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Morning all, believe it or not it’s not actually raining for a change. That’s 2 days in a row! Looks like we’ve got a new record.
must be that climate change thingy they keep telling us about?
have you thought about soaking the doll to kill the rain or you rekon that may induce a massive drought?
The doll has been a bit unreliable lately.
Tarquin must have stopped feeding its ego and stoking its pussy.
Make sure you keep that rain , we just starting to dry out from a very wet last 8 months .
been wet your way dougal?
southlands had a dream autumn and winter so far, driest one for quite a few years and the farmers are making the most of it.
the enviro retards will be disappointed cuz theres no belly deep cows in mud etc to take photos of and farmer bash with…. probs gunna end up a cunt of a spring tho, no skifs of snow yet and theres always at least 3 over winter and spring.
All the mud pics of cows could come from palmerston to ashvegas at the moment.
If the big drought continues for a couple more days I might even be able to mow the lawns for the first time in a month – and our place is on sand.
A couple more days and you will asking Nude Nut for drought assistance.
good morning fellow fuckers and fuckettes, must be cold of something cuz you lot are slacking off still curled up in bed.
i see the green party has a likely new samoan candidate, after his interview with paula penfold im sure his cv will be updated to show he has done journalism aswell as the long list of other stuff he hasnt really done.
amazing someone can pull that shit off and get given govt jobs without anyone actually checking out credentials.
anyways his cv dosent say hes a gynecologist so is it safe to say hes gay enough for the greens or will he have to resort to being a labour party mp?
It sounds like this very fine young aspirational Samoan??
unfailingly cooperative and polite.
“I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to defend myself,” he wrote. “I’m grateful to live in a country where due diligence still means something.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360762966/justice-appointee-whose-law-degree-claim-was-mistake
Just as howitis, the whole governmental system has been drawn into this, where they can plug in to a money-scam to rip people off.
At least he is not using tik?ng? .
Sort of funny how others are drawn into his orbit by his gravitas.
…amazing someone can pull that shit off and get given govt jobs…
not really
Talking shit and being useless is what gets you govt jobs.
place is full of them
Through and Through.
Interview
Gormless govt interviewer: Are you good at MSU ?
Candidate . Yes
Gormless govt interviewer: Well you are in then. When can you start ?
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MSU = Make shit Up
Think I have seen it before, not sure if on here, but I thought it was fairly good.
Nationals Maorificataion is their achilles heel and they don’t see it, voters do not make up their minds in the weeks before an election its the term in office and what a party actually delivers and at the half way mark we have a very good idea were National stands. This is why NZ first is gaining in popularity as electors see the lack of substantial improvements in their lives and the constant refusal to answer questions. The latest example being Simeon Browns interview with Mike Hoskin when asked if National would maintain the pass mark for entering medical school at 78% for Maori againt 98% for a whitre person, Brown obfuscated claiming review and even refused to state his personal position. My perception is that National MPs are implementing policies that align with their personal opinion without reflecting the opinions of their electorate. Now I understand that my vote will go to the candidate who reflects and effects my opinion and that is unlikely to be a National party candidiate – ditto my party vote. Luxflakes, Stanford, Brown,Potaka et all take note, I am unlikely to be alone.
Former house Frau and lunch lady, and now finance minister, nikki willyless, wants Fonterra to explain the price of butter .
Even if Fonterror do explain – and it will be horseshit- willyless would not understand.
Has willyless even paused to recall she has asked supermarkets to explain things.
They are the actual price setters in NZ.
This is pretending to be strong when in fact she just looks (even more) silly.
Perhaps in her 44 years nikki might have thought to study finance or economics instead of churnalism and English litt.
It is pretty sad when grant Robbers son , who took 7 years to get a BA, is a smarter finance minister than you!!!
