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  1. Ok then. I landed back in akl via a Thai air expat flight a few nights ago. No other flights just ours. Airbus A350/900 with only 60 paxs on board. $2000 economy or $3800 business class.
    Straight thru customs then like sheep ushered onto a bus and taken about 20 metres across the road to the Novotel. One at a time we were processed then allocated a room.
    Very nice. Lots of paperwork and info to read. 3 meals a day delivered to your door all pre ordered off a set menu. Ample food, good quality. Booze can be purchased via reception though it’s expensive. I thought ahead and grabbed 2 bottles of JW black label at Bangkok duty free on the way out.
    Allowed outside anytime for exercise around a fenced in area with security watching every move. One person only in lift at a time. Masks compulsory. Had my first covid test yesterday..pretty straight forward.
    So far very impressed with the organised and efficient procedures they have in place. My biggest gripe..its farrrkkkin cold!
    Ditch the bitch.

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    • Any chance of some of the addresses and phone numbers from your little black book Mikey ? Thai end of course ,LOL.

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    • Hmm. I genuine possibility for some honest reporting of what’s going on there. Please keep us up dated. I dont trust anything in any media and refuse to watch the 1 pm Labour Electioneering.

      If you are handing out numbers, see if any covid inmates details have been left lying around….. Taking photos of sign in pages at Countdown is so passe and does get the odd look. Telling them you are scanning the app only works so many times… ( No I have not actually done this…..but you can bet some perve has)

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      • Labour Party supporters have used sign in registers to gain contact the details of young people. They then make sexual advances on them.

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      • Not much else to report ROL. Its all pretty efficient and they have obviously had plenty through here. It certainly is a well oiled machine. Food and necessities are left at your door so you have minimal contact with staff. Most people just stay in their rooms. If you go outside for fresh air you just give your room number and name and on return check back in. Plenty of security around..theres no escape. Well fenced off. You can buy stuff on line from the supermarkets but no alcohol. No complaints so far.
        DP…you can mingle at reception but you must stay 2 metres apart. There is plenty of security there, a few Navy boys and one policeman. If you get to close to someone you are politley reminded to keep your distance.
        Ditch the Bitch.

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    • Thanks Mike – it’s nice to get straight oil on anything these days and there are basically zero trusted sources.

      So just to confirm. After 6 months it looks like they finally got their shit together and are managing to run the simple operation in an efficient and proficient fashion?

      Any signs of inappropriate mingling, could ill-intentioned types subvert the quarantine restrictions easily? Basically any of the things that caused the latest outbreak?

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    • A hell of a lot of drama and cost for a disease so deadly you need test to see if you have it for over 95% of people.

      A death rate in under 60 year olds of a fraction of a fraction of 1% for those who get it.
      Basically just ‘the flu’
      Unless you are a university wanker like Baker, Pink Hair or the eternal fuckwit, Hendy.

      Let the scare mongering and Great Reset continue.
      At tremendous cost.

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      • Saw some figures yesterday for the UK.
        1670 die each day from all causes. On average 11 of those are “covid deaths”. Like every other country they are prepared to wreck their economies over that.

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  2. Welcome back Mike, glad to know all is well in lockdown for you, apart from the cold, you ain’t seen nothing yet as a polar blast is on its way. Climate change is well known in these here parts. It’s a line that the liebour party push constantly along with drought and global warming. Glad you managed to get some JD at duty free though.
    On another note and more serious to boot. Has anyone heard from Alexander the Great? I am concerned I have not seen any postings of the photographs he usually sends in. There have been none of his comments either. I hope that he is OK and just laying low due to an other more exciting aspect to his life rather than the untoward arrests etc that do spring to mind when people from the right of left or not holders of a liebour party card have a protest.

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    • Yes ,strange he hasn’t reported back. Who did he go as yesterday? I told him dressing as Osama Bin Laden wasn’t such a good idea. Please tell me he didn’t go as the Prophet M.

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    • Were they rounding up Act supporters? I thought they’d target the supporters of AdvanceNZ!

      Come in from the cold agent Great 🤫

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      • Why would they target the supporters of Advance NZ?
        There is nowhere to put them.
        The mental homes were shut down in the 1980s and the Motels and Hotels are full of ‘guests’ paid for by the willing and enthusiastic taxpayer //

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  3. Some interesting politics on TV and radio this morning. Firstly Q + A on child poverty. After 10 on Radio Magic is 2 hours of politics. Nicole McKee will be on for at least part of the time.

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      • Yep and she is still the loud mounth haridan she always was. They are clealy short of panel people looking at the ones they have. Probably don’t pay enough these days.

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        • She may have Parkinsons, but she is the only one ever dressed up in fancy dress costume for a NZ election!
          You could understand in Uganda or similar!
          I mean,Even the maori party don’t get dressed in grass skirts!

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      • Perhaps Mike it is a side effect from anti-depressants that can cause Parkinson like shakes. Similar but very different since the drug induced side effect can be helped by many alternatives. As with all issues of this nature the sooner help is sought the better it can be addressed.

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  4. Where is the common sense?
    Ref: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12368207
    Herald headline: “Covid-19 coronavirus: Three German nationals detained in Bay of Islands after breaking Covid-19 border controls”

    The 4000km journey to the Bay of Islands took two months and 18 days, the website says. (So this vessel had been at sea for over 2 months, I assume with no contact with other vessels.) A Ministry of Health spokeswoman said the crew had applied for the exemption on humanitarian grounds and to repair the ship.

    “While there were aspects of the case that were unfortunate, these did not rise to the threshold of a compelling humanitarian need. ” Now. Would “a compelling humanitarian need” be granted to a boat-load of economic opportunity seekers out of Indonesia?

    The authorities are “by the book” until “a compelling humanitarian need” is decided, and then they fold like cards.
    I wonder which groups would qualify for a compelling humanitarian need?

    (Hint, refer to your handbook of intersectionality totem pole rankings. ///)

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    • For a “special” crew and any number.

      Winston Peters and Jacinda Ardern were happy to sign NZ up to the UN Global Migration Pact,
      Any lawyer would use for a long, tedious, costly, on the taxpayer, but well paid pursuit through the Courts, appeal & travel to the UN, then a well compensated settling in free accommodation, health, education etc.. assistance etc…

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    • Oh there you are ATG. Had us worried. Thought the stormtroopers may have had you in the interrogation wing. How was the turnout yesterday?

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    • ATG@0836

      Welcome back; glad to see that you have once again escaped the clutches of ‘Authority’. (The disguise must have worked).

      A question though: Why the Neil Young vid? Is it relevant to your experience yesterday?

      Thank you.

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  5. Why does the Herald suppress half of a person’s heritage?
    (From today’s hardcopy edition)
    “Proud Māori cop killed” (note use of Te Reo “Māori” to replace English “Maori.”)

