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Waitangi Tribunal calls for Treaty Principles Bill to be abandoned in scathing report

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The Waitangi Tribunal has recommended that the government’s proposed Treaty Principles Bill be abandoned.

The tribunal released its interim report on Friday on the ACT Party proposal and a proposed review of Treaty Clauses put forward by New Zealand First.

In her letter to ministers, Waitangi Tribunal chairperson Caren Fox said both policies were part of an alarming pattern of the Crown using the policy process and parliamentary sovereignty against Māori.

By engaging with this policy the Crown was sanctioning a process that will take away indigenous rights, she said.

“For the Crown to entertain ‘principles’ that contain inaccurate representations of the text and spirit of the Treaty / te Tiriti and warped interpretations of te reo Māori from te Tiriti o Waitangi is a breach of the duty to act in good faith and to act reasonably.”

The letter highlighted multiple problems with the Bill: including that it “is a solution to a problem that does not exist ; there is no policy imperative that justifies it ; it is ‘novel’ in its Treaty interpretations ; it is fashioned upon a disingenuous historical narrative ;its policy rationales are unsustainable ; and its current text distorts the language of the Treaty / Te Tiriti.”

The Tribunal’s recommendations

The Waitangi Tribunal has made the following recommendations:

  • 1 The Treaty Principles Bill policy should be abandoned.
  • 2 The Crown should constitute a Cabinet Māori-Crown relations committee that has oversight of the Crown’s Treaty / te Tiriti policies. The Tribunal does not consider it appropriate that these matters are considered by the Social Outcomes Cabinet Committee.
  • 3 The Treaty clause review policy should be put on hold while it is re-conceptualised through collaboration and co-design engagement with Māori.
  • 4 The Crown should consider a process in partnership with Māori to undo the damage to the Māori-Crown relationship and restore confidence in the honour of the Crown.

The policies in question

In the National-ACT coalition agreement both parties made a commitment to introduce a ‘Treaty Principles Bill based on existing ACT policy and support it to a Select Committee as soon as practicable.’

ACT’s Democracy or Co-Government Policy Paper defines three ‘principles’ to be included in the Bill:

  • Article 1: “kawanatanga katoa o o ratou whenua” – the New Zealand government has the right to govern all New Zealanders.
  • Article 2: “ki nga tangata katoa o Nu Tirani te tino rangatiratanga o o ratou whenua o ratou kainga me o ratou taonga katoa” – the New Zealand Government will honour all New Zealanders in the chieftainship of their land and all their property.
  • Article 3: “a ratou nga tikanga katoa rite tahi” – all New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties.

The policy to review all Treaty clauses originates from the coalition agreement between National and New Zealand First.

It states that the coalition government will “conduct a comprehensive review of all legislation (except when it is related to, or substantive to, existing full and final Treaty settlements) that includes ‘The Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi’ and replace all such references with specific words relating to the relevance and application of the Treaty, or repeal the references.”

In its report the tribunal made note that the issue is wider than these two specific policies examined during the urgent inquiry.

The report quoted evidence from Waihoroi Shortland, one of the claimants, to the Crown: “It takes a whole lot of real courage to examine what you have done to Māori and what you could do for Māori prospects. I am yet to see what is in store right now that raises Māori prospects.”

ACT leader David Seymour – the architect of the government’s proposed Treaty Principles Bill welcomed the report, despite the criticism.

“We need a national conversation about our founding document,” he said.

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wiseowl
2 years ago

I propose an omnibus bill to abolish the Waitangi tribunal .
Deal with all this divisive crap in one blow.

Odakyu-sen
2 years ago

Just because a fraction of your ancestors arrived in this country before mine, does that make you special?

Starving Artist
Starving Artist
Reply to  Odakyu-sen
2 years ago

Yes, it does. Did you not get the memo?

Brian Marshall
2 years ago

That’s interference with parliament. It’s not the role of the waitangi tribunal (a name that does not live up to its actions) to advise on bills before parliament is it?

Oh look at this:
Role of the Waitangi Tribunal

The role of the Tribunal is set out in section 5 of the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 and includes:

inquiring into and making recommendations on well-founded claims
examining and reporting on proposed legislation, if it is referred to the Tribunal by the House of Representatives or a Minister of the Crown
making recommendations or determinations about certain Crown forest land, railways land, state-owned enterprise land, and land transferred to educational institutions.