The current wholesale price of butter from Fonterra is US$7492 = NZ$12554 a ton =1000 Kg and the standard pack of butter is 500g so 2000 packs per ton which is $6.277 a pack. Gross margin at NW price of 9.89 is 57% including packing freight wholesale whole sale and retail margin. I doubt wholesale and retail margins exceed $1.73 a pack so at retail cost of $8 the retail margin is at least 23% probably more.
@$9.89 then somewhere along the way theres $1.28 of gst in there aswell.
it usually gets sold to a distributor (owned by the duopolies) then onsold to the supermarkets so theres multiple layers if ticket clipping along the way.
i still dont think its a big issue, everything has gone up and this is just a lefty feelz/envy thing they can attack farmers and govt for.
i dont see them getting upset at horrific prices for beer etc in pubs/bars compared to bottlestore and wholesale prices or the cost of cafe/restaurant food etc. ppl just bite the bullet and pay if they want it, no ones forcing people to by meat and dairy, its a nice to have not an essential must have.
Fonterror is what we got because , as usual, Notional fucked around.
The review was lingering for years of what to do with the Dairy co-ops.
It got serious about 1997.
Notional dithered (under Shipley shakes, quelle surprise ! ) so Clark’s liebour got onto it.
Given liebour never have any commercial expertise (university wankers like Cullen, Margaret Wilson, Merry Palmer et al ) we got the shocker that is Fonterror
Notional are dithering now for 21 months and it is 15 months to the next erection.
To be sure, luxcinda’s excuse for doing nothing after March next year is
” oh chucks. we cant make any major changes 6 months out from an election ”
for it will be FAFO from there on.
all the promises are just dithering
they are already Re-promising and making Re-announcements of previous announcements.
Howi, two things, a lover of little Fhilipino boys like Robertson (his work Computer at Parliament will confirm this) can’t be smarter than you.
And, having to ask your former Employer for a please explain, when you should know the answer, does confirm Nicky is pretty thick.
Filipino boys have bussy’s
and the bussy is warmer in Philippines than in Dunnydin !
One wants it warmed up…I imagine !!
just sayin’
global butter prices are $12.5k nzd per ton, thats around $6.20 per 500gram block.
is wholesale butter on these markets even packaged or is it bulk? if not factor in packaging costs, transport, distribution centre costs/profit, more transport cost/profit, supermarket cost/profit and there we have the domestic butter price.
if fonterror sold it domestic for less than export price then the board needs sacked for not obtaining best prices for its suppliers/shareholders.
cunt willis should be looking into why taxpayers fork out exorbitant salaries for tens of thousands of politicians and bureaucrats that continue to screw over kiwis. butter and meat prices are least of our worries imo.
A Greek and an Irishman found themselves in a Starbucks one afternoon, casually chatting about the proud achievements of their respective cultures over steaming lattes.
The Greek leaned back with a smile and said, “You know, we built the Pantheon, not to mention the Temple of Apollo.”
The Irishman nodded, taking a sip of his coffee. “Impressive, no doubt, but it was us Irish who discovered the significance of the Summer and Winter Solstices.”
Not to be outdone, the Greek added, “And don’t forget, it was the Greeks who laid the foundations for advanced mathematics.”
“Fair enough,” the Irishman replied, “but the Irish were the ones who crafted the first timepieces.”
Sensing his moment to triumph, the Greek smiled knowingly. “Ah, but remember, it was the ancient Greeks who introduced the idea of sex as a pleasurable activity!”
The Irishman paused, set his cup down, and grinned. “That’s true,” he said, “but it was the Irish who got women involved.”
So the stay-at-home Mum doesn’t know why butter costs so much , yet she is our lack-of-finance Minister.