    Reading down the text, we note: “Born to a Scottish mother and a Māori father.”
    The celtic half of his heritage is suppressed by the Maori half (and it is possible that his father was not pure Maori).
    Is it honest to favor “a drop of the right blood” over the rest of one’s lineage?

    Getting back to the story, this poor cop was shot and killed by a 23-year-old in custody who was handcuffed with his hands behind his back. This begs the question: where did the gun come from?
    The article provides a clue to the alleged perpetrator’s background by mentioning that he “… is being probed for extremist links”.

    Damn these white supremecists… //

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    • Why the questions O Sen?

      Are you wasting time with NZ media crap?
      You will learn nothing.

      One read of the DM and it is clear.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8772181/Pictured-Rugby-loving-London-sergeant-shot-dead-INSIDE-police-station.html

      The perp was a Sri Lankan troublemaker in London.
      Already classed as a ‘potential terror threat’
      which basically means that he was

      the stupidity is that he was ‘being processed for Covid check’ wank
      Do stupid things
      get stupid results

      It is spelt out and how the joker got the gun out
      No doubt NZ media filth are misreporting
      Again I am stumped why you expect to learn anything from them

      Last year with White Is. the NZ reporting was 36 hours behind the actual reporting of the Brits and Aussies .
      Everything is heavily, massively screened in Pravda NZ

      The Maori men and Scottish women like getting in on.
      This gave NZ such esteemed leaders as Winston Peters and Kelvin ‘who’ Davis who are among the products of such unions

      At least Peters does not do the hating on white people like dumbass Davis does. Dumbass also married a 100% white woman
      But still hates. Kelvin Davis is truly F.I.T.H.

      Anyhow the NZ media filth will not cover the Sri Lankan aspect and moozlem terror angle as the UN said not to .
      It is not in the playbook

      Recall that after ChCh Mar 15 and Brenton Tarrant, Brenton Tarrant, Brenton Tarrant there was a revenge massacre on Easter Sunday 21 April 2019 by a coordinated attack by moozlem suicide bombers on multiple Christian churches

      269 dead plus eight religion of pieces scum
      But the media filth in NZ will not report this honestly
      They will go on about the 51 here but The UN days not to show sympathy for Christians.

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    • it is fake news since handguns were all banned an confiscated ofter the Police stuffed up in 1996 and Dunblane.there is a common theme here…

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  6. Was Uncle Winston, remember who attended the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation in Turkey in agreement with this after the Christchurch massacre?
    Did he give Ardern a heads up to be in compliance for the memorial service of Christchurch to agree to “Hate Speech Laws” as also asked for by the muslim leader in Christchurch.

    Now also internationally asked for by President Erdogan, addressing the UN and representing all the muslim countries.

    “RACISM, XENOPHOBIA AND ISLAMOPHOBIA HAVE REACHED AN ALARMING LEVEL”
    And now, I want to draw your attention to a problem that threatens humanity, but for some reason is considered invisible.
    Racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia and hate speech have reached an alarming level.

    In the course of the pandemic, acts of violence against vulnerable people, especially migrants and asylum-seekers, accelerated while xenophobia and racism increased.
    Muslims are the most exposed to these dangerous tendencies fueled by prejudice and ignorance.
    Those who are primarily responsible for this dangerous course are politicians who turn to populist rhetoric for the sake of votes, and marginal segments who legitimize hate speech by abusing the freedom of expression.
    I urgently call on all international organizations to take more concrete steps in the fight against this mentality.
    I reiterate my call for March 15, the day of the terrorist attack perpetrated in New Zealand against Muslims, to be declared by the United Nations as ‘International Solidarity Day Against Islamophobia’.
    As the second largest international organization after the United Nations, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation has officially recognized this day.

    https://www.tccb.gov.tr/en/news/542/122153/-our-priority-in-the-eastern-mediterranean-is-to-settle-disputes-in-a-sincere-dialogue-based-on-international-law-

    So it seems that many modern day muslim countries do memorialize the Christchurch massacre, specializing the day, and seem to demand and call for a greater memorializing by bringing in “hate” laws to control free speech.

    A muslim leader, Gamel Fouda in Christchurch, just like Mohammad would, is asking and will get hate speech laws that will then force all New Zealanders to become sharia compliant in part.
    Ardern agrees, if they win the election.

    ….. “Freedom of speech becomes hate speech,” he said at the unveiling.
    “Hate turns into hate crime as we have seen at the 15th of March.” ……..
    …… Fouda wants to see a new law differentiating between hate speech and free speech.

    “I’d like to see a new law in New Zealand and I think New Zealand has seen a lot and we went through a lot.
    The blood of those people shouldn’t be forgotten,” he said.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-labour-wouldn-t-stop-with-just-religion-in-hate-speech-crackdown.html

    The blood of muslim martyrs seem to demand it, as Turkish President and many muslim countries demand it, so that Mohammad (PBUH) “perfect man” can be followed more truly in the ways he taught, guided, sayings, deeds & actions.
    All to be done according to the koran, hadith & sira. hmmm.

    The correct memorial for the “shaheed” as many good pious devout muslims asks for; seems to be that all New Zealanders are expected to pay for muslims, is to follow a part of sharia, by giving up “free speech” and putting in place “hate speech” laws.

    Here Ardern does her spiel of getting “hate speech” law changes through.
    Note W. Peters queasy words, so what will it take for a trade off,
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-promise-hate-speech-legislation-changes-if-re-elected?auto=6194037980001

    This will also help in UN compliance also turning free speech over to “hate speech laws” which Peters happily signed with Ardern’s blessings, of the “UN Global Immigration Pact”.

    Just why are so many New Zealanders happy with islamic sharia demands when a muslim hijrah arrives.
    Is it just to control all “white supremacists”, especially the “white privileged”?

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  7. Any news on the 3 covid cases from the chartered flight from Christchurch.? I am thinking could these be connected to the Senetencing . Link the dots.. Christchurch, chartered flight Mt Roskillistan ( St Lukes) or am I being a bit tin foil…….

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  8. So far so good. I have not heard from trout mouth today….. She must be tracking down the Nanny.

    Received our dearly beloved Listener publication yesterday. Interesting reading of the political roundup by Bill Ralston whose wife appears to be chief Press Secretary for the Nats. Well she was for Muller anyhow.

    I was chuffed to learn that along with thousands of other Kiwis he was irritated by the commie chicks patronising lectures about the alert levels. I’m surprised that her numerous minders have not warned her about this. Maybe the stories about her being high maintenance and fragile are true. At one stage she was going through Staff like Jethro was going through the Shortland Street female cast.

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    • Thank goodness for democracy.
      The Victorians will be able to vote for a change in their state government at the next election.

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    • Thanks for posting AtG. All those who have lived through and fled from communist regimes to Australia and now find it has followed them to devour democracy once again. They see what is happening while many Aussie’s, Kiwis, Yanks, the Poms and others of western culture are still blind lambs gamboling to slaughter.

