND enforcers. Last time I looked, their job was to enforce laws passed by parliament. Instead we see them riding roughshod over citizens rights, under the guise of terror. To compound the problem, they want to reduce the number of fire arms license officers from 300 down to 30. All in a central place.

If the police had done their job properly in the first place, Tarrant would not have got a license to buy the guns that he did. I hope the Royal commission has a good hard look at the role of the police and the Governments decision to allow internet screening and issuing of gun licenses.

Highlight of the evening was meeting our good commenters Rachael, Chuck and Waikato girl for the first time.

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    • Given Seymour has come out saying ,unequivically, that he will not vote for Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act, I think they will.

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      • But he is one man and he is trying to make a point of difference, an has nothing to lose, National needs to, the only person that can roll this legislation back is Winston, Labour won’t, National won’t and the Greens won’t. all I hear is that Winston has his own interests at heart and dialing this back, if more than a promise able to be reneged upon, would be a vote winner. If Winston dialed it back then National would need to make a decision and I would hope that they might have actually listened to their electorate. Agriculture as stated last night provides 75% of NZ’s exports, money, taxes, how much harder does it have to be to be a farmer in NZ .

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        • I agree Rachael. But IF Act get above 5% then it makes a difference and I think they could if they play their cards right.
          It may not get the legislation ( Zero Carbon Act) removed but if will get people sitting up and taking notice.

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    • It is fair to say that most there thought that the Nats should have opposed the Law, Barbara Kuriger and Chris Bishop said that the Nats thought that ‘NZ’ should look united in the face of the CHCH attack and I guess not play politics.

      Although on one level I can agree with that conclusion, it was a knee jerk reaction and the Nats should have ridden out the, you approve of the massacre blah blah, in support of law abiding citizens property rights.

      It was not their rationale from what I could gather, as it would seem that the laws would have essentially passed, even with the passing of time, as National had also wanted these guns off the farms where they had never been a problem before.

      I was prepared to make the argument that, only by supporting the legislation in its unconstitutional state could they then put forward amendments to improve it. An avenue that might not have been available if opposed, i seriously think that it is pressure by NZ Firsts rural supporters that can get change during this second tranche of legislation.

      I also asked Chris Bishop if National would change the legislation if they were elected as government, and he didn’t say yes. (I appreciate that he isn’t the leader) but he didn’t even say it was something that caucus would discuss.

      i further interjected to say that National was leaving a lot of people with no party to vote for because rural NZ has been betrayed, I have to say firstly by NZ First, but secondly by National in this matter of Gun control.

      One other thing that I would like to say about our gun toting probably former National Party voting rural folk, despite the emotional subject, no-one on either side of the argument was in anyway anticipating violence towards MP’s, there was no need for a police escort or guard, so seriously, clearly they are not the threat.

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        • Maybe but Winston wants to win them back, he would by tempering this law if the Nats can do sfa as the opposition. I am so angry and i don’t even own a bloody gun, or like them particularly.

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      • National will not repeal this corrupt law. They might consider it if ACT starts doing well in the polls, or rather when they get back into power and assuming Seymour isn’t a Quisling, they might repeal the corruption as part of those future MMP negotiations.

        Expecting National to have a conscience over this would be like expecting an Imam to say the Koran is wrong.

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    • Already joined immediately after the legislation was rammed through 🙂 Not sure who my wife will vote for though. We’ve always been National supporters. I can tell you one thing- she hates the greens as much as i do!

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  1. Good. they deserve to be.

    “crusher” collins pissed me off the most. “I told the NRA to bugga off” *virtue signal virtue signal*

    no way labour loses the next election. National too busy trying to out feelz the idiot in charge.

    someone with a big swinging dick and huge set of balls needs to take leadership. get a fucking alpha male in charge. aka Trump!

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    • Lol! That pissed me off too. I’m a NRA member for the principle of the 2nd amendment, regardless of my adopted country of NZ where it means shit. They are not evil. They are salt-of-the-earth Americans.
      Trump? I still maintain my US citizenship. I’m voting for the bastard next year!

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      • Ducklin, did you hear FB members have gone after the Constitution of the United States because it has a line in it about “Native Savages”. Loonie Alert!

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        • Well, in those days they were! The Constitution has withstood 228 years. Loonies can bark at the moon. Such a shame the left in the USA are trying to ruin it.