Surely Nicola Willis already knows why butter costs what it costs, says Labour. Not so, she says7:23am
https://www.stuff.co.nz/media/images/9Tzi8ywRz924XE3uHaD6DZ3Ef+IdbOiYlvIROR5vlqUeRrexTocZGobKRJ9od%2Fgnk3B%2FCeKTmTAsIjj6Q0YaYRJo70me8Yd%2Fc75DUr9tTwVXZFw+nE8uZYymEI16maNLZhDAbOFPvNtJf6Oe7EAMu+6uuJlvX1Sg5hE1BMlG6NpigI0%2FV0y0HWuj5eUAhkh9jO2hiPWx9Yd49+o9SjXM4A==
2:42
Finance Minister Nicola Willis should already know how Fonterra set prices because she worked at the diary giant, Labour says..
Willis is publicly pressing Fonterra to explain why butter costs more in New Zealand than Australia, but her office insists she is not targeting it and it’s inaccurate to assume she fully understands its pricing strategy despite her past senior roles at the company.
Willis said she would meet with Fonterra on Tuesday night, where she is due to ask representatives to explain why Kiwi families are paying so much for basics like butter. She has promoted the meeting for more than a week.
Labour’s finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds suggested Willis was being disingenuous and the meeting was a political performance.
“it’s inaccurate to assume she fully understands its pricing strategy despite her past senior roles at the company.”
So that’s an admission that she was a puppet in her job.
What was her degree? Some journo type crap.
I tend to agree with Edmonds.
Perhaps the leaders at Fontera will treat her like the kid she is.
Here is what she did.
Willis was formerly the Director of Global Stakeholder Affairs and General Manager of Nutrient Management — positions that dealt with trade, environmental strategy, and government relations — at the dairy giant. She worked there for six years.
Oh and that was under a CEO who nearly broke the company.
The cost per dairy farmer I saw quite a way back is into $ thousands per farmer per year.
KickStart Breakfast has been delivering Anchor milk and Sanitarium Weet-Bix to schools across New Zealand since 2009. The programme celebrated its 15-year anniversary in 2024.
https://www.fonterra.com/content/dam/fonterra-public-website/fonterra-new-zealand/documents/infographics/kickstart-flier.pdf
Now the public believe they have the tik?nga? to demand even a major discount on butter.
Fonterror
Skillset >>
Boiling milk
putting the resulting powder in brown paper bags
selling no ‘value add ‘ products
=no improvement in 60 years
it is sooo fecking useless it is in the process of selling the Brands
like Anchor, Kapiti and Mainland
and yet they have 30 staff on over a million bucks a year
that broken down moron, Todd MOOller was on 3/4 million per annum salary
For what ?
And that dumb Hausfrau, witless willyless , backed him in the 2020 coup.
no idea.
Is the aussie fonterra butter from nz or the plants its currently trying to sell over there because they aren’t making any money at the aussie price of butter.
“Finance Minister Nicola Willis should already know how Fonterra set prices because she worked at the diary giant, Labour says”
Is that like that slimy prick Cunliffe, who said he was at the initial formation of Fonmterra? Insinuating that it was all his idea?
Shit
I would not claim to have been involved in creating that abortion
I was on a project there in 2005. What a shit show.
So disorganised.
Would have been better off as a chicken farm as there were lots of headless chooks.
Too many management layers.
Trying to force the shitty Kraut SAP software on the place when it was operational with far superior products.
Then they tried to cut the agreed remuneration. I bailed after 4 weeks.
Fonterror. Born dodgy. Will die dodgy.
What’s the goss on this SB?
Seems a bit of a strange thing.
boat tipped or fire?
‘Profound loss’: Invercargill businessman Rick Murrell dies on boating triphttps://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360764714/profound-loss-invercargill-businessman-rick-murrell-dies-boating-trip
dunno, seen that last night and thought wtf.
gas leak? drug/drunk boat trip gone wrong? half sunk?
fuck knows, i dunno any locals that way to know any gos, HPs BIL might know but sounds like the guy has bigger issues to worry about.
Dont ask the BIL to Google it then !!!
or ask the Doctors at Kew.
They will take 2 weeks to find out !!
I will ask him SB, he is big wheel in Te Anau Boating club.