      “Watching Victoria’s premier at a recent press conference a memory suddenly sprang to mind. His blasé dismissal of protestors who were so clearly suffering echoed the demeanour of Madame Nhu, First Lady of South Vietnam during my youth, famous for saying “Power is wonderful, and total power is totally wonderful.” I found myself recalling Madame Nhu’s smiles when buddhist monks committed suicide by self-immolation, how she dismissively called these needless deaths “buddhist barbeques”.

      I watch Melbourne each day and feel profoundly disturbed. Compassion is dead here. Life in this city has become a slow suicide.”

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      • ‘I watch Melbourne each day and feel profoundly disturbed’

        that is OK WG.
        She is in good company
        The popular, beloved, youthful PT Prime Minister of NZ is also profoundly disturbed !!

        What did they think was going to happen when Melbourne got a big mural of Ardoom on a water tower?

        The message
        Totalitarianism, Oppression and Control is coming your way.
        Comrades Comrades Comrades

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  9. The problem is ideology. Collins and Goldsmith either do not understand, do not believe in, or lack the courage to fight for the supply-side neo-liberalism that was at the heart of the Reagan-Thatcher-Douglas economic revolution. Instead, they have by ignorance, intention, or cowardice, fallen into the progressive Keynesian dogma that the only way to stimulate an economy is by boosting demand.

    They abandoned charter schools. Their policy is now merely to embrace the partnership model that ensures the bureaucracy retains a firm grip to prevent any truly exceptional institutions emerging to embarrass the underperforming state sector.

    The intention to scrap the Resource Management Act is promising, but given the current National leadership does not appear to really believe in the power of free enterprise, a voter could be forgiven for suspecting that they will merely end up tinkering with it.

    Collins’ tragedy is she has waited two decades to lead her party, but has spent none of that time thinking or reading about what she would do once she had the crown.

    Had she done so, she could have used her excellent communication skills to articulate to the electorate a real alternative to the status quo, not merely the unappealing promise of maintaining the ancient regime with a new titular ruler at the helm.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300115768/the-national-partys-problem-is-a-lack-of-ideology

    The problem is ideology. Collins and Goldsmith either do not understand, do not believe in, or lack the courage to fight for the supply-side neo-liberalism that was at the heart of the Reagan-Thatcher-Douglas economic revolution. Instead, they have by ignorance, intention, or cowardice, fallen into the progressive Keynesian dogma that the only way to stimulate an economy is by boosting demand.

    In fact, the milquetoast offerings of National are a window into their soul – and it is disappointing viewing.
    Sums up the National Party exactly which is why we need 20 ACT MP’s.

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    • In an electorate, where National has an overwhelming majority, to vote for the local ACT, will reduce that majority.

      If there is a noticable swing to ACT, then it may, oh maybe, it may make that NAT electorate MP reflect, and perhaps reconsider, if he is hampering ACT, in any legislation, and so also , hopefully, hopefully give cause for them to support more heartily ACT initiatives.

      Sure that is is a sign of an unprincipled candidate, but there is saying, “Fake it until you make it” might help lead them to learn more and perhaps more truly adopt some ACT principles.

      Every angle has to be used.
      The loss of an electorate seat, if it goes to Labour, will simply mean, one less from the Labour list.
      National will then gain one from their list, so the proportions stay the same as per Party Vote,

      The message may get through in particular to the local National Party, and their delegates to look more effectively at National Party policies.

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      • The real problem is that every party vote for National is worth 1/3 of what it could be worth if it was given to Act.

        Look at the last election and compare how many party votes it took to get one Green list seat and how many party votes it costs for each National list seat.

        The only thing that matters is the proportionality. If National won ZERO electorate seats but 52% of the vote nationally, they’d have a majority no matter how many seats the rest totalled up – overhang seats would be added to retain proportionality. It’s a system that favours socialism (who can’t talk anyone outside of the inner city ghettos to vote for them)

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    • Viking. I was discussing this with my boarder yesterday.
      I would like to know who is advising National because as you say the boosting demand and to hell with the consequences , appears to be the approach of all the Nats along with all eggs in one basket trade with China.
      Mike Reddell has explained why NZ productivity has fallen over the years and yet I have seen no MP taking note of his advice ,preferring goodness knows whoever it is to formulate economic policy.
      Unfortunately I see Act also pursuing this mass immigration, demand creating approach as well.

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      • ACT are open about immigration, but it is the one thing that really sticks in my craw.
        It needs to be pointed out, that good reasoning, further debate and discussion needs to happen.

        Though National, Labour, New Zealand First, Greens, just keep doing it, and seem to keep it hush, hush.
        Know them by their actions.

        For me the policy has too much glib, global compliance speak.
        https://www.act.org.nz/immigration

        Sure I accept there needs to be a balance, but I feel NZ has been pushed by the “superdiversity” concepts of Spoonley and many of that ilk, that inherently gains an inertia to ongoing mindlessly increasing for those “diverse” communities already here.

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        • “Though National, Labour, New Zealand First, Greens, just keep doing it, and seem to keep it hush, hush.”
          Let’s look at the support for the parties (source: Curia poll)
          National 28.9%
          Labour 57.5%
          Green 5.6%
          NZ First 2.7%
          That’s a total of 94.7% support for parties (the four above) who favor large-scale immigration.

          New Zealanders sure seem happy to flush their cultural identity with a never-ending stream of new cultures and ideas. I hope it all works out for the best. I really do.

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          • Winston Peters was right, NZers want this.
            Get the UN Global Migration Pact signed. 🙁

            The immigrants, that came to America, gave off the impression that those immigrants wanted to be American!
            When they had children, it was also supported by the parents, to become American.
            Sure they may have some different cuisine, celebrated differing festivals, weddings in a different style, and kept some cultural attributes, but were at home, to become American.

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      • There is a small start. Goldsmith has said that new plant up to $150k will be able to ne written of straight away. I personally would have been happy with 5 years and a higgher threshold. It means companies can invest and stop being gutted by taxation in doing so. Would not want it applied to utes and cars at all. No beed for that.
        Its easy to invest 150k in new plant and that’s what makes productivity. Instead we all “manage” what we buy rather than picking the best hence we buy a lot of second rate Chinese instead for first rate gear from other countries and we don’t support cufficiently the development of new plant internally.
        Of course efficient new plant means often less labour so that negates all the wage effects in a productive way.
        Covid has pushed that along with so many businessess learning not to fly here and there and working better from home etc.
        Still, there is a lot more that can be done. Reducing company tax rates would be good. The USA is 21%.
        Charter Schools, i.e. removing the union and allowing people to make theior own choices. Removing subsidies and cross-subsidization of bus companies and so many Govt. and council handouts.
        There’s a long list.
        Depreciation is a good start though.
        And then there is the RMA. which I fear will not change for the better as long as Smith remains. Things like dope and end of life are just too radical for the God botherers that make up National so they will do as they have always done either water it down or do nothing. They are cowards in general.

