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Russia Claims Ukraine Is Staging Civilian Killings To Accuse Moscow Of War Crimes

Russia has accused Ukraine of provocation and conducting false flag operations in an attempt to frame Moscow.

On Tuesday, Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed that Ukrainian security services had staged more alleged killings of civilians in several towns and villages to make headlines in the Western media and accuse Moscow of war crimes.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the Kremlin-ordered attack on his country amounted to genocide, after local officials reported scores of civilians had been killed in a number of towns.

Despite Moscow’s arguments and their attempt to call a UN Security Council session, the West has already decided who to blame for the alleged atrocities

Moscow insists that same tactics have been used by Kiev to blame Russian forces for atrocities in the town of Bucha last week.

“The troops of the 72nd Ukrainian Main Center for Psychological Operations conducted another staged filming of civilians allegedly killed by violent actions of the Russian armed forces in order for it to be distributed through the Western media,” the ministry’s spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said during a briefing.

According to “confirmed information,” the filming took place in the village of Moschun some 23km northwest of the Ukrainian capital Kiev on Monday, he insisted.

Similar false flag operations have been carried out by the Ukrainian side in the cities of Sumy, Konotop and elsewhere, Konashenkov added.

On Saturday, Ukraine distributed graphic footage of multiple corpses lying in the streets of the suburban town of Bucha northwest of Kiev, saying that they were executed by Russian troops.

Moscow, which insists that it is not targeting civilians during its operation in Ukraine, has rejected those accusations as a provocation and a false flag operation by Kiev.

It pointed out numerous inconsistencies in the Ukrainian story, including the fact that the video emerged several days after the Russian forces withdrew from Bucha, and that the local mayor didn’t mention any killings in his video address declaring the “liberation” of the city.

Despite Russian arguments and Moscow’s attempt to call a UN Security Council session, the West has immediately picked, who to blame for the purported atrocities. US President Joe Biden has demanded a “war crimes trial” for his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and the EU promised to send its experts to aid Ukrainian authorities in collecting evidence at the site.

Moscow launched a large-scale offensive against Ukraine in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German and French brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.


Zelensky Accuses Russia Of Genocide, Says Peace Negotiations ‘Might Not Happen’ Now

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russian forces of committing genocide in his country.

Russia’s unprovoked bloody invasion of Ukraine amounts to a “genocide” Zelensky said while declaring that negotiations to end the conflict now “might not happen”. Peace talks with Russia would be difficult after the discovery of civilain corpses in Bucha he claimed.

Summit News reports: During a television appearance, Zelensky said “And in this meeting, we could find the way out of this situation, without losing our territory. I think that this is the bar we have to set for these negotiations. And then we will see. It might happen that there will be no negotiations. It might happen.”

Zelensky referred to the alleged massacre in Bucha, saying “We have just begun an investigation into all that the occupiers have done. At present, there is information about more than three hundred people killed and tortured in Bucha alone.”

“It is likely that the list of victims will be much larger when the whole city is checked. And this is only one city. One of the many Ukrainian communities that the Russian military managed to seize,” he added.

Zelensky said the atrocities are worse than the Holocaust:

“In many villages of the liberated districts of the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions, the occupiers did things that the locals had not seen even during the Nazi occupation 80 years ago. The occupiers will definitely bear responsibility for this,” he said.

The Ukrainian leader also vowed that Russia will suffer if it does not seek peace:

“If the Russian leadership does not begin to really seek peace, really negotiate peace, they will put their country in the worst condition in 50 years. The so-called wicked 90’s will seem prosperous and calm,” he asserted.

As we noted yesterday, Russia has responded to the claims that its forces committed war crimes by brutally Murdering civilians in the town close to Kiev, calling the incident “fake” and labelling its orchestration as a “staged” false flag “provocation.”

Questions over what really happened remain as Ukrainian police posted on Facebook that they had conducted a “clearing op” in Bucha the day before videos emerged showing dead bodies scattered around the settlement, as the war of words over the alleged “war crime” continues.

The U.S. broadcast media has run with the genocide narrative, despite The New York Times and other outlets, as well as the Pentagon declaring that the Ukrainian claims cannot yet be verified.

MSNBC this morning is a full-fledged editorial for direct US/NATO intervention. The outright pro-war advocacy has reached another gear pic. — Michael Tracey

Joe Biden again declared that Vladimir Putin is a war criminal, this time calling for a trial against the Russian leader:

The venue where war criminals are tried is the International Criminal Court in the Hague, which the US has steadfastly refused to join out of fear of having its own officials tried and held accountable there. That’s why so many of them are on Twitter and in cable Green Rooms.