He doesn’t know him, with one still alive guess should come out fairly shortly.
Here’s something else Seymopur could get sorted. Close down the Medical Association and stop it from controlling Doctors’ registration.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/experienced-gynaecologist-stuck-in-cleaning-job-as-hundreds-of-women-wait-for-specialist-care-in-hawkes-bay/IYGLR3QBHBBKJCPDS4YVYB26FA/
I’ve tried to get that taken up by NZ First. But not just for doctors.
It’s getting more and more absurd!
DoC Idea to Turn Public’s Iconic Molesworth Station Into Pines is Crazy
https://coranz.org.nz/doc-idea-to-turn-publics-iconic-molesworth-station-into-pines-is-crazy/
Planting productive farmland in pines is part of the globalist attack on food supplies. You are the carbon they want to reduce.
Retards. Grassland converts up to 6-7 times as much CO2 as pines. Idiots.
I don’t get this whole pines thing. Sure they might suck up some carbon, but that will be released when they die and rot, right? Regrowth will occur but the only way you can keep ahead by planting pines, is to keep planting more and more until there’s nowhere else to plant them. And so we’re buggered.
Don’t try and be logical, Saggy
The whole carbon credits stuff is horseshit.
the carbon zero/net zero is crapola of the highest order.
planting trees to OFFSET hollywierd people flying about in private jets is absurd.
AIRNZ asking you to pay $4 or whatever towards a tree when flying is more luxcinda crap.
Carbon ain’t that bad. You are 18-20% carbon
Do you have an Offset for that ///
Planting trees on grassland to offset CO2 DECREASES the CO2 to )2 conversion by a factor 6 or 7. DoC, employing retards since forever.
That is at least 40+ years in the making. I remember being in the area and having that wonderful “only person in the world” feeling.
Obama Argues He Can’t Be Charged With Treason Since He Wasn’t Born In America
https://babylonbee.com/news/obama-argues-he-cant-be-charged-with-treason-since-he-wasnt-born-in-america
Announced this morning. Sky TV buys Three for $1.
The new deal means Sky suddenly has a massive new free-to-air platform, for which it can compete directly with the likes of TVNZ for sales and audience.
If they seriously want to up the audience, they need to completely de-woke, de-bias that junk outfit, and introduce a Skynews program similar to what they have in Aus, and they’ll make mince meat of the lost cause TVNZ.
If these executives can’t read the room where the huge gap in the market is they are throwing away the opportunity of a lifetime.
https://nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider/media-insider-sky-tv-buys-three-for-1-in-massive-media-shake-up/46X6MUICVNDWZGYUIE7CE2ZDF4/
Media Minister Paul Goldsmith said the sale was “quite exciting” for the sector.
Given anything that effeminate knob says is proven to be wrong or misleading.
we can see the future.
F.T.A. teevee died 10 years ago.
Warner will have to write off, I guess, over $40 million in accumulated losses just from recent trading losses alone .
but we have seen that there are a bunch of US outfits, not just USAID that pour money into propaganda.
The woke agenda.
This is what has been happening here .
Soros related , Gates related, Christy Walton, Steve Jobs Widow and many many more support this stuff.
Looks like a govt bail out to me , sky nz is owned by acc and super fund as 2 main shareholders.
One dollar.
That is like a 50% discount at the $2 shop.
Bargain!
💲 💲 💲 💲 💲
Yay !
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…..” Sky TV buys Three for $1″…..
Warner Bros drive a hard bargain!
Did Sky pay too much??????
That’s a kick in the face for Sharon Boucher after buying stuffed for one dollar.
Who got the better deal?
One dollar each says a lot for the future employment prospects for both!
Churnilst are not are not a high paying needed job as the have been employing kiddies!
Kiddies who know nothing, aren’t interested in finding out how the world actually works and think their readers are all woke, shallow and stupid like themselves.