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  2. The anger at the meeting held by the 2 MP’s was tense with many in the firearm users in the crowd stating the government with the help of National had turned ordinary citizens with firearms into criminals. Chris Bishop took notes of some good points raised by farmers such as daily pest eradication as he moves around his farm, where the firearms now available are not sufficient to cull herds of deer and goats, turkeys, rabbits, pigs that feed on his crops and dig up his pasture. The COL’s uneducated solution is for farmers to call a commercial pest exterminator who has a special permit to use the banned firearms, who may not be available for several months. The pest targets randomly roam in and out of the bush onto the farm so the chances of the $50 or upwards and hour for a pest exterminator being successful is about zero. Another farmer brought to Chris Bishop’s attention how he may be sued by ACC for an unsafe work place if one of his pickers twisted their ankle from falling in numerous rabbit holes. On it went with the overall hatred being for a rushed law that had failed to look or listen properly to those who use firearms and the real need for the correct firearm for the correct job. Animals left to suffer due to an inadequate calibre was also noted by Chris Bishop. One farmer stated removing semi-autos is like builders having their nail guns banned and having to continue with a hammer. They can work with just a hammer but the whole building industry would grind to a virtual stop.
    Chris Bishop, opposition police spokesman is concerned with the police, as we suspected, not only policing the laws by the government but now crossing the line and pushing for laws they want implemented. This is concerning but not surprising from the worst government ever!

    It was nice to find Rachael and holysheet in the crowd, and Rachael later introduced us to Chuck while he was waiting to speak to Chris Bishop.

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    • People had come from far and wide, good on the MP’s for fronting up and good on ordinary gun owning folk for not behaving like lefty rabble when they protest. Chris Bishop informed us that his electorate was predominantly in favour of what National did. They would have been in no doubt about the mood of the meeting, but I hope that they hold more of them. This issue and cannabis are the defining topics that will get people out and caring about the political future of Joe Bloggs.

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        • And they were there to listen, but why did I feel that they shouldn’t have needed to be told anything that was said last night before they voted in caucus, it is fine to say that they had put in amendments regarding sports shooters etc but that they weren’t able to make a difference. Where is NZ First holding its next meeting perhaps they need attending as Winston is the man with the most to lose.

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          • I agree, all that crap from Chris Bishop about “the conscience of the country had to change” just proves what a low opinion those in parliament have for the public in general. Who are they to say we have anything to answer for, that we must all become conscious we were to blame for what happened in Christchurch? It wasn’t even a kiwi who perpetrated the attack. The police were more at fault than any member of the public for avoiding basic police work by not looking a gun license applicant in the eye and making a decent assessment. If the police had knocked on his door and had a decent look at Tarrant they would have seen he was ‘squirrelly’ in his outlook and possibly may have circumvented the whole sorry saga.

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            • Didn’t you get the memo that because they say it takes a village to raise a child, then it takes a nation to feelz guilty about the shooting.
              Well fuck them, I am over all this PC bullshit. It’s been 2 months and we are still being told it’s all our fault.
              Just like Pike River, this will be dragged on for years.

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        • Bloody good point, having formerly been Trevor’s electorate the percentage of lefties is probably high and he did say it was the most marginal of seats 1500? in it. So why should their opinions be taken as representative of Nationals other more traditional electorates.

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    • The very concept of a Kiwi farmer having to surrender legally purchased guns, and call some stranger-and pay him/her- to do the shooting! Madness. Politicians grrrrr!

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      • A friend of mine has started advertising himself as a Pest Control Person for rabbits etc so he can apply for special exemption, he has already been called upon for rabbits, what was once done by oneself for free has spawned a whole potential industry.

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  3. Unlike Holy, I have been at many political meeting. However, I have never been at one with such anger. I think maybe too much blame is being put on Bridges. They say that being the leader of the opposition is the hardest job in parliament. It many harder when one is being undermined by those who are meant to be on your team.

    I found out last night that Collins was supporting a gun register which is not National policy. She has been the one most in support of the government’s knee jerk legislation.

    The crowd took out their anger on Chris Bishop. He may have been the fall guy. I do not know. I would bet that all Nat MPs did not accept the Nat’s position but they have to support it.

    Barbara and Chris were saying that they will try there best to get some changes in phase two of the firearm law changes. I say that is not good enough. If the government will not work with National in a collaborative way in phase two they should state that if they become government they will put a one year sunset clause on the firearm legislation and introduce draft legislation that will go through the proper process of a select committee calling for submissions and treating the submitters with respect.

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    • Well I have just left a message on Simon’s facebook, and others need to, I rejoined the party so that I felt that I could speak to them as ‘my’ party. 5$ tokenism at best, but seriously the two meetings that I have been to have been public events and the public needs to attend, National has to be in no doubt that their political survival depends on more than lip service. If not now, when?

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      • Well said its no good them sitting on the fence and being Mr nice guy or Ms nice gal. We need a strong opposition or we are f…ing doomed.

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    • ” I think maybe too much blame is being put on Bridges”
      Bullshit to that. He needs to grow a pair and start acting like a leader in waiting. It’s no good being tough in the parliament chamber. The average Joe and Joess don’t watch the debates in Parliament. He needs to forget about being Mr Nice guy. John Key could do both and at the same time. Bridges is just another Sycophant from the mould of Bolger, Rowling and Marshall. Nice enough as PM ‘s but useless as opposition leaders.

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  4. Thanks to Holy Sheet, Rachael Membery, and waikatogirl on your reports.
    Some good views and points bought up.

    That info needs to be spread far and wide, and any more of those meetings to be followed up, and attended. One learns many things how these meetings are run, and as more experience is gained, hones your skills, and that allows one to learn how to get around the edges, and still make good points.