Unless I have missed it, it has not been referred to them at all by either a minister or the House of Representatives. Sack the lot of them.

Private Godfrey
Reply to  Brian Marshall
2 years ago

The Waitangi Tribunal is a permanent commission of enquiry.
Advising on proposed legislation is part of its role.
That is what it is doing – its job.

Brian Marshall
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

Unless I have missed it, it has not been referred to them at all by either a minister or the House of Representatives. Sack the lot of them.

Maybe you missed this bit “ examining and reporting on proposed legislation, if it is referred to the Tribunal by the House of Representatives or a Minister of the Crown”

Further more, it does not look like it has even been introduced into Parliament yet.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/results.aspx?search=ad_bill______25_an%40bc%40rn%40dn%40apub%40aloc%40apri%40apro%40aimp%40bgov%40bloc%40bpri%40bmem%40rpub%40rimp_bc%40ainf%40anif%40bcur%40rinf%40rnif_a_aw_se_&p=3

Private Godfrey
Reply to  Brian Marshall
2 years ago

So we have a Tribunal set up to advise the government on its Treaty obligations and when legislation is proposed that is potentially a breach we tell them to ‘Shut up until we want their opinion’?

Seymour thinks we should have a mature conversation about Treaty principles – but the Waitangi Tribunal can FRO?

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

sounds like PG has some bro blood and getting kickbacks from a maori gravy train!

seriously tho why is it so fucking bad to have everyone treated equal, same rights and opportunity regardless of race?
why does one group of people need an 80m headstart for a 100m race just cuz they have a few drops of maori blood?… then they still cry cuz they sat down for a cigi and still come last.

we want equality not this fucking equity bullshit.

Private Godfrey
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
2 years ago

It would be better to debate the issue than to claim that because I don’t agree with your ideas that I must be Maori and therefore corrupt.
I can’t imagine why Māori would be at all unhappy with the equality served up to them. //

Ross12
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

PG. The bill has not even been drafted yet.
The WT is “jumping the gun” trying to interfere with Parliamentary procedures.

BTW. If it is a permanent Commission of Inquiry how come they only hear one side of the issue? As I understand it, if I own a piece of land which a group wants to put a claim on, I’m unable to present my side of the issue to the WT.

Ross12
2 years ago

PG. Here is a good article by Peter Williams on the issue, which is well worth reading.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/peter-williams-waitangi-tribunal-report-predictable

Private Godfrey
Reply to  Ross12
2 years ago

As Seymour himself has said on numerous occasions “no society in history has succeeded by having differing political rights based on birth.”

If Māori seats were allocated on a population basis, they would have been allocated 16 seats instead of the 4 granted in 1867.
Secret ballot was established for European voters on 1870, but Māori had to vote by show of hands until 1910 and then by declaration in front of a returning officer until 1937.
Māori could not stand in European electorates until 1967
Between 1893 and 1975 a person deemed to be more than half Māori could not vote in a European seat.

New Zealand society has been treating people differently based on birth since the very beginning.
FWIW: I agree with Seymour that we need to have a conversation about the way forward, but I can’t see such an endeavour being remotely successful until we listen to all the parties.

Brian Marshall
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

Oh for fucks sake PG, James Carroll was elected in a non Maori seat well before then. Where are you getting this wrong information from? Seriously though I don’t disagree with you on much other than I think the Maori seats should go. They were always meant to be a temporary thing to factor in communal landownership. I have many Maori friends and family and don’t want to see them disadvantaged over myself nor have myself and my descendants disadvantaged if they don’t have Maori ancestry.

Private Godfrey
Reply to  Brian Marshall
2 years ago

for fucks sake?
Well that’s the start of a grown up conversation.
I’ll own the inaccuracy. I guess that means democracy has really served Māori well then.//

nasska
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

The Maori seats introduced in 1867 were only ever intended to be a temporary measure. Traditional Maori governance was both a gerontocracy & an oligarchy so the principle of one man, one vote was an alien concept.