Hoping SkyNZ will find a few Lindsay Perigo types who can hold their end up in a probing interview. Inquisitive, free thinking mavericks with a few clues who aren’t daunted by woke and weird lefty power bullying from msm and slippery govt officials.
Ever wondered what was really behind the bank’s scramble for ID for everything disguised as a crack down on money laundering? Does the future of Bitcoin concern you? Want to know where things are actually heading?
Sky News Australia have been doing a little digging. Apparently the world’s Reserve banks have a central Bank for International Settlements (BIS) centred in Basel, Switzerland where a group of unelected officials is reshaping the future of money. Under their auspices the Australian central bank is working on a ‘groundwork for a new financial architecture—one built not just on digital money, but on programmable money’.
The new currency will not only be digital. It is money that is programmed. It can expire if it is not spent, it can be programmed so that it can only be spent in a particular area. No donations to unapproved causes & no payments to “non-compliant” vendors. It doesn’t even need Parliamentary approval to be altered…..just a policy tweak.
“This is money that knows what it’s being spent on, and money that can say “no” when it doesn’t like the answer.”
Full article at https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/money-that-can-expire-rba-laying-groundwork-for-a-dystopian-financial-reality-where-money-is-given-a-brain-and-then-the-switch-is-handed-to-someone-else/news-story/540f4ddbd02fdb7c7436970dbec81c81?ct=YTo1OntzOjY6InNvdXJjZSI7YToyOntpOjA7czo1OiJlbWFpbCI7aToxO2k6MTAxNzt9czo1OiJlbWFpbCI7aToxMDE3O3M6NDoic3RhdCI7czoyMjoiNjg3ZTc5NGU3ZmE4YTU1NTI1NTAyMyI7czo0OiJsZWFkIjtzOjY6IjEwMTgxMSI7czo3OiJjaGFubmVsIjthOjE6e3M6NToiZW1haWwiO2k6MTAxNzt9fQ%3D%3D
This is control on steroids. Read & weep.
H/T RCR Bites
Interesting.
My son has been up in Ethiopia and way into the hinterland where the roads run out. He told me even so, the locals all had cellphones and ran around taking their own pictures.
they will be got at.
An enterprising kid in the nearest village has a solar charger and charges the locals top up their phones. No power for many miles.
The big problem out there is drink bottles. No way to get rid of them so piles and piles of them.
cbdc.
That is why it should be resisted at all costs.
All the reserve banks are trying to introduce but at least Trump has been clear there will be no CBDC in the USA.
https://x.com/angelmd1103/status/1947385188050428277?s=46
Is this gold panning the stupidboy way?
https://x.com/interesting_ail/status/1947439565934850419?s=46
done a bit of detecting on the weekend, just a bunch of metal junk no gold 🙁
panning sux, too slow and its hard on my back n knees. i used to dredge, only panning was the concentrates at the end of the day.
The natives where my son is working do this and can earn $800 per day.
Usually the women, as the men can’t be bothered.
Can they deport her here so she can stalk me….
https://nypost.com/2025/07/18/us-news/ohio-teacher-hannah-freeman-sobs-as-shes-sentenced-for-stalking-ex-boyfriend-while-lawyer-clashes-with-judge/
Got a week in the slammer. ( but then as they say, don’t stick your dick in crazy…..)
She’s a bunny-boiler. Do not enter
tain the thought.His balls are writing cheques that his body couldn’t cash. 🙂
US Fed Chairman resigns at last
https://x.com/CarlBMenger/status/1947281174902047230
I have formally referred Jerome Powell to the DOJ for criminal investigation. Chairman Powell knowingly misled both Congress and executive branch officials about the true nature of a taxpayer-funded project. Lying under oath is a serious offense— especially from someone tasked Show more
https://x.com/RepLuna/status/1947341001204633997
Makes it fairly clear how he feels.
AI says it’s not true.