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    • There may or may not be something in the ideology argument Viking, but I make 2 points.

      1. Rightly or wrongly Key took National to the centre as he saw that as the only way to win. Given he never had a big majority in each of the 3 terms he was basically correct.

      2. Up until Covid and the associated propaganda onslaught National were doing OK. As I have said a few time,s the fear that has been generated by the propaganda has seen a significant number of National supporters go to Labour –these people were with National for 11 years. I do not think ideology or lack of it had anything to do with the change.

      Having said that I will be party voting ACT this time(after decades voting for National ) largely because of the stand on the Zero carbon Act, their weak approach to challenging the Government on the Covid BS and good policies from ACT. They should have called out Hendy on his 60,000 deaths if we do nothing but 10,000 if we act quickly ( this is not hindsight on my part, I wrote to Bridges the day after the article appeared in the newspaper) , equally they should not have stopped campaigning at the time –Ardern went into overdrive at that time.

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      • Given that the majority of voters are left of centre, it made sense for Key to go after the middle/left voters. Now with Act gaining daily in the polls, National can use this to their advantage by saying any agreement with ACT will be the reason for their lurch to the right after the election.
        Yes I am confident we will have a change of Government and it is good that ACT policy will be to the fore. I can forsee them getting at least 10 -15 % come election time.

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        • I hope you are right about the change of Govt. Ed and I agree ACT has momentum now but whether they get 10-15% is another matter (10% maybe). I think people are just starting to wake up about party votes and as others are now saying, a party vote for National in a strong National electorate is a waste, much better to go ACT.

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  10. Green Party candidate Teanau Tuiono​ did the same, drawing on his experience working for the United Nations to explain how big issues can impact locally.

    He got to hear moderator Fraser Greig​ coin a new term for a Greens candidate wanting the party and electorate vote – being “Swarbricked” – and elicited some of the largest rounds of applause from what appeared to be a mainly left-leaning audience.

    haha nice one.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300117565/election-2020-palmerston-north-candidates-show-passion-but-will-that-get-them-to-parliament
    Being Green does come with risks, though. He had a limp due to twisting his ankle after coming off a bicycle.
    😆 😆

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  11. Solar panels and LED lighting are to be installed at the Beehive as the Government takes action to cut its carbon footprint.

    Climate Change Minister James Shaw made the announcement on Friday afternoon.

    Shaw said solar panels will be installed to improve energy efficiency.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/122875386/parliament-to-install-solar-panels-in-bid-to-cut-carbon-climate-minister-announces

    Going hard as they can to get the money spent before the election.

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    • So it’s going to cost ove 2 million!
      When’s break even time?
      Oh that’s right, because Jimmy two mums didn’t say, we can expect never!
      It’s a vanity project!

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      • I think break-even time for domestic solar panels is something ridiculous like 15 years. Think of all the fun things you could’ve done with that money in the interim.

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  12. Still to get her nomination passed by the Senate with the Dems making it as difficult as possible.

    Donald Trump appoints Amy Coney Barrett to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg as Supreme Court Justice
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/09/donald-trump-appoints-amy-coney-barrett-to-replace-ruth-bader-ginsburg-as-supreme-court-justice.html

    Barrett appeared at the White House with Trump as he made the announcement.

    “Today it is my honor to nominate one of our nation’s most brilliant and gifted legal minds to the Supreme Court,” Trump said.

    Turning to Barrett, Trump said that “you are very eminently qualified for the job.” She and her lawyer husband have seven children, two of whom were adopted from Haiti, and they joined her at the ceremony in the White House Rose Garden.

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    • The Republicans control the Senate, so they should pass the President’s nomination of Barrett.

      (I wonder how long before Barrett is attacked by the Left for being a “racist”?)

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    • Best thing about Barret is she is a conservative Catholic. Now I don’t necesarrily support Conservative Catholics, but this will have the Dems in full banshee mode. Trump sure knows how to play the game……

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      • How come she was approved with unanimous support for her last appointment to the appeals court in 2017, but not good enough now. Trump knows exactly what he is doing by her appointment.

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  13. The Leaders’ Debate – the gift that keeps on giving

    Covid Cindy’s massive own goal – talking about farmers mental health as something from the past is running and running and running.

    Thinly (only thing that’s thin about him) disguised Labour operative and Twitter troll – Neale Jones has been whining like a Jumbo Jet full of poms landing at Heathrow about the memes that have been flying around about how much Cindy hates farmers.

    There is a veritable lake of salty liberal tears from him about how unfair it all is and how it was taken out of context and how Cindy was mis-quoted. He’s even upset now that he’s complained to teacher and teacher (FB) hasn’t censored memes about Cindy’s idiotic statement. Boo fucking hoo.

    At the same time, he’s been whining about how unfair it is that everyone is trusting JAG at her word that the Greens will only support Labour if they break all their “no taxes” promises. Apparently NJ thinks she “mis-spoke” and that she really meant it was just something they wanted to talk about (thinking of a Tui ad).

    If that was the case the moronic Yank would have apologised, retracted the statement and said she was totally wrong.

    But that hasn’t happened so now we know the Greens want to tax everything out of existence.

    The Left hate it when the tactics they use against everyone else is turned around and used against them – and when it happens they look for an authority figure to “force” censorship. What a fucked up childish philosophy socialism is.

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    • I cant see it will vote shift in any way.
      The lefties that hate farmers will continue to do so.
      The supermarket to them is like a magical kingdom where food and tin foil just magically manifests itself.

      The only gain is to have a geezer like Neale Jones all wound up.
      Maybe he is also bound up and cant poo 🙂
      That is a win.
      Not in votes.
      But his distress is satisfaction enough 🙂

      I never heard of him before this week and given my aversion to NZ low grade media crap that is no surprise.
      I see:-
      “Neale has previously worked in senior campaign and communication roles in New Zealand and the United Kingdom in the NGO sector and the trade union movement.”

      This gives me great pleasure to see that he is pained.
      Very similar profile to fellow moron Phail Twyford :- Journalism/PR , unions, NGO.

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      • NJ was Andrew Little’s Chief of Staff when he was so unpopular he had to stand down. In large part you’d have to say the Chief of Staff had a big role in helping Little become forever known as “Angry Andy”.

        NJ was also Cindy’s Chief of Staff during the beginning. Again, he’s probably the genius behind how badly she managed the child youth rape and “it wasn’t me, it was the pardeee” routine, same for the cover-up about the violent sexual abuser in Cindy’s office. If the Chief of Staff doesn’t know who the person was then who does? Given his foray into PR now, maybe he came up with the line about “I didn’t know about the violent sexual abuse until I read about it in the Spinoff”.

        Quite the track record and now all this boo hoo after the Leaders’ debate.

        You can bet the next two debates will be properly loaded against Judith and Cindy will have gotten all the questions in advance to make sure there isn’t such an embarrassing failure again. Gotcha questions for Judith and patsy ones for cindy. People in TVNZ will have had fingers wagged at them and reminders about what $50 million should be worth.