    Just being there, gives others making a point, that they have support. Thank you.

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    • I don’t know if the local press were there, I saw one person with camera filming some of the meeting so whether that gets aired and anyone can access it who would know. I don’t know how anyone can just watch the train wreck happening and not at least be counted.

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  5. I stopped attending these type of meetings ten years ago due to the unbelievable levels of arrogance shown by some very highly placed National MP’s and ministers. Many of the MP’s who spoke oozed the type of arrogance we see from the Labour scum now in power. The feeling many of us got was that our job was to shut the fuck up and keep selling the raffle tickets, the people in Wellington knew what was best for us and us plebs should be grateful.
    National needs a clear out, the following MP’s are squishy progressives who belong in the Labour party.

    Bridges
    Bennett
    McClay
    Kaye
    Woodhouse
    Upston
    Simpson
    Dean
    Dowie
    Tolley
    Bennett
    Young
    Kruger
    Bishop
    Wagner
    Pugh
    Smith

    I cannot evaluate the rest of Nationals MP’s simply because they are non-entities, I suspect that means they are typical time serving Nat’s who should be on that list, however, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    • BB, I see you did not mention Collins. She was the one that was the strongest attacking firearm owners and dealers. If she manages to roll Bridges firearm owners will either not vote or vote ACT or the New Conservatives.

      If National could govern with Peters who would most likely agree to his terms – Collins or Bridges?

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      • Chuck. Of course I did not mention Collins, she is what this nation needs. As for the gun lobby, it’s not going to win me any friends here but I support getting rid of as many guns as possible. As I have said before I am no fan of the NRA either and remain convinced that those who think the answer to gun crime is more guns have rocks in their heads, or, incredibly small penises.

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          • Chuck. Yes, I do believe in due process. However, I am not about to be drawn into a debate about the rights and wrongs of the ‘gun grab’ (shades of Redbaiter) as it’s not something that I care enough about. What I do know is that on this issue (politically speaking) Saint Judith made the right call, if we on the right have to die in a ditch then at least make it a cause that a majority of Kiwis will support.

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            • You believe in due process – yeah right. Just like Andrew little say he believes in free speech but the speech the hurts people feelings. You either believe in due process or you do not. You cannot only believe in due process when it benefits causes you believe in. I was a supporter of Judith once but not now. I wonder who would most likely be prepared to do a deal with Peters to be PM – Judith or Simon. I say, Judith.

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      • I didn’t get arrogance from Chris Bishop, who mostly spoke last night, just that he, like most of them are out of touch with the average joe public. In Bishop’s case he won Hutt South by approx 1500 votes but most of his constituents are labour and possibly green urban voters. I believe him meeting some of the TA local farmers, some from very isolated, hilly country was something a little alien to him. He handled himself well but they were not in any mood for a city boy to tell them excuses about the new firearm laws. I’d keep Bishop.

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  6. Really cool some of you got to meet in person. Te Awamutu and back would have cost me 400 bucks in petrol lol.

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  7. How come Parliament isn’t sitting today? Is it because Dear Leader is in Paris and Kelvin is in charge? I swear they have more breaks than a teacher on strike!

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  8. Speaking of MP’s. I’ve made contact with David Garrett and let him know about this place. Hopefully, he will join us. Also, if anybody has an email address for Longknives send him a note and let him know about this place as well.

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  9. Thank you all for the report back (disappointing as it was). Sadly though you have confirmed what I’d feared that National are utterly in denial about the world around them. They’re stuck in the glacial, poll driven past of Keyism and they do not dare look up and see the massive sea change that is happening with an explosion of national pride as sovereignty and nation independence is under attack by the satanic globalists.

    The outpouring of pride and love for the UK that is being shown at Brexit party rallies is truly heartening, as it is with the yellow jackets in France, as it is with the Trump rallies in the US, as it is in Italy, as it is in Hungary, as it is in Holland, as it is in Germany etc etc.

    What the fucking hell is the matter with National that they do not see this, surely they’re seeing the extinction of the Conservative party in the UK and thinking “Hmm, maybe we should avoid that”.

    Maybe you guys are right that Seymour is the best hope, if Garrett was still in the tent I’d have some hope, but I’m not sure. Still, I see more wisdom and common sense here than anywhere else on the blogosphere so maybe I’ll follow the YSB herd at the next election.

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    • I just could not believe the absolute disregard for individual property rights. What other draconian measures have we had imposed on us in light of one incident. I am not a fan of globalisation so is it Nationalism that I want?Or is that not allowed?

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  10. 350 people at a political meeting in Te Awamutu. That is an incredible turnout, even in an election year. But apart from this site I have seen no mention about it. That got me thinking.
    In early 1975 a politician went about the country talking. His party were minnows in a parliament of 87 split 55/32. He was initially ignored by the news media, but then it struck them. I am now wondering if Te Awamutu is the first step on a big journey of huge change to our country’s political landscape.

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