“Jerome Powell ResignationAs of July 22, 2025, Jerome Powell has not officially announced his resignation as Chair of the Federal Reserve. Despite various rumors and public pressure from President Donald Trump, Powell himself has not confirmed any decision to step down from his position.” AI outing AI?
Fed chair Jerome Powell to deliver speech tomorrow; ‘resignation coming’ says Federal Housing Directorhttps://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/fed-chair-jerome-powell-to-deliver-speech-tomorrow-resignation-coming-says-federal-housing-director-101753152859918.html
The swamp creatures are facing extinction.
Living in the past. Wise words by Laws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irDW7O6lo6U
250-Year-Old Anchor Discovery Shows We Just Can’t Move On
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I think I’ve found one of the monkeys…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHybwS1LzPY
Michael Laws On Stuff’s Claim That Jacinda Ardern Is New Zealand’s Winston Churchill
If you glance at the skies tonight and spot a pig flying past a blue moon, it may only be the second most surprising part of your day.
Because at 12:28pm on this unlikely Tuesday, the Taxpayers’ Union endorsed a Green Party tax policy and urged the National-led government to support it.
Don’t get too excited. It wasn’t the $20 billion wealth tax. It was a proposal from the party’s local government candidates in Wellington to change how rates are calculated.
Instead of taxing properties on their total value, including buildings and improvements, the Green candidates want to base rates solely on the value of the underlying land.
Jordan Williams, executive director of the Taxpayers’ Union, said the current system effectively penalised the kind of development that makes cities more liveable.
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/134328/leftwing-green-party-has-found-common-ground-small-government-lobby-group
It will be so good to go to land tax.
That will really help in ease down the price of that block of land.
We then can really then appreciate all the trimmings, like rain-bow pedestrian crossings, plenty of arty fartty schuptures & art works, community halls, cycle ways, workshops sports & theatre arenas, all for your well being, etc..
The sky becomes the limit for those pigs, for how many cents in the dollar of value can be charged on land values.
Over a period of time, placing your house on a block of land will become a perpetual lease, that one will pay as rates to the equivalent one one will pay in interest rates on that block of land.
Sure the land value will go down, as the rates go up.
Although Capital Value rating has some issues, for some one to develop, it means that the Councils do have to eye just how much they can charge in the $ valuation to make improvements.
Though a bone of contention, a wise counsellor can see that this requires a balance of just what will be spent, so it does not stuff up a good rate payer in his business….
Some people call out “land-banking” so that person’s property rights is forfeited in paying substanially higher rates to a point that actually no one can own that land, & has to be made very productive to pay the ticket that is fully clipped by the Council, to decide & spend for your well being.
Seems to be in line with socialism, to become communism.
it should be calculated better then that imo, occupancy numbers should be a factor. its bullshit that there could be 2 identical houses side by side, one with 2 old pensioners and the other 7islanders or fillipinos. both pay the exact same rates but 1 house uses bugger all services while the other uses tripple.
how councils would actually work out occupancy is where it runs into trouble tho and i guess thats why its not used.
poll tax is how rates should really be done but heaven forbid socialists having to pay their fair share of tax!
New Zealand Police are Fucking Incompetent. Today in Auckland they closed the Southern Motorway for a long period of time because there was some “operation” on the footpath next to the motorway. And “an abundance of caution’ was cited as the reason. FFS. It was NOT on the fucking motorway. The economic cost of this “abundance of caution” is yet to be estimated.
Maybe if they had used an abundance of caution in selecting their deputy Police commissioner, they would not have selected a pig fucking paedophile. Effing moronic twats.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/motorway-mayhem-long-queues-after-crash-on-aucklands-southern-motorway/5GJ7ZT62VFGTDP3MMH5L4VREAY/
Motorway mayhem: ‘Long queues’ after crash on Auckland’s Southern Motorway
Four cars collided in a nose-to-tail crash.
Police ask motorists to be patient as there are long queues of traffic at the crash scene.
Whenever there is an accident, the cops always make a point of clogging up traffic needlessly so they can measure tyre marks and otherwise fuck around. But report a burglary and they immediately lose interest.