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        • There were no unexpected questions anyway, or is Jacinda so unused to being ‘questioned’ that it came as a surprise?

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          • No one in the media except Mike Hosking has held her to account and even then she has wriggled off the hook by delaying until “I have that information”

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  14. The Taxpayer’s Union has revealed that the singer Tami Nielson got a 20k taxpayer-funded ‘Covid grant’ from the Government.
    This is the woman who was dancing around on stage singing about how great Jacinda was at the Labour Party campaign launch!

    Honestly- This is rotten to the fucking core!!!!

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  15. But two years on, there is still no strategy. Te Rōpū has been disbanded. There has been no community consultation. Last month, Logie announced there would be no document before the election.
    Logie said in hindsight, the deadline the Government gave itself was just too tight.

    “It would have been short for a standard process for a strategy let alone one where we are trying to partner and build trust and collaboration and set up an entirely new way of working in government,” she said.

    “But when we started to write about addressing colonisation and institutionalised violence and putting that in a strategy, they couldn’t cope.”

    She said when the draft eventually came back to the group, it had been completely watered down.

    “You can imagine our response to that,” Kapua said. “You know, some people on interim Te Rōpū have been in this sector for 30 years … we didn’t in our wildest dreams think that we would get this push back.”

    The ministers involved included the Minister for Justice Andrew Little, Minister for Social Welfare Carmel Sepuloni, Te Puni Kokiri minister Nanaia Mahuta and Minister for Children Tracey Martin.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300116850/strategy-to-transform-family-violence-written-off-as-too-mori

    Another jacinda fail that has yet to get the publicity.

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    • And prey tell what that shit means? Te Ropu?
      What’s bushy bloody grass things got to do with it?
      You could not even wipe your arse with them when caught short down the
      back of the farm.

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    • ….. Justice Minister Andrew Little said his problem with the document wasn’t that it was “too Māori” but that it was not fit for purpose. …..
      .
      ….. If Labour was re-elected, the strategy would be a “day one job”, Little said. “We’d call in justice officials and say, ‘get it done.’”….

      Trust us, vote for us, as ‘we’ will do this again, but it will be better, more successful. yeah right. 🙁

      What was the definition of stupid? repeating it again, more money, more officials, believing there will be a different and better out come.

      Then there are the voters for Obama, twice. Dan Andrews, twice.
      NZ voters ? ?

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  16. Slew of single-use plastics to go by 2025 if Labour elected to govern

    Polystyrene, cotton buds and some plastic cups may soon be a thing of the past if the Labour Party is voted back into government.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/slew-single-use-plastics-go-2025-if-labour-elected-govern

    Today’s policy announcement by Labour leader Jacinda Ardern and spokesperson for the environment David Parker marks the next step in the party’s effort to curb plastic pollution.

    “New Zealanders are proud of our clean and green reputation and Labour is committed to taking the next steps to protect our environment from the harm of plastic waste,” said Ardern.

    Under the scheme, a $50 million fund would be established to aid in efforts to develop environmentally sustainable alternatives for businesses in New Zealand while also providing new opportunities for manufacturers.

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    • Bugger you keep doing this to me. I see a “I must post this issue” scroll down to the botton of the page with out reading the posts above, post ground breaking story, … and scroll up to see that Waikato girl has done exactly the same. Ah well. It must be in the water in this part of the world….

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      • Again… just posting taxpayer funded policies reported by the msm For Your Info. Do with it what you will 🤤

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  17. Good. This migh piss a few of the luvvies off. Lets see what else we can suggest they ban to ensure no one votes for them?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300117529/election-2020-labour-would-ban-plastic-cutlery-apple-stickers-and-throwaway-coffee-cups-by-2025

    How about Freedon of speech?
    The right to drive a petrol car.
    The right to choose what type of house we live in.
    The type an amount of furniture.
    The clothes we wear – look at fucking North Korea – and hair styles.

    You know you can do it, you Fucking Commie Bitch…..

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  18. Whats the tally so far of beaten to death maori babies? Averaging one or 2 a week maybe? Are they still throwing them into clothes driers? Breaking their little arms and legs? Throwing them headfirst against the wall?
    They are a disgraceful race of people. Yeah yeah..whitey does the same…sometimes, but not in the numbers that maori do. Its a national disgrace and has been going on for too long. Whatcha got to say Jackson? How about you Davis? Coffee? Davidson? Pricks, the lot of you.

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    • Colonisation. Maoris were peace-loving, kumara-eating basket weavers before whitey came along and fucked everything up. Whitey must pay for this in perpetuity.

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  19. Off topic..but Im looking to do some housesitting in the north island from about October 10th through to the end of the year. Pets are no problem. Gardens maintained. Can be anywhere as I dont work. Does anyone know of a good website that deals with this sort of thing? Ta much [smiley inserted]

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  20. This whole Covid issue continues to be shown up as a massive scam in terms of the size of the issue being portrayed. (yes, the virus is serious for those who can be affected but perspective on the size of the problem was lost months ago)

    Look at this .
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/huge-cdc-faucis-niaid-add-non-pneumonia-deaths-us-covid-19-totals-unlike-countries-deaths-removed-us-86000-covid-19-deaths/

    Basically if the US followed the WHO guide lines for “classifying” deaths, as Singapore does, the total for the USA would be around 86,000 for Covid , not much higher than the flu death total for last year.

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  21. Earth’s magnetic field is waning in line with both a Grand Solar Minimum and a Magnetic Pole Shift — these two independently occurring factors drastically reduce Earth’s magnetic field strength, the major upshots of which include: a) an influx of atmospheric Cosmic Rays meaning increased cloud nucleation as well as a heating of the muons in silica-rich magma which triggers large-scale volcanic eruptions; and b) outbursts from the Sun

    https://electroverse.net/another-crack-just-opened-in-earths-magnetic-field/

    https://electroverse.net/earth-is-about-to-enter-a-mini-ice-age-robert-felix/

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  22. I did not watch Q&A as the Labour Hack known as the sewer was unsuccessfully trying to defend their fuked up Child Povery.

    I trust she is seeking advice from her double dipping mother in all matters pertaining to honesty and child welfare. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

    Labour has form for parents who are crooks as another one is sweet cheeks whose father did time for flogging clients funds…..

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  23. A priest walks into a pub and orders a pint of Guinness.
    “There you go,” says the barman.” but I warn you we don’t tolerate any religious conversation in this pub.”
    “Far be it from me,” replies the priest. “In fact, I bet you a drink that you mention religion before I do.”
    “You’re on,” says the barman.
    So the priest sips at his pint, plays a couple of records on the juke box, goes to the loo, comes back and flops his cock out on the bar.
    “Jesus Christ!” says the barman.
    “Thank you,” says the priest. “I’ll have a large scotch.”