— Glenn Greenwald


  1. I believe azov done this, they are most likely russian speaking or russian sympathisers that are the victims.
    Look how much stuff is recorded and posted online, bucha still had all comms and internet functioning but yet theres zero on this occuring until after the russians left and azov were there for 3 days.

    The mayor posted quite a happy video when the russians left and zero mention of any atrocities, this is yet more ukrainian fuckery to create propaganda and smear putin. If this was the agenda they would find this in every town the russians were in not just 1 place.

    If nato/us get involved because of this then you can 100% know for sure this was a setup.



  2. A couple of YouTube videos pointed out some of the things mentioned in this article and a few other things that don’t add up also.
    I’m at the point now where I say Ukraine needs to have the same sort of restrictions applied to them that has have happed to Russia. I support neither side since I have seen videos of Ukraine actually doing their war crimes.



  3. Ukrainian history has been tumultuous and tragic.
    A very brief & simplistic cover of that history.

    … During the Middle Ages, the area was a key centre of East Slavic culture under Kievan Rus’, which was ultimately destroyed by the Mongol invasion in the 13th century.
    Over the next 600 years, the area was contested, divided, and ruled by external powers, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.
    The Cossack Hetmanate emerged in Central Ukraine in the 17th century but was partitioned between Russia and Poland, and ultimately completely absorbed by the Russian Empire.
    In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution a Ukrainian national movement re-emerged, and the Ukrainian People’s Republic was formed in 1917.
    This short-lived state was forcibly reconstituted into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which became a founding member of the Soviet Union (USSR) in 1922.
    From 1932 to 1933 the Holodomor killed millions of Ukrainians. In 1939, Western Ukraine was annexed from Poland by the USSR. …..

    During the Cossack times was racked with ongoing fighting such as “The Ruin” and always thousands being killed, on one side or the other.

    A concept of Ukrainian nationalism started.
    … Following the Polish–Ukrainian War and the Polish–Soviet War, western Ukraine was incorporated into Poland and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was formed in lands annexed by the Bolsheviks (1921 Peace of Riga).
    Modern-day Bukovina was occupied by Romania and Carpathian Ruthenia was admitted to Czechoslovakia as an autonomy. ….


    The Soviets bought their economic power struggles, early 1920’s famine then the collectivization with the 1930’s and Holodomor

    Then more bloody fighting during WW2 on both sides, carrying the seeds of “independence”.

    Note how the ever changing sides, so that when territory is taken, collaborators may be found.
    To be dealt with ruthlessly as the enemy.
    The past would seem to run deep.
    For the survivors of which ever side, it seems that trust of each other can never be found with a “winner take all” attitude. Those feelings in many ways are in parts deeply ingrained.

    Other countries, besides Russia may well look at picking up some pieces.
    Some of the Ukrainian ideology may well be dodgy, where other others powers seek to use them, just as Hitler also did.
    Then note a number that arose out of the Ukraine to rule all of the USSR.
    Is there a connection to this ruthlessness?
    What is the mind set of the average Ukrainian, and more importantly, what can they live with?

    Who has the right to arbitrate?
    Area by area?
    In War and this type of conflict, Truth seems to be a major causality.



  4. After listening and reading the total mistruths over the past years from dear leader and her sycophantic press, the bollocks that comes out of her mouth and from other countries e.g. the US and the UK and so many other countries it becomes very difficult, well impossible to believe anything that is told us these days. Same story, do your own research. Neither side of this conflict is clean. Ukraine has a dreadful history as do Russia. What the west think they are doing getting involved in this conflict I can only put down to the Biden family and co-horts getting their large amounts of funding from Ukraine. It is well known that they do,(Hunters laptop saga) and of course the Biden family are corrupt as hell. Maybe Russia would not have invaded if Biden had kept his mouth shut regarding this in the very beginning. Stupid old war mongering old man.



  5. I’m not anti Russia I’m anti the murdering thousands of old men and women ,children and their mothers no matter who is carrying it out, however on this subject from my research I’m wavering towards this killing is not the Russian armed forces but the Ukrainian “armed forces ” if they can be considered to be a united force considering how many different factions comprise that group.
    It comes down to the different groups jockeying for power now that the Russians have withdrawn and the fate of the Ukrainian people still on the ground in those areas depends on who triumphs in that fight IMHO.



  6. I noted in some blog comment about the signals the Russian civilians and Ukrainian symbols give off,

    If one has a white arm band, then it means an alignment with Russians.

    If one has a blue arm band , then it means an alignment with Ukrainians.

    When one is aware of that, in certain videos that may make some sense of what is happening.
    Seeing a white arm band on a number of victims in Bucha, raises some questions.
    Timing of some videos on the first liberation of Bucha by the Mayor & others, and then contrast with a few days later.