Why can’t the cops send up a drone, take video or pictures for skid marks etc and placement of vehicles involved THEN OPEN THE DAMN ROAD?
cuz something resembled an improvised explosive device.
has nz even seen a bomb since rainbow warrior?
wtf do the snowflakes consider “resembling an improvised explosive device” ffs that could be any fucking thing. bunch of fucktards let their imagination run wild while their common sense cowered in fear.
And maybe not. From the Policing Act 2008:
“13Appointment of Deputy Commissioners
The GG rubber stamps the choice of the Prime Minister who at the time of McSkimming’s appointment was none other than Chris Hipkins. The Public Service Commissioner provides advice & handles the recruitment process.
Because it was Labour’s fuck up & theirs alone we have been spared the screeching of the partisan MSM calling for the resignation of Police Minister Mitchell.
Ahh thanks for that. maybe Chippie got confused about “hiding the sausage ( roll)” in their discussions… It still beggars belief that in this age someone in such a high profile position can be such a fucked up person psychologically.
Haven’t a motorway without fencing dividing the footpath from road.
ROL if you’re still around:
I’ve been trying to get some sense out of the scientific word soup published on the subject of turning waste plastic into oil through pyrolysis. What I want to know is the energy efficiency of turning plastic waste (instance PET) into liquid fuel (probably diesel or kero) expressed as a percentage of energy input. The knowledge is undoubtedly out there somewhere but trying to get a grip on the articles suggested by Google is like nailing jelly to wall.
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I know nothing about this but chucked it into Grok:
Pyrolysis is a thermochemical process that converts waste plastic into oil by heating it in the absence of oxygen, typically at 300–600°C. The process breaks down plastic polymers into smaller hydrocarbons, producing liquid oil, gas, and solid char. Here’s a concise overview:
Process
Yields
Advantages
Challenges
Current State
Considerations
If you want specifics, like analyzing a company’s pyrolysis process or recent innovations from X or web sources, let me know!
Thanks for your reply. Highly informative but when it states “Energy-Intensive: Requires significant heat, impacting cost and emissions.” it bypasses the gist of my search.
That is the actual efficiency or the energy required to run the process versus the potential energy contained in the processed product expressed as a percentage.
I have pasted a deeper response but its waiting moderation as it had too many links However I’ll repost here without links
The energy efficiency of converting polyethylene terephthalate (PET) plastic waste into liquid fuels like diesel or kerosene depends on the process used, such as pyrolysis, catalytic pyrolysis, or other chemical recycling methods. Energy efficiency is typically defined as the ratio of the energy content of the output fuel to the energy input required for the conversion process, expressed as a percentage. Based on available data, precise figures for PET-to-liquid fuel conversion efficiency are scarce, but I can provide a synthesized estimate using insights from related processes.
### Key Processes and Efficiency Considerations
1. **Pyrolysis**: This is the most common method for converting plastic waste into liquid fuels. It involves heating plastics in an oxygen-free environment (typically 300–600°C) to break them down into liquid hydrocarbons, gases, and char. For PET, pyrolysis is less straightforward due to its oxygen content, which can lead to oxygenated compounds in the output, reducing fuel quality.