They overcame a roadblock to enfranchising Maori. The primary reason for legislation enabling Maori seats “was to enfranchise Maori who were indirectly excluded from parliament by the land ownership requirement. To vote, a person had to be male, a subject of the monarch, have title to land of at least 25 pounds, and not be in prison. Very few Maori qualified because of the property qualification – the land they owned was held in common and not by Crown grant: native title was not acceptable.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_electorates#Elections

I have no objection to the Maori seats. They’re there & for as long as Maori want them they should stay. What I & many others are against is the concept of one Pakeha, one vote; one Maori, many votes which is the logical outcome of special representation on councils & other bodies.

Odakyu-sen
2 years ago

““It takes a whole lot of real courage to examine what you have done to Māori ….”

The victim attitude and learned hopelessness is what is holding these people (whose fractional ancestors were Maori) back.

“Look what you did to me. I am not responsible for my circumstances and so I don’t see why I should make efforts to improve myself through my own labor.”

Beorn
Beorn
2 years ago

A binding referendum. Should we shutter the fake feathered Waitangi Tribunal? Should we return New Zealand to Kiwis or surrender it to stoneage activists?

Odakyu-sen
2 years ago

“But then we read what the Tribunal’s problem is. You see “formal equality does not and has not ensured equitable outcomes.””

Equality under the law and equality of opportunity ARE NOT THE SAME as “equality of outcomes.”

Does the Tribunal not realize that to have “ensured equitable outcomes” you must have socialism and all the draconian social control systems that go with it. I can’t that they are that blind.

I am a stupid boy
2 years ago

the worst thing about the waitangi tribunal is its one sided and only ever views maori as victims.
the treaty has 2 sides signing it but only the crown is held to account for its failings, how the fuck does that work?

I want to lodge a claim for compensation, the wahine whore and shrunken head wasnt enough of a payment for a waka load of gunpowder and muskets… 300mil in koha to me and i may be able to forgive them until i find something new to get upset about.

i would fucking love some journalist to ask the waitangi tribunal and the likes of scribbles/packer/JT to list the benefits of colonisation… if they cant list them then make them live a life like pre euro maori did just to show them how fucking thankful they should really be

Private Godfrey
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
2 years ago

Be careful what you wish for.
Many Māori would agree with you.
They’d like to return to owning 23.2 million acres of land in the North Island alone.

I am a stupid boy
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

youre a naive muppet to think pre euro that all maori had the ability to own land. usually only the chief had ownership/possession of land.
sorta like now, only a few clack bunts want to own and control everything while using “their people” as pawns… thats maori style equality for ya.

Private Godfrey
Reply to  I am a stupid boy
2 years ago

Putting aside the unnecessary personal insult, pre European Māori did not recognise individual ownership of land. The ‘chief’ didn’t own it either. Land was in collective ownership.

nasska
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

https://teara.govt.nz/en/land-ownership/page-1 describes well the positions both parties held:

“Māori concepts

Traditional Māori society did not have a concept of absolute ownership of land. Whānau (extended families) and hapū (sub-tribes) could have different rights to the same piece of land. One group may have the right to catch birds in a clump of trees, another to fish in the water nearby, and yet another to grow crops on the surrounding land. Exclusive boundaries were rare, and rights were constantly being renegotiated.

Early European settlers

Early settlers such as missionaries, whalers and traders were hungry for land. Often a Māori chief would allow Europeans to settle on a piece of land in exchange for goods, but did not imagine that this meant granting them absolute ownership. Instead Māori saw it as a transfer of particular rights, while their own rights remained untouched. Māori were keen to attract Europeans for trade, and land transactions were common.”

Private Godfrey
Reply to  nasska
2 years ago

Great explanation
Thanks for the post nasska

nasska
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

……”They’d like to return to owning 23.2 million acres of land in the North Island alone”……

The tricky bit would be retaining ownership. Prior to the signing of the Treaty Maori ownership was restricted to the area of land they were able to defend.

If they couldn’t defend it against invading tribes there were no courts, no judges & no legislation to fall back on. Being the main course on the hangi menu was the normal fate of the loser.

Viking
Reply to  Private Godfrey
2 years ago

Mostly they held possession by force or fate.
They certainly never owned much as indeed they just moved into a bit of land and stayed as long as another maori didn’t come along, bang em on the head and take over the women as slaves.
History is littered with those actions.
To the victor the spoils.
Do I need to list them for you.
A few name drops. Hone Hika, Te Raprahau, Tainui,.
There’s a big long list of warmongers.

Private Godfrey
Reply to  Viking
2 years ago

Are you saying that confiscating land was saving Māori from each other?

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