    The history of supposed collaborators, can one even remain neutral, and just what happened when territory was swept over one way and then the other way, even if called justice, does not seem to allow “forgiveness”.
    It is only probably a small minority, but sweeps up to create that sort of critical numbers of a majority that takes hold in crowds.



    • Neither would I believe a photo on the MSM without verification, because it is easy to take a photo with actors, or create CGI for videos. Again, to understand how it is done, I urge anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch “wag the dog”, with Dustin Hoffman and Robert De Niro.

      The first photo of a Ukrainian victim that graced my computer screen from the MSM, was one of a man with a bandage around his head, blood on his face. A portrait photo, fully and accurately centred, looking directly at the camera, with almost no background. What background their was, was blurred.

      He had a tortured look on his face, almost frenzied. He was clearly an actor. Full portrait photo for maximum effect. So a staged photo.

      [1] A person in that state is difficult to keep still, so at best you will not get a full on photo and not looking at the camera. It would take many takes.

      [2] He had recently received help to put on his bandage, but it was not tight, indicating either a sloppy hurried bandaging or time had passed since getting the bandage, or done for effect. So whoever gave him the bandage was remiss in not attending to his “bleeding wounds” and while supplying a bandage told him to piss off and “no you are not getting a band-aid for that cut”.

      [3] Despite what see in the movies it is a natural reaction to wipe blood off your face. In war it is different but if that was in the war zone, why cut out the background? Why not include the surroundings? Think of the photos at parliament. When the police started marching in and beating and destroying, did you see any closeup full portrait photos of a protester or a policeman? No, it was either videos, or photos zoomed out to show the chaos and the context. Even after the fact, There was no “standstill whiIe I take this photo.”

      [4] Another photo that showed a man standing beside the impact of a mortar shell hitting a building. Either side of the “missing brick” there are no stress fractures, but lots of “starburst lines” (painted on?) leading away from the hole, indicating an “explosion”, yet only one brick missing? The “star burst” lines indicate the explosion happened at the time of impact with the wall. Yet a decent mortar shell can severely damage a building from metres away.

      And the angle is all wrong for a shell that would have been on the last part of its trajectory arc and effectively coming down at 45°. The hole and the bricks do not look like like high strength bricks, and the bricks either side of the missing brick appear intact and not even slightly dislodged.

      All this from an explosion caused by a mortar bomb exploding on impact. I’ve never seen the damage from a mortar shell, but I have seen the destructive force of dynamite / gelignite, and I can read. So either the Russians are using mortar shells containing gun powder from a half a dozen tom thumb crackers, or the photo is a fake.

      With that degree of forgery on just two photos, how can you believe any others?



  7. Russia denies Bucha killing allegations, calls it ‘fake’ amid uproar at UNSC | English News | WION
    8 mins 26 secs : Apr 6, 2022 : WION

    From a comment thread
    …. March 31st Ukrainian Defense Minister said the area was liberated and no Russian soldiers present.
    April 1st-2nd Azov battalion entered the region.
    April 3rd, a full 4 days after retaking the area, they now suddenly think it’s important to mention this? ….

    …. Why would Russia have insisted on the UNSC holding an emergency meeting to discuss Bucha if they are guilty ?
    Why would the British chair of the UNSC not allow the meeting if it is confident that evidence against Russia is substantial ? ….

    …. He is bang on. The UN is a total waste of funding ….
    … So is EU and Nato ….

    So the truth is hobbled, bound, knee capped, as others want to blurr the timeliness of it, for their agenda.



  8. There was an article on The Conservative Treehouse yesterday basically saying the US State department is running this ( and the Pentagon possibly have no idea of what is really happening). Sundance said there will be no peace negotiations if the State Dept. do not want them. A day or so ago Gen. Milley was saying the war could go on for years !! This supports the idea that the State Dept. is trying to stuff up Russia and more specifically get rid of Putin —one of the regime changes again.



  9. Last night I watched a really good documentary by Oliver Stone called Ukraine On Fire (1.5hrs):


    The video was made before the Russian invasion and it doesn’t address any of the current accusations, but it’s a really good backgrounder to the current conflict, – albeit biased towards the Russian side – which shows the chaotic swings in Ukrainian society back and forth between Naziism, Communism and lawless mayhem.

    I’m sure Putin and the Russians aren’t angels…. but given the relentless advances of NATO and Western support for the criminals right on their doorstep, it’s hardly surprising that they have taken the military option.