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  24. Critical Race Theory
    Any see the guy interviewed on ‘Outsiders’ about this.? Christopher Rufo

    Our public service is infected with this formulation.

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    • (a cut-and-paste)

      Critical Race Theory…
      – believes racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction and therefore has its advocates look for it everywhere
      – relies upon “interest convergence” (white people only give black people opportunities and freedoms when it is also in their own interests) and therefore doesn’t trust any attempt to make racism better
      – is against free societies and wants to dismantle them and replace them with something that advocates control
      – only treats race issues as “socially constructed groups,” so there are no individuals in Critical Race Theory
      – believes science, reason, and evidence are a “white” way of knowing and that storytelling and lived experience is a “black” alternative, which hurts everyone, especially black people
      – rejects all potential alternatives, like colorblindness, as forms of racism, making itself the only allowable game in town (which is totalitarian)
      – acts like anyone who disagrees with it must do so for racist and white supremacist reasons, even if those people are black (which is also totalitarian)
      – cannot be satisfied, so it becomes a kind of activist black hole that threatens to destroy everything it is introduced into

      The list above that focuses on “white” and “black” is a US-centric view and somewhat insulting to Indian and Far Eastern cultures that also value science, reason, and evidence.

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    • This is quite possible the single most important video to have been published on this whole Covid scam. Since it undoubtedly applies equally to New Zealand it could and should ensure that Labour’s utterly disasterous policy of wrecking our economy for no good reason will mean they are unelectable in a couple of weeks time. Will that happen though? I’m not going to hold my breath.

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    • Admittedly I like to cross my t’s and dot my i’s just to be absolutely sure, with those back ground links, to put them up as total unquestionably bonafide and then can be properly tested in a court of law.
      To verify we are using the same tests, and are tests in the “best before date” and is there a difference between batches? I am suspicious of the source of tests, if being from China.

      The next thing is some one goes to court over over this and use those figures!
      However this is done or why? whatever for, costs, damages, false arrest, summons, fines, a challenge to health bureaucracy etc…

      Then get this done like a so called Judicial recount, just like verifying the eligibility of each voter and for only one vote, and the vote done in the prescribed way and passes muster to be counted or disallowed.

      Just like in school, years ago, showing the long workings out of basic “long” division, so any error can be seen, and why it is an error.
      Science demands that theories etc, need peer review and enough of the workings out, so that things should be able to be replicated.

      It seems much in different ways keep ducking out, and can only be explained by experts, like priests, imams, or times of old in latin, arabic, to be even literate brought freedom! 🙂
      Governments are as bad as the old time churches trying to gain more power and control.
      Worse they do not have to even answer to Buddha, Vishnu, Jesus, or any such holistic writings.

      Being court based should give it full impartial calculation, plus a ruling that transparently shows the calculations, with enough authority to cut through all the other nonsense.

      Then no part of government can hide it, and should be able to be published with simple explanations, graphs etc…

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    • Thank you Alice. I would also urge people to read this link which was under the video that Alice linked.

      https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

      We all desperately need some eager lawyers (worldwide) to latch onto all this and start suing a few people, organisations and even Governments.

      PS. Sorry Simpleton1. I was obviously typing when you posted so I have repeated some of what you wrote.

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      • Ross12 No problem.
        Some things are worth repeating, and nice to see parallel thinking.
        Some times it highlights, and is like a tag match, backing things up, and perhaps extending another perspective for someone else that may read this.

        It is one hell of a hole that has been dug by the CCP virus, and looks like a quagmire of a swamp to get the world out of it.
        Health Emergency laws, if can be broken and also drained with the Climate Change Emergency Laws, that are not far away, that are also looking to harmonize into a “double Judy” even greater disaster.

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    • ……”Just storing it is a pain in the arse”……

      Have mercy. Hydrogen is green & Greens are not very bright. They probably think that it’s stored in renewable jute bags until it’s needed to power a train.

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      • Diatomic hydrogen does not naturally occur. It is a lousy medium for storing energy (for the reasons mentioned in rightoverlabour’s link). Ammonia (NH3) would make a better fuel.

        Practical fusion power would be nice, but it’s always 20 years into the future, and has been since the 1960s.

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  25. HUGE! CDC and Fauci’s NIAID Add Non-Pneumonia Deaths to US COVID-19 Totals Unlike Other Countries! — If These Deaths are Removed US Has 86,000 COVID-19 Deaths

    For months doctors and investigative journalists have wondered why state coronavirus death counts include motorcycle accidents, homicides, birth defects, gunshot wounds and thousands of intentional injuries and poisonings to the US Coronavirus death totals.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/huge-cdc-faucis-niaid-add-non-pneumonia-deaths-us-covid-19-totals-unlike-countries-deaths-removed-us-86000-covid-19-deaths/

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    • Nothing will beat our precious mad queen and her death by suicide totals from her caring and sympathetic policy of lockdown for what is just a flu epidemic.

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  26. Anti-lockdown protesters clash with police after at least 15,000 gathered against virus restrictions in Trafalgar Square – while a QUARTER of UK population is put under some form of lockdown – and conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn addresses crowd

    Demonstrators ditched their masks and ignored social distancing as they shouted ‘we will win’ and waved flags, before police shut them down because crowds ‘have not complied with the conditions of their risk assessment’.

    Trafalgar Square has a maximum capacity of 20,000 people and photographs showed crowds almost filling the area as they stood shoulder to shoulder to protest against Britain’s increasingly stricter lockdown rules.

    In contrast, last month’s protests had around half today’s turn-out – at around 10,000 people.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775451/At-15-000-people-cram-Trafalgar-Square-Not-Consent-rally-against-lockdown.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

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    • The reason that woman in the picture “fell to the ground” was because she was hit full force in the face by one of those police thugs. The video was posted on Twitter earlier. Absolutely shameful behaviour by the politicized police, government thugs.

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    • “conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn”
      Guys actually a well respected expert on Meteorology, and anti -AGW activist so of course the media calls him a Conspiracy Theorist because why?
      He goes against their Religion of Warming CO2 caused Climate Change horse shit.
      2 trillion dollars last year poured into this world wide con job, ask yerself what a mediocre scientist wouldn’t do for that kinda funding

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  27. Belgium Health Experts Demand Investigation Of WHO For Faking Coronavirus Pandemic
    (2 sources.)

    Medical Doctors and Health Professionals of Belgium have written an open letter to authorities demanding the investigation of WHO for creating coronavirus infodemic faking the pandemic. The following letter has made an impact on public health authorities not only in Belgium but around the world. The text could pertain to any case in which states locked down their citizens rather than allow people freedom and permit medical professionals to bear the primary job of disease mitigation.

    https://greatgameindia.com/belgium-who-investigation-coronavirus/

    https://goachronicle.com/belgium-health-experts-demand-investigations-into-the-role-of-who-in-an-open-letter/

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  28. NZ Election 2020: ACT Party rise reflects recognition of ‘what’s occurring out there in New Zealand’ – candidate Nicole McKee
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-act-party-rise-reflects-recognition-of-what-s-occurring-out-there-in-new-zealand-candidate-nicole-mckee.html

    ACT candidate and prominent gun advocate Nicole McKee says the party’s rise is due to Kiwis recognising “what’s occurring out there in New Zealand” – and is not just on the back of former NZ First voters turning to them.

