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      • This logically leads to the next question. How do we stand up to increasingly totalitarian aspects of today?
        One way is to fight the encroachment of totalitarianism is to remember those who fought our freedom. This is the true role of ANZAC rememberence.
        How ironic is the fact that this year when our society is facing its greatest crisis in decades, the State has cancelled the dawn services (for our own protection).

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        • Like they did last year. You know, because they thought another Australian gun man might go on a rampage. People might say Ardern’s “prioridies” are all wrong; actually this is exactly what the evil bitch wants.

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          • What will ANZAC Day next year be like?
            I can’t imagine that for the third time in a row the government will find an excuse to cancel it.

            But what state will New Zealand be in a year from today?
            – Pretty much fully recovered, with tourism back up to over 80% of 2019 figures?
            – In recession. Tourism largely domestically driven, with around 50% of jobs in tourism and hospitality gone. NSX around 5,000 points. Rising food and medical costs; falling asset prices. (I know! We’ll sell more assets to the Chinese!)
            – In depression. No one can remember the last one, as a teenager in the 1930s would be around 100 years old today. Recent immigrants beginning to cash up and move back to their countries of origin. Look on the bright side. Housing shortage solved!

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          • SalCrum, Anzac services were reduced in number last year so Police and security could prevent any repeat or repercussion from 15 March. Some were cancelled, but there was still a Dawn Service in my area. I joined many, many other people there.

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      • The same question are being raised in other countries –ie. how easily everyone rolled over to allow the state to “take over”. The UK, US, Australia have people asking it.
        I think there are couple of explanations –firstly most of us had no idea what we were getting into , especially with police actions and the rhetoric associated with the lock down etc. and secondly I think we accepted it because we wanted to protect our families and friends –we were all sucked in by the arlarmism to some extent.
        The real question is will we accept it again, without question, if a similar situation arose —I would hope not.

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        • Do you think that this experience will lead New Zealanders to question the commands of their government in the future?
          One measure of this will be the results of the next general election. If Labour is returned to power with an increased majority, I would conclude that New Zealanders are going to ask “How high?” the next time the government orders them to jump.

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          • I think you are right Odakyu-sen, if that happened. I would be mortified and all those we are remembering today would be “turning in their graves” .
            The one thing I missed above is no one had any idea how much money would be thrown at the issue when it started. I have friends who are not really political or deep thinkers in relation to financial matters who are now asking –“Where is the money coming from? What does it mean for the future?” If they can start opening their eyes I hope a lot more do very quickly.

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  1. We certainly are not the kind of society that the ANZAC fought for. I am pleased most are now passed away as they would wonder why the hell they bothered giving either their lives or fighting for life and liberty for the woke new world we now inhabit.

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    • …..”they would wonder why the hell they bothered giving either their lives or fighting for life and liberty”……

      While not wishing to diminish by an atom the respect they are due, few of the fallen had much say in it. Many were conscripted or forced to volunteer through the mores of the society they lived in. Military discipline did the rest.

      They were effectively forced to die which makes their sacrifice even more worthy of honour.

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        • That is true and applies to the second war as well. That;s what men did at age 17.

          Go back to the Crimean War and the pomms just paid the Irish lads 10 pounds, put them on a sip and sent them off. No training, no supplies and no winter gear. after the War ended Victoria ruled that England had to have a trained army but the gentry still screwed that up.

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        • Yes & I can remember a couple of them who did so in WW2. They enlisted partly because they thought that they would miss out on the experience & partly because of the social expectations of the time.

          I respect their actions & their bravery but the circumstances that led to them volunteering have to be viewed through the lenses used at the time.

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        • Such brave young men, albeit with maybe not enough knowledge of what the ‘adventure’ would entail.

          Can you imagine todays youth being likewise as brazen?

          Most of them will still be in bed.

          Mice and men.

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  2. Our small family sent 5 soldiers to WW 2. Only 2 returned.
    I have deep and abiding disgust for the ongoing erosion of the freedoms they fought and died for.
    NZ today has now a virtual single government that has no real accountability to the populace.

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  3. If anyone wants to read stories of Trentham and the trip to Chunuk Bair follow the link below.

    Private Leonard Charles Argyle, killed Sunday, 8 August 1915 aged 21
    Private Percival Argyle, killed Sunday, 8 August 1915 aged 25

    These are my two great uncles and if anyone is interested, my family has just donated and had digitized their many letters to family from before and during the Gallipoli campaign.
    They died at Chunuk Bair.
    https://manawatuheritage.pncc.govt.nz/search?q=argyle

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    • That’s really nice that they both have some official recognition to this day like that Rachael.

      I thank them for their service, for their contribution to our freedom.

      My Great Great Uncle was lost in Belgium on December 3, 1917, aged 27.

      I’m proud today to have that history within my bloodline.

      May they rest in peace.

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