– Studies indicate that pyrolysis of mixed plastics (including PET) yields liquid fuels with high heating values (e.g., 39.5–44.2 MJ/kg), comparable to diesel (44 MJ/kg). However, PET’s oxygen content can lower yields and complicate the process, requiring additional refining steps.[]
Energy efficiency for pyrolysis of mixed plastics (including PET) is estimated to be around **60–80%**, factoring in the energy content of the liquid fuel (70–80% yield) relative to the thermal energy input and losses from gas and char production. PET-specific efficiency is likely lower due to its chemical structure, potentially in the range of **50–70%**, though exact data is limited.[]
2. **Catalytic Pyrolysis**: Using catalysts (e.g., zeolites or biochar-based catalysts) can improve yield and reduce energy input by lowering the activation energy. Catalytic pyrolysis of PET with zeolite-based catalysts has shown to produce petrol-grade hydrocarbons with reduced oxygenated compounds, improving efficiency. Energy efficiency may increase to **70–85%** due to optimized yields and lower operating temperatures (e.g., 210°C in some processes).[]
3. **Energy Input Factors**:
– **Heating**: Pyrolysis requires significant thermal energy (e.g., 300–600°C). Microwave-assisted pyrolysis has shown promise for reducing energy consumption by providing rapid, efficient heating.[]
**Output Energy Content**:
– Liquid fuels from PET pyrolysis have a calorific value of ~39.5 MJ/kg, slightly lower than diesel (44 MJ/kg) or kerosene (43 MJ/kg).[]
### Estimated Energy Efficiency
Based on the data, the energy efficiency of converting PET to liquid fuel (diesel or kerosene) via pyrolysis is approximately **50–70%** for thermal pyrolysis and potentially **70–85%** for catalytic pyrolysis. These figures account for:
– Energy input for heating (major contributor, often 20–30% of total energy).
– Losses from non-liquid products (gas, char, ~20–30% of output).
– Additional energy for pre-treatment and refining (5–10% of total energy).
### Challenges and Notes
– **PET-Specific Issues**: PET’s oxygen content leads to lower fuel yields and higher char production, reducing efficiency compared to other plastics like HDPE or PP.[]
### Estimated Energy Efficiency
Based on the data, the energy efficiency of converting PET to liquid fuel (diesel or kerosene) via pyrolysis is approximately **50–70%** for thermal pyrolysis and potentially **70–85%** for catalytic pyrolysis. These figures account for:
– Energy input for heating (major contributor, often 20–30% of total energy).
– Losses from non-liquid products (gas, char, ~20–30% of output).
– Additional energy for pre-treatment and refining (5–10% of total energy).
That last paragraph gave me the info I was after.
Thanks for your efforts.
Just used Grok. I am very skeptical on AI, but for these kinds of queries, it seems to do the job. My first version of the above post had all the links so put your query in and follow those for more info.
it produces enough energy to be a self sustaining process and still produce liquid fuel. the gases and poorer quality liquids get burnt to generate the heat.
same with tyres and waste oil pyrolisis/distilation, wood goes good too although thats gas not liquid.
its something ive always wanted to tinker with and ive been gathering parts and scrap to build a unit but im pretty time poor. ill have a go at wood first beause the gas is pretty much good to use raw with just simple filtering and bubbling through water but ultimately want to use balage wrap.
The subject of baleage wrap came up in a conversation I was engaged in thirty odd years ago when people first started to see that there was a downside to replacing traditional ways to make silage. Since then I’ve seen the subject of pyrolysis both lauded & rubbished but never backed with cold hard facts such as yields as a percentage of input.
Off subject but as you’re a fairly technical sort of rooster have you ever explored the possibility of powering your home via a methane digester. An old mate of mine did his time as a tinsmith before he bought a chook farm in the late 70s. Anyway he built a methane digester which supplied enough gas to heat the house & provide hot water.
With a ready supply of high octane chookshit it paid for itself untold times over.
yea i looked at it a few years ago, we were on the verge of buying a pig farm so wouldve had plenty of feedstock for the digester but the deal fell through and we went a different route.
when i was younger my fathers good mate ran his house off a methane digester and generator. i dont remember much about it but i knew he was feeding it potatoes and cow shit but had to get the ratios right cuz too much shit would make it sick.
…..”potatoes and cow shit but had to get the ratios right”……
I never asked him about that but as I recall he used to dump sawdust from the meat bird raising shed into the slurry. I wouldn’t have a clue about the ratio.
Do you reckon that it would work with straight cow or sheep shit as they would contain less nitrogen than pig or chook manure?
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