    McKee believes ACT is collecting support due to the party’s stance on freedom. She believes New Zealanders are realising they’re losing “a lot of their freedoms”.

    “It’s really exciting to actually watch this growth and I think it’s more than just taking potential votes from the likes of NZ First,” she told Magic Talk’s Road to the Election host Mitch McCann. “I think that you’re seeing a bit of a change in the way that people are recognising what’s occurring out there in New Zealand.

    “There’s a whole lot of stuff there that’s been taken away and the bigger parties have not been standing up for those rights, whereas ACT has been consistently doing so.”

    ~~

    David Seymour’s response to Labour’s announcement today to ban a whole slew of useful plastic including plastic cutlery is that a whole pile of kiwis would tell them to “fork off”. 👏😂

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    • “Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      This is an opportunity for ACT to show ordinary New Zealand voters how voting for more freedom is better for them than voting for Labour or the Greens who go on about more “equity,” “social justice,” and “equality.”

      Can ACT effectively communiate this point to the voters?

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      • “Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”

        Thank you Sensei for this quote. I will use this.

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  29. I said to hubby last night when the wind was howling that this weather has been forecast for some days but there will be someone who will be oblivious and need rescuing. Sadly for this mountaineering woman it has not ended well.

    Woman falls to her death while climbing Mount Ruapehu

    A person has fallen to their death while climbing along the side of Mount Ruapehu yesterday.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/woman-falls-her-death-while-climbing-mount-ruapehu

    However, due to the high winds, a rescue helicopter wasn’t able to be deployed so Land Search and Rescue teams were sent in.

    The climbers were eventually reached at 5.40pm.

    The woman was carried via stretcher to Tukino Lodge but was pronounced dead on arrival.

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      • Not sure that ot was forcast for this area. Rotorua for example didn’t have any wind on Saturday the day of the round the Lake Mararthon.

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  30. NZ Election 2020: David Seymour slams Labour Party’s policy to phase out single-use plastics
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-david-seymour-slams-labour-party-s-policy-to-phase-out-single-use-plastics.html

    “This is classic Labour Party policy. There will be no problem definition or cost-benefit analysis.”

    Seymour believes Labour has introduced “counterproductive” environmental policies while it has been in Government that will “hurt the planet”.

    “It banned plastic bags, but the alternatives are worse. It banned oil and gas exploration, and now we’re importing Indonesian coal.”

    “The Government’s political response to environmental issues is if in doubt, regulate. However, the solutions to many of our environmental problems are innovation.”

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  31. Germany’s Minister of Economic Cooperation and Development, Gerd Muller, has warned that lockdown measures throughout the globe will end up killing more people than the Coronavirus itself.

    In an interview with German newspaper Handelsblatt, Muller warned that the response to the global pandemic has resulted in “one of the biggest” hunger and poverty crises in history.

    Muller warned that further damage will be done if draconian measures continue to be enacted by governments.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/german-minister-admits-lockdown-will-kill-more-covid-19-does

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  32. DictatorDan has lifted the 8pm-5am curfew.
    Fines of up to $5K are still in place if you gather in groups.
    Socialism still providing the pressure on the throat.
    What a fucking miserable bastard he is.

    https://twitter.com/AussieVal10/status/1310050570535747584

    Brett Sutton the CHO thinks NOW, would be a good time to look at Victorias Charter, regarding human rights.
    Another miserable low life.
    https://twitter.com/AussieVal10/status/1310051355805978625

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  33. Earth quake then long roll 4:48

    Sun Sep 27 2020 4:47 PM
    Magnitude: 5.4
    Depth: 14 km
    40 km south-west of Taumarunui

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    • I see geo net has done some adjustment

      Moderate earthquake
      Sun Sep 27 2020 4:47 PM
      Magnitude: 5.2
      Depth: 23 km
      45 km south-west of Taumarunui

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  34. Labour MP bites back against claims they failed to deliver on child poverty in Government

    Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni has defended efforts of the Labour-led government to combat the country’s damning child poverty statistics.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-mp-bites-back-against-claims-they-failed-deliver-child-poverty-in-government?auto=6194874641001

    “It’s too early to tell how the current government has done on child poverty but I think it’s fair to say that to a certain extent, they have over promised and under delivered,” spokesperson Janet McAllister said.

    However, Sepuloni has fired back, noting the government has helped to see 18,000 children lifted out of poverty since they have been in Parliament.

    She said they had taken “very serious steps” towards reducing the level of children living in poverty throughout New Zealand but it was a long process for reaching significant change.

    However, National Party spokesperson for social development Louise Upston criticised the Government’s inability to maintain their promise of lifting 100,000 children out of poverty by this year, as set out in their 2017 policy announcement.

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  35. Infiltration not invasion.

    Fabian Society Emblem – Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing

    “The Fabian Society is a very old group originating in England in 1884, with the purpose of forming a single, global socialist state. They get their name from the Roman general Fabius, who used carefully planned strategies to slowly wear down his enemies over a long period of time to obtain victory. “Fabian Socialism” uses incremental change over a long period of time to slowly transform a state as opposed to using violent revolution for change. It is essentially socialism by stealth.

    https://safenetforum.org/t/fabian-society-emblem-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/22141

    Can Ardern be the pivot to the next era?
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/can-ardern-be-pivot-next-era

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    • ““The Fabian Society is a very old group originating in England in 1884, with the purpose of forming a single, global socialist state….”

      It’s rather arrogant and authoritarian of the Fabian Society to decide what is best for the society that nurtured it.

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  36. Yes/No? Reed Research has Labour winning in latest poll.

    Judith Collins won’t stand down if National loses as Newshub-Reid Research poll shows voters still prefer Jacinda Ardern
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-judith-collins-won-t-stand-down-if-national-loses-as-newshub-reid-research-poll-shows-voters-still-prefer-jacinda-ardern.html

    Judith Collins says she will not stand down as leader if National loses the election.

    Collins was fending off the bad poll blues on Sunday as the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll shows National is on 29.6 percent up 4.5 points.

    “We’re getting a very good vibe on the ground,” she told Newshub.

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    • The gap will shrink as the election nears. Another factor largely ignored in the build-up to the current election is the “shy Tory factor” which has shown that up to 4% of voters are bullied by socialists into hiding their intentions until they reach the safety of the polling booth.

      My prediction is that the Mad Queen will have skid marks on her unmentionables until the final count.