    • The crap / killing / fighting / bloodshed going on the the Ukraine before all this, was so bad, caused it some exiles from that country to be embarrassed to call themselves Ukrainian, some preferring to call themselves Russian.

      And for the record, NZ is probably now more communist than Russia.

      And Putin has never supported the global pandering to the Climate Change Nazis.



  10. The UN General Assembly will vote on Thursday on suspending Russia from the Human Rights Council.

    This is being widely reported in the Japanese media.

    The mood seems to be a combination of “guilty until proven innocent,” “where there’s smoke, there’s a dead cyclist,” and “their grandfathers did it, so they must have done it too.”



  11. Glad to see that there are many who doubt MSM propaganda. I watched the video of the execution of the Russian soldiers, they thing that immediately stood out in the civilian footage was the lack of blood compared to the POWs being shot. Now there could be valid reasons for that, but it raises my suspicion.

    Most importantly, Russie sees its self as a Liberator. Liberators don’t execute civilians they are trying to liberate. Whats the motive?



  12. One good start would be to identify those civilians killed.
    Were they ethnic Russians living in Ukraine?

    What was the percentage of ethnic Russians living in Bucha? Let’s say 10%.
    If the killing was random, you would expect 10% of the victims to be ethnic Russians.
    If a significantly high proportion of those killed were ethnic Russians, that would suggest Ukrainian involvement.



    • Wheres the proof? All that link shows is a grainy image with disguarded weaponry or pushbikes?
      Then do you trust the cgi masters havent generated feelz images to support the fake narrative?

      Go back to your lil bush hut ya lefty goon, too much hurty feelz in the world for you at the moment 🙂



        • It clearly shows… um yeah ok buddy how much drugs have you smoked today. Once again grainy pictures with dark shapes that could be anything.

          Internet and cellphones were fully functional the whole time, everything else has been filmed why not this?
          Why did the happy mayor not mention it the day the russians left? Why if its so barbaric and an atrocity that the town knew all about and hid from did it take 4 or 5 days to come out?
          Those photos in your link are from a couple weeks ago why no mention then? Even if they do happen to be bodies theres no way to distinguish civilian or soldier from shit photos like that.

          Go back to being a hermit in your safe space bro, turn on red radio or watch cnn and top up your brainwashing.

          And red cross, You mean the group full of sex creeps that abuse and take advantage of 3rd world women and kids that are funded by rabid lefties? Yeah theyre gunna be a great unbiased investigator//



          • “Internet and cellphones were fully functional the whole time, everything else has been filmed why not this?”

            At the time Russians fully in control thats why.Furthermore do we have proof that telecommunications were fully operational in a war zone?

            If images from a couple of weeks ago it is plausible that their significance was not understood. Only when Russiam forces were driven out and what they left behind that obviously their significance became important.



        • Why are so many of those innocent civilians wearing white arm bands?
          What does that mean?
          That they have no guns maybe?
          Truce but to whom?
          Collaborators or not.

          Have you figured who wears the blue arm bands?



            • Volunteer territorial defence units, so it seems they are armed.

              So what is the concept behind Ukrainian white arm bands?
              Possibly the Russians made the civilians put them on? and to confuse the Ukrainians?
              Who knows? and what it means to the different sides.
              Then just is what is a side? NATO, while some countries give the arrows to prod & threaten while they are relatively safe behind their moats.

              War is ugly, and ugly decisions are made.
              The questions of motive, reason, gets all mixed up to serve different agendas.
              To what is the truth, when will we ever really know.

              …. “We’re seeing the same imagery that you are. We have no reason whatsoever to refute the Ukrainian claims about these atrocities — clearly, deeply, deeply troubling,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

              “The Pentagon can’t independently and single handedly confirm that, but we’re also not in any position to refute those claims.” ….

              Here in New Zealand, noting so many call for war, and to overturn Putin and they could be right.

              Yet how many give so much credence to Biden. All is well. …. yeah right …..



  13. This is worth considering when Putin used his utterly preposterous ” denazification “pretext for invading Ukarine . Neo nazism flourishes on his home front

    One of the worst ways Putin is gaslighting the world on Ukraine

    Putin isn’t fighting neo-Nazism. He nurtures it, making his pretext for invading Ukraine even more repellent.

    Among Russian President Vladimir Putin’s many fantastical pretexts for invading Ukraine, the urgent need for its “denazification” may be the most preposterous. Ukraine isn’t free of domestic extremists, but Putin’s claims are pure disinformation. In fact, the Russian strongman has been supporting neo-Nazis and white supremacists for years, including mercenaries and separatists who have waged war on Ukraine since 2014. 
    Putin isn’t fighting neo-Nazism. He nurtures it, making his gaslighting about Ukraine even more repellent.




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