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    • I’m resigning myself to a Labour win. I can’t believe National would come up with a winning policy like the tax cuts, and then fuck it up by not getting the numbers right. Not good enough. To be shown the ropes by Alf’s wife, really sits you on your arse. Bill English must be rolling his eyes. Shit, Simon Bridges had the Nats on 46% prior to Covid. WTF. We’re going to get the govt we deserve. Prepare to be reamed to oblivion. By a party that thinks banning stickers on apples constitutes policy in the midst of an economic crisis.

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      • …..” To be shown the ropes by Alf’s wife, really sits you on your arse”…….

        Agreed, yet aside from the political tragics who comment on these forums I doubt that anyone will notice sufficiently for it to make a pennyworth’s of difference. Today’s floating voters are more influenced by important factors such as the party’s attitude to refugees, climate change & other feel good crap.

        Balancing the books is boring. //

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      • Incredibly Cindy and Grant have said the recession is over and the economy will grow at an incredible 13% even with their belief that SMEs need to navigate government sticking their oar in with even more regulations! They’re DREAMING!!

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        • Said it before..its a deadcat bounce. The next quarters figure will make your arse pucker and bring tears to your eyes. Guaranteed.
          Robbo enjoys that sort of thing.

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    • I do not recall a poll giving Labour 60.8% and National 25.1% because that is what it says when you look at the changes. But if it is correct then a 10 point drop for Labour and a 4.5 point increase for National is not a good trend for Ardern is it ?

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  37. Act v Greens, different ends of the political spectrum, not likely to both be attractive to the same voters.

    Newshub-Reid Research poll: Greens and ACT fighting for third place as New Zealand First’s voter base gets gobbled up
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/newshub-reid-research-poll-greens-and-act-fighting-for-third-place-as-new-zealand-first-s-voter-base-gets-gobbled-up.html

    There’s been a seismic vote switch in the minor parties with New Zealand First voters flocking to ACT, which is now fighting with the Greens for third place in Parliament.

    New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has fought 16 general elections, and despite Newshub’s latest poll showing his party might not make it back to Parliament, he told Newshub he’s feeling confident.

    “You’re going to look stupid on election night, that’s the feeling I’m getting,” he said on Sunday.

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  38. How corruption at the highest level works.

    A 2010 vid of Bush, Clinton, Obama asking for for Haiti earthquake relief cash which sadly Haiti never seen

    https://twitter.com/45HarisonHarold/status/1309202805224353795
    One tweet below this:

    Former Pres of Haiti, Bernard Sansaricq, accuses Bill Clinton of attempting to BRIBE him by offering to make him “the RICHEST MAN IN HAITI” for helping cover up the 2010 earthquake relief fraud by #ClintonFoundation where BILLIONS were stolen.

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  39. Judith goes shopping to help the economy.

    Judith Collins defends Paul Goldsmith despite claims he made a tax take error

    National leader Judith Collins is standing by finance spokesperson Paul Goldsmith despite additional claims he made errors when calculating the party’s tax take.
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/judith-collins-defends-paul-goldsmith-despite-claims-he-made-tax-take-error?auto=6194940003001

    “I think if he’d had Treasury advice, it would’ve been easier for him to get those figures right,” Seymour said.

    Labour leader Jacinda Ardern said Collins should take responsibility.

    “They have a lot of explaining to do and I do believe as leader of the National Party, that that job should be up to Judith Collins,” Ardern said.

    Despite the criticism, Collins was standing solid with Goldsmith.

    “There was one error, and the rest of it is simply a different name for something. It’s been explained by economists and, you know, it’s just typical from the Labour Party,” she said.

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    • They should be complaining to their consultant economists NZIER (?) –it should be part of their role to make sure the numbers are right.

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  40. Conservative view……everything God & I don’t like must be banned.

    Socialist view……everything I like is a human right & must be paid for by others.

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      • Hubby watches a digger operator in North Carolina on UT. He was clear felling trees on a future retail site just off a busy road. There was not a road cone, work signs or stop/go man in sight. Nothing! If it was NZ there would be a whole safety squad of regulations to provide and pay for. We are over regulated and hamstrung with regulations and fees.

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  41. From one who has lived and breathed the challenge of communism/socialism to conservatism, weighing up liberalism.
    Sort of a heavy long read, as he knows his stuff, keeping out of EU clutches so far.
    .
    21st September 2010 Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán :-
    ….The doctrine that “democracy can only be liberal” – that golden calf, that monumental fetish – has been toppled.
    Now we only need to wait for the dust to settle and we will not only know it, but also see it.
    It seems that conservative and Christian democratic parties and political movements can finally escape from the deadly embrace of the liberals.
    From whatever heights they are declared, statements such as “there is no such thing as illiberal democracy” are now being recorded in the book of political stupidity.
    Conservative political thinkers have finally summoned up courage, and are using a clarity of thought which even surpasses the elegance of mathematical reasoning to prove that liberalism and conservatism represent two irreconcilable positions in political theory.
    They have shown the flaws in the arguments of those who want to drag conservatism into the big tent of liberalism.
    To put it kindly, errors are committed by those who claim that the separation of the branches of power, civil and political freedoms, the protection of private property and governance within boundaries – meaning the rule of law – can only be conceived within the intellectual confines of liberalism, and can only be implemented through liberal democracy.
    Of course we also know Hungarians who have solved this puzzle, but have realised how much more pleasant it is to gather pats on the back in Brussels and friendly smiles of acknowledgement in lukewarm liberal salons than to huddle like black sheep at home in Budapest.
    A slightly sickening sensation in one’s stomach does not seem such a high price to pay. …….
    .
    …… The only chance for Christian democracy is if it engages in an open intellectual and political fight.
    If it stops prevaricating, and stops acting like a numbskull who fails to see or understand what is going on.
    If it stands up for itself and articulates the four statements that can change the whole of European politics:
    our basic national and Christian principles are not liberal;
    they came into being before liberalism;
    they stand in opposition to liberalism;
    today liberalism is destroying them. ……

    http://abouthungary.hu/speeches-and-remarks/pm-orban-in-magyar-nemzet-together-we-will-succeed-again/

    Interesting perspective, and noting elections are in 2022, and can he keep the lead, to keep Brussels collective concepts out.
    Others in Hungary feel that liberal temptation, to join in with Brussels.

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    • The argument has ceased to be “liberal”* vs conservative……it is now “liberal” vs nationalism.

      ( *Only applies to the Yank interpretation of liberal which equals socialism as we would term it.)

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  42. A good little round up of the shenanigans of the Victoria government.

    “Victoria is now the welfare state due to ‘scandalously stupid’ Andrews decisions”
    https://youtu.be/fEfxw2kVBNo
    4 min 17 sec. : • Sep 26, 2020 “outsiders” “Sky News Australia

    A pity a “Royal Inquiry” was not started in NZ?
    Accountability of the billions needs to looked at.

    Just who is responsibility as this CoL is slippery slime, and wants to merge other agendas into this “Emergency” bio-security, that can easily slide across to “Emergency” for climate change, with its “hate speech laws too.

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